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moonrockmushy
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Re: Cop kills unarmed 17 year old kid. [Re: akira_akuma] 1
#21840421 - 06/22/15 02:09 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Ulfrick thinks that being forced to suck a cops dick under threat of death is a desirable thing because there is a possibility that he won't just get to suck a cops dick, but he might also get paid for it down the road through civil litigation.
I mean if that is his stance I at least can't fault him for being a hypocrite, but to pretend that is in line with common notions of righteousness and dignity is totally insane.
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Re: Cop kills unarmed 17 year old kid. [Re: moonrockmushy]
#21840429 - 06/22/15 02:12 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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moonrockmushy said: Ulfrick thinks that being forced to suck a cops dick under threat of death is a desirable thing because there is a possibility that he won't just get to suck a cops dick, but he might also get paid for it down the road through civil litigation.
I mean if that is his stance I at least can't fault him for being a hypocrite, but to pretend that is in line with common notions of righteousness and dignity is totally insane.
Giving a cop your ID isn't tantamount to sexual battery.
Pretty sure the cop says in the video the other people he pulled over he let go without a citation. At worst the kid would have lost five minutes of his time.
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Re: Cop kills unarmed 17 year old kid. [Re: D.M.T]
#21840443 - 06/22/15 02:19 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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he shouldn't have pulled any of them over in the first fucking place.
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SirShroomsAlott said: You guys act like kids are incapable of having weapons or being a potential threat to the cops life. Plus attaching the world child to it makes it much more dramatic, how many more months until we considered him an adult? Would he still be as important? or does his significance automatically drop because of a number? He's old enough to make reasonable decisions, he acted like an idiot, and a cop made a judgment call. I'm not justifying what the cop did, but he tried nonlethal, didn't work, so he went lethal when teh kid attacked.
The kid was totally wrong from the start of the video, everything that happened or followed was a direct result of his own actions. I usually disagree with pris too, but a cop isn't always wrong just because he pulls his gun.
The cop tased him because he wasn't complying fast enough. The kid was on the ground on his belly with his hands extended. The cop tased him because he didn't move his hands to his back fast enough.
And it's really weird that people are acting so sure that the kid attacked the cop. Are there people here who believe in the "emperor's new clothes"? I don't know what video you were looking at. The ones I saw absolutely didn't show the kid getting up or hitting the cop - or trying to run.
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Re: Cop kills unarmed 17 year old kid. [Re: akira_akuma]
#21840461 - 06/22/15 02:30 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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akira_akuma said: he shouldn't have pulled any of them over in the first fucking place.
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Re: Cop kills unarmed 17 year old kid. [Re: endogenous]
#21840513 - 06/22/15 03:10 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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The lack of empathy in some people here is appaling. I wish I could be more like Asante, and love everybody. But all I feel for these.. sociopaths(?) is contempt.
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Re: Cop kills unarmed 17 year old kid. [Re: D.M.T] 1
#21840526 - 06/22/15 03:14 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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moonrockmushy said: Ulfrick thinks that being forced to suck a cops dick under threat of death is a desirable thing because there is a possibility that he won't just get to suck a cops dick, but he might also get paid for it down the road through civil litigation.
I mean if that is his stance I at least can't fault him for being a hypocrite, but to pretend that is in line with common notions of righteousness and dignity is totally insane.
Giving a cop your ID isn't tantamount to sexual battery.
Pretty sure the cop says in the video the other people he pulled over he let go without a citation. At worst the kid would have lost five minutes of his time.
I'm not talking about the video. Someone said that blindly following police orders entails sucking a cop's dick if they ask you to, and Ulfrick seemed to say that isn't so bad because you could potentially benefit from that through civil suits, which is a pretty fucked up argument, but the type of logic I would expect from someone who can overlook blatant corruption and abuse of authority.
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Re: Cop kills unarmed 17 year old kid. [Re: moonrockmushy]
#21840686 - 06/22/15 05:32 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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the injuries in the photo could be easily obtained by a bump to the head on asphalt which could have happened at any time before or after the murder, they are light scrapes and blood which was left to run....
mostly nothing.
the kid has permanent injuries.
