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Re: Cop kills unarmed 17 year old kid. [Re: akira_akuma] * 2
    #21839532 - 06/21/15 09:57 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: Cop kills unarmed 17 year old kid. [Re: akira_akuma]
    #21839548 - 06/21/15 10:00 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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nah, you're wrong. you know why. here it is.

1: they might not have noticed it was a cop at first, because they were just trying to prevent future accidents by telling the person who is in clear violation of the law, to check their headlights because they are malfunctioning.

2: the headlights are not "immaterial" to the situation because the cop's headlight's is what started any of the above situation's (of him pulling people over) in the first place. it's common practice for people to warn people of their headlights being too bright because A: save their batteries from their forgetfulness or inattentiveness and B: because they want to avoid being blinded by incoming vehicles at night on the road.

3: once you get pulled over by police, you do not have to do anything that isn't right or isn't following proper police procedure, and this cop wasn't, because he should have gone back to his precinct garage and gotten a new and SAFE vehicle to go and probe people around with. because more than the kid, actually if i remember correctly at least three other people tried to warm the cop his vehicle was dangerous and that should have given him enough warning that he was breaking his own laws to uphold, thusly he is an idiot and a provocateur for trying to bust ANYONE for HIS FUCKING CRIME being perpetually ignored.




"once you get pulled over by the police, you don't have to do anything that isn't right or isn't following proper police procedure"

That's the attitude that escalates a very tame encounter with law enforcement.

Define what isn't "right"?  Providing a divers license is something a driver must produce.

Define "proper police procedure"?    If you have issue with the procedure, wait for a day in court.

Your type and the "I know my rights" Utube crowd got this young man killed for giving him the false impression that he can do anything he wants if he FEELS that something isn't fair or legal with a interaction with a cop, good job. :thumbdown:


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Re: Cop kills unarmed 17 year old kid. [Re: qman]
    #21839569 - 06/21/15 10:05 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

you are so very blind and mistaken again. you can't even read.

what is proper police procedure? GET YOUR FUCKING HEADLIGHTS FIXED ON YOR DAN CRUISER BEFORE YOU KILL SOMEONE, and not doing that, alone, IS ALSO ILLEGAL... ON THE COPS PART. THAT'S WHAT STARTED THE WHOLE INSTIGATION.

what isn't right? stopping people and giving them a hard time because your dumb ass can't recognize that his police vehicle is a danger to everyone else on the fucking road. he might as well have just used it as an excuse to pull people over "oh you highbeamed me" but your car is fucking blinding me, idiot "you're under arrest!"

fucking blind as fuck people, man. really, you have no sense.


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Re: Cop kills unarmed 17 year old kid. [Re: akira_akuma]
    #21839583 - 06/21/15 10:08 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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akira_akuma said:
nah, you're wrong. you know why. here it is.

1: they might not have noticed it was a cop at first, because they were just trying to prevent future accidents by telling the person who is in clear violation of the law, to check their headlights because they are malfunctioning.

2: the headlights are not "immaterial" to the situation because the cop's headlight's is what started any of the above situation's (of him pulling people over) in the first place. it's common practice for people to warn people of their headlights being too bright because A: save their batteries from their forgetfulness or inattentiveness and B: because they want to avoid being blinded by incoming vehicles at night on the road.

3: once you get pulled over by police, you do not have to do anything that isn't right or isn't following proper police procedure, and this cop wasn't, because he should have gone back to his precinct garage and gotten a new and SAFE vehicle to go and probe people around with. because more than the kid, actually if i remember correctly at least three other people tried to warm the cop his vehicle was dangerous and that should have given him enough warning that he was breaking his own laws to uphold, thusly he is an idiot and a provocateur for trying to bust ANYONE for HIS FUCKING CRIME being perpetually ignored.





what laws was the cop breaking?


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Re: Cop kills unarmed 17 year old kid. [Re: akira_akuma]
    #21839603 - 06/21/15 10:12 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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you are so very blind and mistaken again. you can't even read.

what is proper police procedure? GET YOUR FUCKING HEADLIGHTS FIXED ON YOR DAN CRUISER BEFORE YOU KILL SOMEONE, and not doing that, alone, IS ALSO ILLEGAL... ON THE COPS PART. THAT'S WHAT STARTED THE WHOLE INSTIGATION.

what isn't right? stopping people and giving them a hard time because your dumb ass can't recognize that his police vehicle is a danger to everyone else on the fucking road. he might as well have just used it as an excuse to pull people over "oh you highbeamed me" but your car is fucking blinding me, idiot "you're under arrest!"

fucking blind as fuck people, man. really, you have no sense.




