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OfflineFreeTheSoul
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Re: Cop kills unarmed 17 year old kid. [Re: Gorlax]
    #21839798 - 06/21/15 10:54 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Gorlax said:
This is one of the more crazy videos I've seen. No reason he should have used deadly force. Makes no sense in this situation. Sure the kid was being an idiot but to shoot and kill him.



Exactly what I see, I dont see the kid charging at the cop before shots were fired, I may be blind. I really cant see shit in the video and thats why I say let a jury decide. Thats probably why the prosecutor didnt charge him though, cause he knew the case could go either way.


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Re: Cop kills unarmed 17 year old kid. [Re: FreeTheSoul]
    #21839807 - 06/21/15 10:57 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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FreeTheSoul said:
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Gorlax said:
This is one of the more crazy videos I've seen. No reason he should have used deadly force. Makes no sense in this situation. Sure the kid was being an idiot but to shoot and kill him.



Exactly what I see, I dont see the kid charging at the cop before shots were fired, I may be blind. I really cant see shit in the video and thats why I say let a jury decide. Thats probably why the prosecutor didnt charge him though, cause he knew the case could go either way.




So where did the cop get all the injuries from? It doesn't surprise me at all that kid physically assaulted the cop, he was begging for a confrontation that night.


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Re: Cop kills unarmed 17 year old kid. [Re: Gorlax] * 1
    #21839810 - 06/21/15 10:57 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

What he should have done if he felt a crime was being committed was gone back to his car and called for backup.  They had clearly identified him, he didn't try to run, and nobody was in danger just because the kid became indignant.

He asked if he was being detained, the cop says yes, which I am ok with.  My problem is with the cop escalating the situation needlessly when he could have waited until he had the advantage of two people to safely subdue him, or patiently talked him through what was going on like a human being.  This is a minor after all, they are going to make mistakes.


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Re: Cop kills unarmed 17 year old kid. [Re: FreeTheSoul]
    #21839815 - 06/21/15 10:59 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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FreeTheSoul said:
How do you know the cop wasn't lying? Cop may have thought he was above the law and got mad at the last person he stopped because they were telling him he was breaking the law but he didn't care cause he is the law. Then the cop felt personally slighted because the kid was being uncooperative and running and the cop was like oh imma show him whos boss then started filling him with lead.





that's a wonderful idea, lots us roam off into fantasy land where we can
speculate on all the what if's as opposed to the fact presented


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Re: Cop kills unarmed 17 year old kid. [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #21839817 - 06/21/15 11:00 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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moonrockmushy said:
What he should have done if he felt a crime was being committed was gone back to his car and called for backup.  They had clearly identified him, he didn't try to run, and nobody was in danger just because the kid became indignant.

He asked if he was being detained, the cop says yes, which I am ok with.  My problem is with the cop escalating the situation needlessly when he could have waited until he had the advantage of two people to safely subdue him, or patiently talked him through what was going on like a human being.  This is a minor after all, they are going to make mistakes.





how did the cop escalate things?


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Re: Cop kills unarmed 17 year old kid. [Re: Gorlax]
    #21839822 - 06/21/15 11:00 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Gorlax said:
This is one of the more crazy videos I've seen. No reason he should have used deadly force. Makes no sense in this situation. Sure the kid was being an idiot but to shoot and kill him.





so you also chose to overlook the kid attacking the cop


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Re: Cop kills unarmed 17 year old kid. [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #21839836 - 06/21/15 11:03 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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moonrockmushy said:
What he should have done if he felt a crime was being committed was gone back to his car and called for backup.  They had clearly identified him, he didn't try to run, and nobody was in danger just because the kid became indignant.

He asked if he was being detained, the cop says yes, which I am ok with.  My problem is with the cop escalating the situation needlessly when he could have waited until he had the advantage of two people to safely subdue him, or patiently talked him through what was going on like a human being.  This is a minor after all, they are going to make mistakes.




Someone said it earlier but it bears repeating.
Would have been really handy if the cop had some way of knowing the kid is a minor, like some piece of paper with his name and birthdate on it. Almost like identification of some sort.


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Re: Cop kills unarmed 17 year old kid. [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #21839837 - 06/21/15 11:03 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

just had a thought


were the kids knuckles busted up? has the autopsy actually been made available or is that hush-hush?

because if he did that to the officers face, his hands would obviously be bruised, as he had no weapon


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Re: Cop kills unarmed 17 year old kid. [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #21839840 - 06/21/15 11:04 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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moonrockmushy said:
What he should have done if he felt a crime was being committed was gone back to his car and called for backup.  They had clearly identified him, he didn't try to run, and nobody was in danger just because the kid became indignant.

