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Re: Cop kills unarmed 17 year old kid. [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #21840961 - 06/22/15 08:51 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Did you see the video of the cops not arresting the drunk driving cop I posted earlier?  Why didn't he get tazed is what I want to know?  He got out of the car and approached the officers several times, lied about having a weapon even, but they were patient and did not even touch him.


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Re: Cop kills unarmed 17 year old kid. [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #21840963 - 06/22/15 08:53 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Gresh said:
It amazes me that a 17 year old can be murdered and there is no disseminated information other than a shitty cellphone and bodycam recording

Why did did the officer turn off his body camera after the murder?
why were no pictures of the body taken?
why has there been no autopsy report?


i know i'm repeating myself, but this is bullshit. they are hiding 90% of the information just to protect some piece of shit murderer because he went to a 6-month police acadamy





1. it wasnt murder, it was self defense

2. why are you assuming the cop turned the camera off as opposed to the more
plausible scenario as based on the video, the kid dislodge the camera in the
attack on the cop

3. what makes you believe that no photos were taken of the body, is it because
you dont see the pictures all over the internet, oh well, that doesnt mean shit

4. why do you assume there's been no autopsy, extrapolation from the facts
presented say that an autopsy was performed the fact being that they had found
marijuana in his system in a level with someone that had just smoked weed
within a few hours of his death

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The funniest thing in this thread are the people claiming the cop injured himself with a rock.





"he rubbed a rock on his face to fake the injuries" was on of those cliams


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Re: Cop kills unarmed 17 year old kid. [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #21840967 - 06/22/15 08:54 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Did you see the video of the cops not arresting the drunk driving cop I posted earlier?  Why didn't he get tazed is what I want to know?  He got out of the car and approached the officers several times, lied about having a weapon even, but they were patient and did not even touch him.





I dont know, why dont you ask the cop that affected the stop. I know nothing about that


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Re: Cop kills unarmed 17 year old kid. [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #21840971 - 06/22/15 08:55 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

it's ok Prisoner, no one is gonna change the murderous intent in dumb pig cop's heart's.


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Re: Cop kills unarmed 17 year old kid. [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #21840972 - 06/22/15 08:56 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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That's what the cops want you to think, but you have rights and if you don't stick up for you rights they will walk all over you given the chance.  They will lie to you and tell you that you are legally obliged to obey when you are not, and if that doesn't will they will attempt to intimidate you and not caving to intimidation might be risky, but it is absolutely admirable and necessary to preserve freedom and human dignity.

Even with the sovereign citizens, as kooky as some of them may be, much of what they say has real truth and value.  Even if something is written into law, if that law is unjust and against the spirit of the constitution and bill of rights, we all need to stand up in defense of each-other wherever an individual's inherent rights are challenged.





If someone believes a law is unjust in nature we have a civilized process to change it, we don't resist it in the middle of the street with a cop that's forced to enforce it.

If a cop is violating your civil rights there is little that a person can do at that specific time other than cooperate and wait for your day in court. You don't escalate the situation in the street.


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Re: Cop kills unarmed 17 year old kid. [Re: qman]
    #21840977 - 06/22/15 08:59 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

there is a civil way to do this: convince all your insane people that your all fucked and to go away. then things can change.


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Re: Cop kills unarmed 17 year old kid. [Re: akira_akuma]
    #21840979 - 06/22/15 09:00 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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you need more baton. then you'll look just right, you know, bent over...






Homophobic insinuation, reported.  :cookiemonster:


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Re: Cop kills unarmed 17 year old kid. [Re: akira_akuma]
    #21840981 - 06/22/15 09:02 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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akira_akuma said:
there is a civil way to do this: convince all your insane people that your all fucked and to go away. then things can change.




We are going to send them all to Canada without their driver licenses.  :mindblown:


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Re: Cop kills unarmed 17 year old kid. [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #21840986 - 06/22/15 09:05 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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moonrockmushy said:
Did you see the video of the cops not arresting the drunk driving cop I posted earlier?  Why didn't he get tazed is what I want to know?  He got out of the car and approached the officers several times, lied about having a weapon even, but they were patient and did not even touch him.





I dont know, why dont you ask the cop that affected the stop. I know nothing about that




It's very convenient how much you can deduce from a few blurry frames when it suits defending police, but when it comes to anything that could be used to point to a culture enabling police misconduct, who's to say, right?  There is no way to tell what these cops who openly discussed how they were not going to do their job on record and got away with it were feeling at the time, so let's just assume they were doing their best.


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Re: Cop kills unarmed 17 year old kid. [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #21841004 - 06/22/15 09:14 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Interesting how different this situation went.  I guess cause this guy gave ID he didn't deserve to die, or maybe it is that he is also a cop.  That certainly seems to be why they decided not to even charge him for blatant DUI and he is still on the job.



