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Re: Cop kills unarmed 17 year old kid. [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #21841155 - 06/22/15 10:15 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

the vast majority, shroomism, koods, akira and moonrockmushie included would all
comply with the cops, they talk a big game about shit they have no idea about but
preach about based on their touchy/feely attitudes and their hate for the cops
but in real life, they wont stand up to the cops and tell those cops what he can
and cannot do and while they can relate all these stories about friends being
shot in the back for just walking away or about their experiences telling a cop
to fuckoff, I wont believe it until I see the video on youtube or read the article
in one of the many news sources that would publish the story


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Re: Cop kills unarmed 17 year old kid. [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #21841173 - 06/22/15 10:22 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

who writes the police report?


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Re: Cop kills unarmed 17 year old kid. [Re: Trichome_Delta9]
    #21841185 - 06/22/15 10:26 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Trichome_Delta9 said:
who writes the police report?





who reports on a story as they wanna regardless of who writes the police reports,
who then takes what ever they see, blows it out of contexts, calls it a murder
regardless of the circumstances and then hangs the cop in the public eye


how many police reports have you read that involved a shooting?


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Re: Cop kills unarmed 17 year old kid. [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #21841192 - 06/22/15 10:29 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

i am not talking about the media and all their ratings they need to boost.

im talking about COPS.


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Re: Cop kills unarmed 17 year old kid. [Re: Trichome_Delta9]
    #21841205 - 06/22/15 10:32 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I have kept my mouth shut in the face of police intimidation plenty of times.  I've never been seriously hurt luckily, but I have had them threaten violence and ridicule me on the side of the street for hours, refusing to let me wear a jacket sitting on concrete handcuffed in below freezing weather, while they tore apart my car because some homeless guy came up to my parked car and asked for a dollar.  They were absolutely convinced they had witnessed a drug deal, which they hadn't.  That's not the only time I have been searched despite my refusal and in none of those cases was I doing anything wrong except having friends that live in poor neighborhoods.

They said if I talked I could have my jacket (what, make up a crime?).  Before that I thought most cops could be reasoned with, and they would respect you on a basic level as long as you respect them, but the ones that do are in the minority, and usually are the ones that you've really got to look out for because when it comes down to it they're all snakes.

There are other times where if I did not maintain my silence I almost certainly have ended up in jail, but that's all I'll say about that.


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Re: Cop kills unarmed 17 year old kid. [Re: moonrockmushy] * 1
    #21841217 - 06/22/15 10:37 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Your learned prejudice to police officers is very similar to learned prejudice to other ethnic groups.

:themoreyouknow:


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Re: Cop kills unarmed 17 year old kid. [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #21841232 - 06/22/15 10:44 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Yeah sure the 4th amendment was written by idiots who have no idea how the world works.  The best way to challenge a corrupt system is to submit and hope that you aren't confused with someone that believes they have inalienable rights.

Show me the statute that says a person must show ID, even when the police cannot articulate reasonable suspicion.  They must have a legitimate reason.




http://www.legislature.mi.gov/%28S%280xvw2o2t3g33z5ya3clpbpvs%29%29/mileg.aspx?page=getObject&objectName=mcl-257-311

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257.311 Possession of operator's or chauffeur's license or receipt when operating motor vehicle required; display; identification.

Sec. 311.

The licensee shall have his or her operator's or chauffeur's license, or the receipt described in section 311a, in his or her immediate possession at all times when operating a motor vehicle, and shall display the same upon demand of any police officer, who shall identify himself or herself as such.




Boom. In most states if you are driving a vehicle and are stopped for any violation, showing your identification to the police officer is a valid order you are legally required to comply with. The police cannot however just randomly pull you over for no reason other than to request your identification.

Now if you are not driving, the law is different. You may well still be legally required to provide your name/address/DOB, but actually having your identification on your person is not necessarily required.

I am not a fan of this police state that we live in, but, and I say this almost sadly, I find myself siding with qman, prisoner #1, and bitter cactus here. This kid was an idiot. According to the DA's investigation, he did not in fact have his drivers license with him. It was left at his girlfriends residence. Had he chosen to calmly inform the officer of this and requested permission to contact his girlfriend and have her bring his license he'd probably still be alive and free today.


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Re: Cop kills unarmed 17 year old kid. [Re: D.M.T]
    #21841237 - 06/22/15 10:45 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Police are an ethnic group now?  That shows about how much sense racism makes, thanks.  I feel like you guys make my points for me.

I'm sure you'll accuse me of twisting your words or something. 

For the record I have nothing against noticing patterns, I just prefer the ones that have evidence to back them up over the shit insecure and overprivliged people come up with to feel good about themselves even though they cannot stand toe-to-toe with another man without quaking in their boots and resorting to disgusting and primitive base violence.


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Re: Cop kills unarmed 17 year old kid. [Re: moonrockmushy] * 1
    #21841256 - 06/22/15 10:52 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Police are an ethnic group now?  That shows about how much sense racism makes, thanks.  I feel like you guys make my points for me.

I'm sure you'll accuse me of twisting your words or something. 

For the record I have nothing against noticing patterns, I just prefer the ones that have evidence to back them up over the shit insecure and overprivliged people come up with to feel good about themselves even though they cannot stand toe-to-toe with another man without quaking in their boots and resorting to disgusting and primitive base violence.