He asked if he was being detained, the cop says yes, which I am ok with.  My problem is with the cop escalating the situation needlessly when he could have waited until he had the advantage of two people to safely subdue him, or patiently talked him through what was going on like a human being.  This is a minor after all, they are going to make mistakes.




"They had clearly identified him"

How?  The cop never had a chance other than a license plate, that's not identification.

"cop escalating the situation"

Nope, he was just doing his job, which includes asking for a divers license, the kid had a attitude from the very beginning.

"This is a minor after all, they are going to make mistakes"

A 5 year old can follow basic instructions, why couldn't that retard?  He was "smart" enough to be a legal "expert", how did that work out for him?


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Re: Cop kills unarmed 17 year old kid. [Re: Adolin]
    #21839845 - 06/21/15 11:05 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Gresh said:
just had a thought


were the kids knuckles busted up? has the autopsy actually been made available or is that hush-hush?

because if he did that to the officers face, his hands would obviously be bruised, as he had no weapon





it's on video, I posted the screen caps


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Re: Cop kills unarmed 17 year old kid. [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #21839852 - 06/21/15 11:07 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Prisoner#1 said:
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Gresh said:
just had a thought


were the kids knuckles busted up? has the autopsy actually been made available or is that hush-hush?

because if he did that to the officers face, his hands would obviously be bruised, as he had no weapon





it's on video, I posted the screen caps





you posted screen caps of his autopsy? where?


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Re: Cop kills unarmed 17 year old kid. [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #21839858 - 06/21/15 11:08 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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akira_akuma said:
watch form 3:00 and on. you will hear his story about his "new vehicle" and how he stopped other people for "the same thing tonight" as he stopped the kid for.





it's cool how you completely omit how his new headlights are bright and that he
WAS NOT driving with his brights on. see, it's those details the cop haters miss,
details such as the tardboy attacking the cop

in the first 30 seconds he says "I pulled you over because you flashed me and I
didnt even have my brights on" and the kid argues he did and he states again and
again that he didnt have his brights on and explains that others thought the same

so... wanna go watch that shit again and tell me how the cop had his brights on?
I flash people frequently when it appears they have their brights on because
the roads are poorly marked and those brights pose a real hazard, some have
lights that are aimed badly, some have HID lights and some have really bright
lighs or jacked up trucks where the lights appear to be the high beams



so you deserve to be arrested then, apparently.

you're right, he did say his car was new so his beams are bright. nevertheless the other's did the same thing as the kid, they tried to warn him. what did the kid do different, he did not produce his I.D. card. but that isn't even a jailable to juvenile's and misdemeanor first offences. it's a warning at best. the cop wanted to take out his annoyance on the kid, by having to pull over people to explain his ridiculous excuse for why his headlights are blinding people (which he should have listened to, if your lights are blinding people, expect to be signalled, as you've JUST SAID), and then he ended up railing the kid with accusations of having a weapon in order to ramp up the detainment to arrest in order to control the kid.

like i said, the kid was as stupid as the cop, but not having his license, first of all... but regardless the cop still acted outside of his duty, entirely, and simply wanted to take this instance of non-compliance to the furthest he could to justify why his lights were blinding people, and not have to let go of this kid giving him a hard time.

it wasn't professional. it was Prisoner style tactics of berate and secure, and then ultimately kill.


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Re: Cop kills unarmed 17 year old kid. [Re: Bjorn_Stormcrow]
    #21839860 - 06/21/15 11:08 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Ulfrick said:
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moonrockmushy said:
What he should have done if he felt a crime was being committed was gone back to his car and called for backup.  They had clearly identified him, he didn't try to run, and nobody was in danger just because the kid became indignant.

He asked if he was being detained, the cop says yes, which I am ok with.  My problem is with the cop escalating the situation needlessly when he could have waited until he had the advantage of two people to safely subdue him, or patiently talked him through what was going on like a human being.  This is a minor after all, they are going to make mistakes.