I can't believe the lady is like "You can't get back in the car and drive, Idunno about Jersey City but that's not how we do things around here", while still clearly implying that they are going to let him go, he just can't drive :facepalm:





my brother ended up with a DUI, the story is, he totaled his truck while
driving drunk, the woner of the house where he wrecked it called the cops, the
cop found him laying under the truck when he arrived, he managed to get him out
from under it, called my mom and step father to come and pick him up to take he
to the hospital, while the EMTs were checking him out he kept running his mouth
and just as my folks were getting there to pick him up the cop was handcuffing
him and taking his ass to jail

I know several people that were cut loose from DUIs, many more that were not
arrested for drugs in their possession including my brother and myself and
there's probably dozens of others people were cut loose from. some cops will,
some cops wont but it has no bearing on this shooting. when a cop asks for ID
you dont refuse because youtube told you to stand up for your rights

in at least 26 states you are required to ID yourself to the cop when he asks
regardless of whether you're driving, in all 50 states you are required to
present ID to a cop if you are driving. had this kid not asserted that he had
certain rights that he in fact did not, he would be alive today. why arent we
blaming youtube for the actions of this kid that resulted in his death, why
arent we blaming the dumbases making the videos telling people this
misinformation which result in charges against them. why arent we blaming the
kid for attacking the cop, it's not like we dont know what the results are when
you attack a cop, hell it's all over youtube, attack a cop get your ass shot


maybe someone needs to make a video that specifically states that


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Re: Cop kills unarmed 17 year old kid. [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #21841024 - 06/22/15 09:22 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Quote:

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moonrockmushy said:
Did you see the video of the cops not arresting the drunk driving cop I posted earlier?  Why didn't he get tazed is what I want to know?  He got out of the car and approached the officers several times, lied about having a weapon even, but they were patient and did not even touch him.





I dont know, why dont you ask the cop that affected the stop. I know nothing about that




It's very convenient how much you can deduce from a few blurry frames when it suits defending police, but when it comes to anything that could be used to point to a culture enabling police misconduct, who's to say, right?  There is no way to tell what these cops who openly discussed how they were not going to do their job on record and got away with it were feeling at the time, so let's just assume they were doing their best.





those few blurry frames show that the kid didnt jump up and run away as so many
people claimed, it also shows that when he got up he was reaching for the cop
and actively pursuing the cop as the cop was backing up. it's not a deduction,
it's an observation of the events as they were shown in the video

what cops discuss have no bearing on any of this, the laws are pretty simple
and I've already demonstrated that they apply to civilians as well as cops, you
have a right to defend yourself against an attacker, the cops have a right to
defend themselves against an attacker, it does not matter if that assailant is
armed, you have the right to defend yourself using reasonable justifiable force
and seeing as how I've said this in this thread and damn near every other
thread regarding self defense, we've also discussed what the cops discuss in
situations such as this

why not ask a cop about all of this, you'll get the same sort of answers


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Re: Cop kills unarmed 17 year old kid. [Re: akira_akuma]
    #21841029 - 06/22/15 09:25 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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akira_akuma said:
it's ok Prisoner, no one is gonna change the murderous intent in dumb pig cop's heart's.





and clearly nothing can change the ignorance you hold so dear


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Re: Cop kills unarmed 17 year old kid. [Re: Prisoner#1] * 2
    #21841048 - 06/22/15 09:32 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I don't know what videos you guys are talking about.  In all the videos I have seen where people stand up to police intimidation they are within their legal rights even though it pisses the cops off.  If we are living in a country where if you stand up for your rights police are more likely to kill you, there is a problem.  I don't see how anyone could ignore this basic premise, unless they are actually in support of fascist police states.  Even plenty of police agree that knowing and standing up for your rights is always the right thing to do, though that often comes into conflict with their training and mob mentality unfortunately.

You think people are not aware of police corruption?  You actually think all these people are just trying to troll the police or something and do not actually care about defending their rights?

Nothing prevented this cop from taking a more diplomatic approach other than his own ego and hatred of those who question his position as someone who has special privileges to fuck with you.

Police need reasonable suspicion in order to detain or compel someone to show ID.  Refusing to show ID is not grounds for suspicion.  I know alot of cops don't like they have to be able to articulate why someone has to comply in a way that actually conforms with the law, because many just aren't articulate or dedicated enough to their jobs to actually learn the laws.  I can understand why they get upset, which you just can't deny they do, but they should not treat someone who is exercising their rights any different.

When they say, "hey I was going to just let you go with a warning, but now..." they mean, "I am going to abuse you solely because you challenged my authority."


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Re: Cop kills unarmed 17 year old kid. [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #21841056 - 06/22/15 09:35 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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moonrockmushy said:
If we are living in a country where if you stand up for your rights police are more likely to kill you, there is a problem.



Let's stop right there. This kid wasn't standing up for anything. He was legally pulled over and required to present his ID by law. Could have went on his merry way but decided to practice being street attorney instead.