You're prejudice against the profession of law enforcement based on a very small sample of cops you have encountered, so much so that it disables your ability to look at a case like this without heavy biases.

You're also very emotional about this subject matter which is never helpful when discussing a case that is based on details and legalities.


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Re: Cop kills unarmed 17 year old kid. [Re: qman] * 1
    #21841261 - 06/22/15 10:54 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

you have never talked to a cop before if you really think they are not snakes and trying to get you to admit to SOMETHING so they can look like they do their JOB


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Re: Cop kills unarmed 17 year old kid. [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #21841264 - 06/22/15 10:54 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Police are an ethnic group now?  That shows about how much sense racism makes, thanks.  I feel like you guys make my points for me.



You're smarter than that. I know you can see the similarity between experiencing a few bad apples in the police force and applying it to the majority and experiencing a few bad apples in blacks and applying it to the majority.


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Re: Cop kills unarmed 17 year old kid. [Re: D.M.T]
    #21841276 - 06/22/15 10:58 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

cops are cops for money blacks are black because their black.


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Re: Cop kills unarmed 17 year old kid. [Re: Trichome_Delta9]
    #21841278 - 06/22/15 10:58 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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you have never talked to a cop before if you really think they are not snakes and trying to get you to admit to SOMETHING so they can look like they do their JOB



That's because I'm under no obligation to talk to the police. Therefore I do not.


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Re: Cop kills unarmed 17 year old kid. [Re: D.M.T] * 1
    #21841290 - 06/22/15 11:02 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I can see the difference.  One group can be defined, and the other cannot.

Police are public servants who swore an oath to serve the community and uphold the constitution, and blacks are anyone who has dark skin.  Neither implies race or ethnicity.  One is a profession, and one is a relative and subjective judgement made regarding the color of someone's skin.

How does either imply an ethnicity?  You're just trying to illustrate that I am capable of having prejudice?  No shit.  I'm not against the notion of prejudice, I'm against ideologies that place one human being above another on some fundamental level.

You say that you're free from prejudice I'm sure, but when someone brings up some cherry picked statistics or anecdotes regarding "blacks" suddenly you are in fact prejudiced based on race aka a racist.

Yes I am prejudiced against corrupt police.


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Re: Cop kills unarmed 17 year old kid. [Re: Trichome_Delta9] * 1
    #21841297 - 06/22/15 11:05 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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you have never talked to a cop before if you really think they are not snakes and trying to get you to admit to SOMETHING so they can look like they do their JOB




Many cops are forced to over police their own communities, that's a public policy flaw that's been fueled by the "war on drugs".


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Re: Cop kills unarmed 17 year old kid. [Re: qman]
    #21841322 - 06/22/15 11:13 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

when i was younger a kid that went to my school had a dad that was a cop and that was the only cop i have ever known to be a good cop. he didn't try to arrest every kid he caught doing something wrong he actually tried to help them better themselves.

curfew type shit was something he didn't enforce he would just say get home.

dropped a pipe in front of him and he didn't notice i think if he did i don't believe he would have done anything but take it.

so are all cops bastards? no but a GREAT majority of them are just "doing their jobs"


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Re: Cop kills unarmed 17 year old kid. [Re: Trichome_Delta9]
    #21841328 - 06/22/15 11:14 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

First you criticized police for not doing their jobs, now you are commending some for not doing their jobs. Be consistent.

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you have never talked to a cop before if you really think they are not snakes and trying to get you to admit to SOMETHING so they can look like they do their JOB




Quote:

Trichome_Delta9 said:
so are all cops bastards? no but a GREAT majority of them are just "doing their jobs"





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Re: Cop kills unarmed 17 year old kid. [Re: D.M.T] * 1
    #21841347 - 06/22/15 11:22 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

i am for system reform so yeah i stand by what i say.

cops shouldn't TRY to ruin peoples lives.

also things are much more complex than being one sided.

I would never say "we don't need a police force"

we need a reform for sure though.



Edited by Trichome_Delta9 (06/22/15 11:27 AM)


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Re: Cop kills unarmed 17 year old kid. [Re: Trichome_Delta9]
    #21841360 - 06/22/15 11:29 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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i am for system reform so yeah i stand by what i say.

cops shouldn't TRY to ruin peoples lives.




It's the justice system that ruins a lot of peoples lives (for no good reason), cops are just pawns on the board.


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Re: Cop kills unarmed 17 year old kid. [Re: D.M.T]
    #21841361 - 06/22/15 11:29 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I've had many run ins with the police, some more justified than others, including one occasion where I got jumped by 5 guys, tried to defend myself, and then I was the one who got arrested (as I was bleeding on the sidewalk and they refused to take me to the hospital until I started puking up blood in the back of their car)
I've also been blatantly profiled for the way I look before, been randomly stopped and searched...
And somehow despite all of that I've never been shot, and never been convicted... I wonder why that is? Maybe it's because I'm always curteous polite, and co-operative with them.
Some fights just aren't worth fighting. And when the guy has a gun, that's generally one of those times. Most places also have laws that allow a cop to detain you for up to 24 hours before they need to press charges (often for identification purposes) So if you refuse to provide identification and they say they are taking you in, they are completely within their right to do so.


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