The lights don't matter, the kid got pulled over and fucked up big time, your type of people gave him the false confidence he was a superman "I know my legal rights expert" and that got him killed, you all have blood on your hands on this one.


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Re: Cop kills unarmed 17 year old kid. [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #21839617 - 06/21/15 10:16 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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akira_akuma said:
nah, you're wrong. you know why. here it is.

1: they might not have noticed it was a cop at first, because they were just trying to prevent future accidents by telling the person who is in clear violation of the law, to check their headlights because they are malfunctioning.

2: the headlights are not "immaterial" to the situation because the cop's headlight's is what started any of the above situation's (of him pulling people over) in the first place. it's common practice for people to warn people of their headlights being too bright because A: save their batteries from their forgetfulness or inattentiveness and B: because they want to avoid being blinded by incoming vehicles at night on the road.

3: once you get pulled over by police, you do not have to do anything that isn't right or isn't following proper police procedure, and this cop wasn't, because he should have gone back to his precinct garage and gotten a new and SAFE vehicle to go and probe people around with. because more than the kid, actually if i remember correctly at least three other people tried to warm the cop his vehicle was dangerous and that should have given him enough warning that he was breaking his own laws to uphold, thusly he is an idiot and a provocateur for trying to bust ANYONE for HIS FUCKING CRIME being perpetually ignored.





what laws was the cop breaking?



driving with his brights on towards oncoming vehicles, blinding people on the road.

that law.


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Re: Cop kills unarmed 17 year old kid. [Re: qman]
    #21839624 - 06/21/15 10:17 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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The lights don't matter, the kid got pulled over and fucked up big time, your type of people gave him the false confidence he was a superman "I know my legal rights expert" and that got him killed, you all have blood on your hands on this one.



nice try but you don't know me. i don't assent to people giving legal advice to try and control cops. i already said the kid was an idiot too. you're a blind individual, it seems.


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Re: Cop kills unarmed 17 year old kid. [Re: akira_akuma]
    #21839631 - 06/21/15 10:18 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Quote:

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akira_akuma said:
nah, you're wrong. you know why. here it is.

1: they might not have noticed it was a cop at first, because they were just trying to prevent future accidents by telling the person who is in clear violation of the law, to check their headlights because they are malfunctioning.

2: the headlights are not "immaterial" to the situation because the cop's headlight's is what started any of the above situation's (of him pulling people over) in the first place. it's common practice for people to warn people of their headlights being too bright because A: save their batteries from their forgetfulness or inattentiveness and B: because they want to avoid being blinded by incoming vehicles at night on the road.

3: once you get pulled over by police, you do not have to do anything that isn't right or isn't following proper police procedure, and this cop wasn't, because he should have gone back to his precinct garage and gotten a new and SAFE vehicle to go and probe people around with. because more than the kid, actually if i remember correctly at least three other people tried to warm the cop his vehicle was dangerous and that should have given him enough warning that he was breaking his own laws to uphold, thusly he is an idiot and a provocateur for trying to bust ANYONE for HIS FUCKING CRIME being perpetually ignored.





what laws was the cop breaking?



driving with his brights on towards oncoming vehicles, blinding people on the road.

that law.





except he was not driving with his brights on


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Re: Cop kills unarmed 17 year old kid. [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #21839655 - 06/21/15 10:23 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

yeah, and the cop's was too. he should have gotten off the road, and then no one would be trying to signal him with their brights.

there is no argument here, Pris. the cop had a car with which he was blinding people with. that is just as much a crime as trying to signal people, whom have problems with their vehicles. it's a common practice because police in the instance of smoke or fire, or pieces falling off your car, or malfunctioning headlights or whatever have you, is a private concern and not a corporate one. police won't be there to help you when you need someone to tell you "hey, your tire is flat". but the cop needed  that already, in the case of his headlights blinding people, which he should have already known given the fact that he was told by two or three other people whom he pulled over already for trying to warm his dumbass. he shouldn't be on the road if his headlights are malfunctioning and his brights are coming on without his control.