Someone said it earlier but it bears repeating.
Would have been really handy if the cop had some way of knowing the kid is a minor, like some piece of paper with his name and birthdate on it. Almost like identification of some sort.





but how could you know if it was the same person, maybe if that paper with the
name and birthdate could include a photo it would help to make sure the guy
wasnt faking being a minor... this ID think you've come up with is a novel
idea, it's unlikely it will ever catch on


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Re: Cop kills unarmed 17 year old kid. [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #21839868 - 06/21/15 11:09 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Prisoner#1 said:


how did the cop escalate things?



by providing no juncture to the kid ultimately being correct. his lights WERE blinding people, including the kid, and that's why the kid beamed him, to warm him... not to commit a crime. it was a shaft if i've ever saw one.


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Re: Cop kills unarmed 17 year old kid. [Re: Bjorn_Stormcrow]
    #21839873 - 06/21/15 11:10 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Ulfrick said:

Someone said it earlier but it bears repeating.
Would have been really handy if the cop had some way of knowing the kid is a minor, like some piece of paper with his name and birthdate on it. Almost like identification of some sort.



yeah, well he looked and talked and acted like a minor. indication enough.

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How?  The cop never had a chance other than a license plate, that's not identification.




sure puts a shunt for him from being able to run and escape, though.

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A 5 year old can follow basic instructions, why couldn't that retard?  He was "smart" enough to be a legal "expert", how did that work out for him?




regardless not a crime that warrant's execution. he was down on the ground with the cops knee in his back. his tazer causes the kid to jump, provoking the cop, but ultimately everything beforehand, in the cops case, is unwarranted to begin with.


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Re: Cop kills unarmed 17 year old kid. [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #21839878 - 06/21/15 11:12 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

So you think if the cop didn't subdue him right then and there this kid would have gotten away?  He was driving a legally registered vehicle, and had committed no crime.  There was no reason to subdue him 1 on 1 right there.


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Re: Cop kills unarmed 17 year old kid. [Re: akira_akuma]
    #21839880 - 06/21/15 11:13 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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akira_akuma said:
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Prisoner#1 said:


how did the cop escalate things?



by providing no juncture to the kid ultimately being correct. his lights WERE blinding people, including the kid, and that's why the kid beamed him, to warm him... not to commit a crime. it was a shaft if i've ever saw one.




The cop doesn't need to offer any explanation about his car, the kid does need to comply, he didn't.


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Re: Cop kills unarmed 17 year old kid. [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #21839882 - 06/21/15 11:13 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Do you have pics of the Autopsy of Deven Guilford or not Pris? cause i cant find any online and i would really like to see whether or not his fists were bruised


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Re: Cop kills unarmed 17 year old kid. [Re: qman]
    #21839891 - 06/21/15 11:15 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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qman said:
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akira_akuma said:
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Prisoner#1 said:


how did the cop escalate things?



by providing no juncture to the kid ultimately being correct. his lights WERE blinding people, including the kid, and that's why the kid beamed him, to warm him... not to commit a crime. it was a shaft if i've ever saw one.




The cop doesn't need to offer any explanation about his car, the kid does need to comply, he didn't.



nah. he didn't need to because he didn't do anything wrong.

and the cop DID in fact offer an explanation, because he knew his fucking car was already blinding people on the road. you'd probably comply with a cop shoving his baton where it don't shine.


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Re: Cop kills unarmed 17 year old kid. [Re: akira_akuma]
    #21839897 - 06/21/15 11:17 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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akira_akuma said:
Quote:

Prisoner#1 said:


how did the cop escalate things?



by providing no juncture to the kid ultimately being correct. his lights WERE blinding people, including the kid, and that's why the kid beamed him, to warm him... not to commit a crime. it was a shaft if i've ever saw one.



Quote:

akira_akuma said:
Quote:

Prisoner#1 said:


how did the cop escalate things?



by providing no juncture to the kid ultimately being correct. his lights WERE blinding people, including the kid, and that's why the kid beamed him, to warm him... not to commit a crime. it was a shaft if i've ever saw one.




Your missing the point. It wasn't his flashing his beams that was the problem. Yes it got him pulled over, but that alone would have resulted in nothing more than his I'D being checked. Possibly a 5 minute wait while they ran his ID to check for warrants,  then a "drive safe, have a nice night"

But no, this dip shit caused problems. Refused to present license and registration. Refused to co-operate, resisted arrest, assaulted an officer,  then attempted to flee the scene of a crime.

To claim he was shot for "warning a cop about his lights" is just willful ignorance.


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