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Re: Cop kills unarmed 17 year old kid. [Re: rxb]
#21840705 - 06/22/15 05:46 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Interesting how different this situation went. I guess cause this guy gave ID he didn't deserve to die, or maybe it is that he is also a cop. That certainly seems to be why they decided not to even charge him for blatant DUI and he is still on the job.
I can't believe the lady is like "You can't get back in the car and drive, Idunno about Jersey City but that's not how we do things around here", while still clearly implying that they are going to let him go, he just can't drive
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Re: Cop kills unarmed 17 year old kid. [Re: moonrockmushy]
#21840763 - 06/22/15 06:48 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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moonrockmushy said: Ulfrick thinks that being forced to suck a cops dick under threat of death is a desirable thing because there is a possibility that he won't just get to suck a cops dick, but he might also get paid for it down the road through civil litigation.
I mean if that is his stance I at least can't fault him for being a hypocrite, but to pretend that is in line with common notions of righteousness and dignity is totally insane.
Giving a cop your ID isn't tantamount to sexual battery.
Pretty sure the cop says in the video the other people he pulled over he let go without a citation. At worst the kid would have lost five minutes of his time.
I'm not talking about the video. Someone said that blindly following police orders entails sucking a cop's dick if they ask you to, and Ulfrick seemed to say that isn't so bad because you could potentially benefit from that through civil suits, which is a pretty fucked up argument, but the type of logic I would expect from someone who can overlook blatant corruption and abuse of authority.
Now your just willfully misrepresenting what I said. I was making a point, that it's better to do what a cop says, and go after them with criminal and civil litigation at a later date than it is to take a bullet to the brain. You must have a seriously low opinion of human life if you think people should be throwing theirs away so easily.
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Ulfrick said: Now your just willfully misrepresenting what I said. I was making a point, that it's better to do what a cop says, and go after them with criminal and civil litigation at a later date than it is to take a bullet to the brain. You must have a seriously low opinion of human life if you think people should be throwing theirs away so easily.
This is very good advice and common sence, actually. Of course you should cooperate in any way with an armed man, it is the same when you get mugged.
On the other hand, cops SHOULD be held to higher standards than muggers & rapists, and murder is still murder.
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The only reason we have rights is because people fought and died for them. I can't say what I would do under the threat of death, as I've never really been in that position fortunately, but you said what you said and I think it is wholly tasteless to make light of sexual assault like some financial settlement would make it worthwhile. The sad thing is that scenario probably happens more often than we would like to think, and some probably get away with it precisely because police do not hold each-other to the same standard as normal citizens.
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Re: Cop kills unarmed 17 year old kid. [Re: moonrockmushy]
#21840787 - 06/22/15 07:06 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Ulfrick said: Now your just willfully misrepresenting what I said. I was making a point, that it's better to do what a cop says, and go after them with criminal and civil litigation at a later date than it is to take a bullet to the brain. You must have a seriously low opinion of human life if you think people should be throwing theirs away so easily.
This is very good advice and common sence, actually. Of course you should cooperate in any way with an armed man, it is the same when you get mugged.
On the other hand, cops SHOULD be held to higher standards than muggers & rapists, and murder is still murder.
I agree, and the original question was posed as an "extreme case" Responding by refusing to show proper identification, and then violence to a simple citation stop (which probably would have just been a verbal warning like the other people he pulled over that night) is just stupid and it cost the kid his life.
I won't deny that there are bad cops out there, or that injustices happen. But the place to fight that is the court room not the street side. And promoting this idea that you should try and flex your rights and refuse to co-operate is exactly the behavior that got this kid killed.
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moonrockmushy said: The only reason we have rights is because people fought and died for them. I can't say what I would do under the threat of death, as I've never really been in that position fortunately, but you said what you said and I think it is wholly tasteless to make light of sexual assault like some financial settlement would make it worthwhile. The sad thing is that scenario probably happens more often than we would like to think, and some probably get away with it precisely because police do not hold each-other to the same standard as normal citizens.