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Re: Cop kills unarmed 17 year old kid. [Re: D.M.T]
    #21841110 - 06/22/15 09:57 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I believe that the premise this was a legal stop is a travesty of justice even if it was upheld in court.  I believe the cop is the one who should have been pulled over in this case for violating the statute which says your lights should be directed in a way so that it doesn't blind people within 500ft, as we know this kid wasn't just making that up and that is the exact law we are talking about here.

That cop would never be pulled over though, because police give each-other preferential treatment.

Aside from that it is clear that he was incapable of handling the situation he got himself into.  He should have known that it is dangerous for both parties to subdue them alone in the dark, and there was no impending danger he can point to to justify this.  Anybody could potentially pose a threat.  If they can't control the situation where they are assaulting an unarmed person, they should not approach and give them the opportunity to have access to their gun.


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Re: Cop kills unarmed 17 year old kid. [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #21841127 - 06/22/15 10:05 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Prisoner#1 said:
Quote:

moonrockmushy said:
Interesting how different this situation went.  I guess cause this guy gave ID he didn't deserve to die, or maybe it is that he is also a cop.  That certainly seems to be why they decided not to even charge him for blatant DUI and he is still on the job.



I can't believe the lady is like "You can't get back in the car and drive, Idunno about Jersey City but that's not how we do things around here", while still clearly implying that they are going to let him go, he just can't drive :facepalm:





my brother ended up with a DUI, the story is, he totaled his truck while
driving drunk, the woner of the house where he wrecked it called the cops, the
cop found him laying under the truck when he arrived, he managed to get him out
from under it, called my mom and step father to come and pick him up to take he
to the hospital, while the EMTs were checking him out he kept running his mouth
and just as my folks were getting there to pick him up the cop was handcuffing
him and taking his ass to jail

I know several people that were cut loose from DUIs, many more that were not
arrested for drugs in their possession including my brother and myself and
there's probably dozens of others people were cut loose from. some cops will,
some cops wont but it has no bearing on this shooting. when a cop asks for ID
you dont refuse because youtube told you to stand up for your rights

in at least 26 states you are required to ID yourself to the cop when he asks
regardless of whether you're driving, in all 50 states you are required to
present ID to a cop if you are driving. had this kid not asserted that he had
certain rights that he in fact did not, he would be alive today. why arent we
blaming youtube for the actions of this kid that resulted in his death, why
arent we blaming the dumbases making the videos telling people this
misinformation which result in charges against them. why arent we blaming the
kid for attacking the cop, it's not like we dont know what the results are when
you attack a cop, hell it's all over youtube, attack a cop get your ass shot


maybe someone needs to make a video that specifically states that




:kaneclap:

It is time for the pub to quit putting their blinders on and block out all the parts of the story where the cop is actually defending himself. People here just love a good cop kills innocent guy story and will do anything to find it even if it is  distorting the actual events that took place to align with their cop bashing.

When people here are telling me that the kid never attacked the cop and the cop hit himself in the face with a rock how am I supposed to take any of that seriously.


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Re: Cop kills unarmed 17 year old kid. [Re: moonrockmushy] * 1
    #21841128 - 06/22/15 10:06 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)



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Re: Cop kills unarmed 17 year old kid. [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #21841131 - 06/22/15 10:07 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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I don't know what videos you guys are talking about.  In all the videos I have seen where people stand up to police intimidation they are within their legal rights even though it pisses the cops off.




this was one of those videos, was this kid within his legal rights?

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If we are living in a country where if you stand up for your rights police are more likely to kill you, there is a problem.




that's not how it works, you're a fool if you believe it to be this way and
once more, was this kid within his legal rights?



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Nothing prevented this cop from taking a more diplomatic approach other than his own ego and hatred of those who question his position as someone who has special privileges to fuck with you.






the dumbass that was shot prevented the cop from taking a more diplomatic
approach, the cop tried several times when he was asking for ID and by giving
he explanation he did regarding the headlights. it would have resulted in a
verbal warning but the boy escalated thing by asserting rights he didnt have



Quote:

Police need reasonable suspicion in order to detain or compel someone to show ID.  Refusing to show ID is not grounds for suspicion.




you've now demonstrated the ignorance of the youtuber 'my rights' generation


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Re: Cop kills unarmed 17 year old kid. [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #21841138 - 06/22/15 10:08 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Honestly I can imagine half the people here on the shroomery acting like that kid in the video if they ever got pulled over. :canthelpbutlaugh:


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Re: Cop kills unarmed 17 year old kid. [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #21841153 - 06/22/15 10:15 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah sure the 4th amendment was written by idiots who have no idea how the world works.  The best way to challenge a corrupt system is to submit and hope that you aren't confused with someone that believes they have inalienable rights.

Show me the statute that says a person must show ID, even when the police cannot articulate reasonable suspicion.  They must have a legitimate reason.


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