The financial settlement was the last and least important thing that I said, I had listed surviving the encounter, and pressing criminal charges to get a corrupt cop off the street as the more important results of it.
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Well I say give me a cock free mouth or give me death, but I don't fundamentally have any problem with your strategy other than you very likely wouldn't get him off the streets or any sort of settlement if you're like most victims of police abuse.
I think most people who are raped by police tend to be women, but I'm sure they rape men sometimes too.
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Re: Cop kills unarmed 17 year old kid. [Re: moonrockmushy]
#21840820 - 06/22/15 07:30 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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moonrockmushy said: Well I say give me a cock free mouth or give me death, but I don't fundamentally have any problem with your strategy other than you very likely wouldn't get him off the streets or any sort of settlement if you're like most victims of police abuse.
I think most people who are raped by police tend to be women, but I'm sure they rape men sometimes too.
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That's what the cops want you to think, but you have rights and if you don't stick up for you rights they will walk all over you given the chance. They will lie to you and tell you that you are legally obliged to obey when you are not, and if that doesn't will they will attempt to intimidate you and not caving to intimidation might be risky, but it is absolutely admirable and necessary to preserve freedom and human dignity.
Even with the sovereign citizens, as kooky as some of them may be, much of what they say has real truth and value. Even if something is written into law, if that law is unjust and against the spirit of the constitution and bill of rights, we all need to stand up in defense of each-other wherever an individual's inherent rights are challenged.
Speaking up in defense of your rights is small, maybe even negligible in the grand scheme, but the only thing worse than someone who barely cares about liberty is someone who doesn't care at all. Most of us don't hate cops, we just want people to acknowledge that they're given more lee-way in deciding weather to kill someone or not when they are supposed to be the ones specifically selected and trained out of the population to prevent such occurrences.
The whole "few bad apples" argument doesn't really hold water either. It's true that not every cop is a hothead asshole, but the way the system is going it seems to encourage that more and more, and that is not having a desirable impact on anything other than the pockets and egos of crooked cops and others who benefit from corruption.
There are some good cops who speak out about corruption, and they take a huge risk not because they need to do that to survive, but because they believe in integrity and justice. Unfortunately there are whole departments where honest police like this are ostracized and treated worse than criminals.
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Re: Cop kills unarmed 17 year old kid. [Re: moonrockmushy]
#21840934 - 06/22/15 08:34 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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moonrockmushy said: Yeah, he's going to resist, as would anyone with any sense of dignity and justice.
There you go advocating physically resisting a cop in the middle of the street, this mentality gets people needlessly killed.
There was NO need to resist anything in this case, cooperate with basic instructions and nothing happens other than a ticket, the cop did nothing wrong in this case.
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Re: Cop kills unarmed 17 year old kid. [Re: qman]
#21840952 - 06/22/15 08:45 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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the cop did nothing wrong in this case
no. wrong. you don't understand... anything. at all. go away.
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Re: Cop kills unarmed 17 year old kid. [Re: qman]
#21840955 - 06/22/15 08:47 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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rxb said: using your rights may kill you.
the cops dont believe in them some dont know the rights you have.
they have been trained to meet resistance with violence.
this cop opened a car door, when the kid had not committed a crime
he stated he would take the kid to jail for a crime which doesnt have jail time.
he assaulted the kid without provocation to escalate to physical violence.
with the kid on the ground... and subdued...with no weapon, he tasered him... putting his life at risk.
the kid tried to get away from a life threatening situation and was shot down.
the officer is in the wrong.
and here folks is exactly the rational that lead to this kid getting shot, some one that doesnt know shit about the law trying to tell everyone what the law is
driving without a license is possession is an actual offense and the cop can most certainly take you to jail for it. the kid was tased because he was making a situation dangerous for the cop, the kid was shot because he escalated the situation from a simple felony resisting to assault on an officer
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Re: Cop kills unarmed 17 year old kid. [Re: Prisoner#1]
#21840959 - 06/22/15 08:50 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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you need more baton. then you'll look just right, you know, bent over...
it's often a warning police will let you off with because ID isn't worth instigating people who aren't doing anything you know, anything anything
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