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Re: Cop kills unarmed 17 year old kid. [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #21839667 - 06/21/15 10:25 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

The kid was fully in the right here, right up until he refused to provide license and registration. The second he did that the cop had probable cause to assume something was amiss (stolen car, suspended license, no insurance, take your pick) because if your legal to drive and all your paperwork is in order why wouldn't you just hand it over and carry on your merry way. You loose what, 10 minutes, maybe get a ticket at worst (which would have been bullshit and very easy to fight). Also as far as I'm aware in most states (if not all, I'm no expert on as American law, it is illegal to not produce license and registration when asked)
The kid fucked up big time, tried to escalate in order to get some Internet fame or flex his rights or whatever. And now he is permanently late. As in the late dumb ass kid.


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Re: Cop kills unarmed 17 year old kid. [Re: akira_akuma]
    #21839669 - 06/21/15 10:25 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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akira_akuma said:
Quote:

qman said:

The lights don't matter, the kid got pulled over and fucked up big time, your type of people gave him the false confidence he was a superman "I know my legal rights expert" and that got him killed, you all have blood on your hands on this one.



i don't assent to people giving legal advice to try and control cops.




Yet, you have very strong opinions on "proper police procedure" and when a cop isn't doing something "right". So much so that you justify fending them off when they don't like it, great advice.

Young people on this site and in the Utube world really buy into this "I know my legal rights" and "cops can't do anything to me" bullshit that people like you have been spewing nonstop lately.

Hell, the black teenagers that invaded a pool party last week were screaming the same shit and physically fighting against the police, where do you think they get this nonsense from?


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Re: Cop kills unarmed 17 year old kid. [Re: akira_akuma]
    #21839674 - 06/21/15 10:26 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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yeah, and the cop's was too. he should have gotten off the road, and then no one would be trying to signal him with their brights.





um, where's the video tape of the cop driving with his brights on?

just because you said he was doesnt mean he was


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Re: Cop kills unarmed 17 year old kid. [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #21839699 - 06/21/15 10:32 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

oh really? watch the video again. listen carefully. he says it himself... want me to get the time code? hold on.


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    #21839713 - 06/21/15 10:34 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

watch form 3:00 and on. you will hear his story about his "new vehicle" and how he stopped other people for "the same thing tonight" as he stopped the kid for.


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Re: Cop kills unarmed 17 year old kid. [Re: Prisoner#1] * 1
    #21839725 - 06/21/15 10:36 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

He probably didn't have his brights on, but his lights were not properly aimed.  He said they had just been serviced, this had been happening again and again, and he decided he had to pull people over throughout the night to insist that his lights were in the low-beam setting rather than just deal with the minor annoyance of people flashing you until you can take the car back in to have the lowbeam angle adjusted.  If he did this and someone qualified to make that call said "oh that's just because they're new bulbs" (:confused: headlights on new cars shouldn't blind people) then maybe the police should look into having their cars serviced by qualified professionals.


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Re: Cop kills unarmed 17 year old kid. [Re: akira_akuma]
    #21839746 - 06/21/15 10:42 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

That's one interpretation of the events. The other is that "it's a new vehicle, so there isn't actually anything wrong with it." (Ever seen a car with brand new halogens? Even on low they are still bright as fuck and could easily be misinterpreted as being on high.)
And "I've stopped other people for this tonight, so that they can know for the future that nothing is wrong."

See how by simply interpret what he said differently suddenly Changes the whole narrative. Rather than your "it's a brand new car so shut the fuck up about its problems" and "I've pulled 3 other people over tonight because I like harassing people" shtick.

Fact is, if he did pull over 3 other peoplr, that just proves that the kid did something stupid. Because those 3 didn't get shot and went on their merry way.
When similar circumstances occur that have drastically different outcomes you need to look at the conditions that changed. And in this case the changed condition was that this kid was a lippy fucktard and got his ass shot for it.
If the cop was the problem then why wasn't there 4 bodies instead of 1?


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Re: Cop kills unarmed 17 year old kid. [Re: akira_akuma]
    #21839751 - 06/21/15 10:42 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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watch form 3:00 and on. you will hear his story about his "new vehicle" and how he stopped other people for "the same thing tonight" as he stopped the kid for.





it's cool how you completely omit how his new headlights are bright and that he
WAS NOT driving with his brights on. see, it's those details the cop haters miss,
details such as the tardboy attacking the cop

in the first 30 seconds he says "I pulled you over because you flashed me and I
didnt even have my brights on" and the kid argues he did and he states again and
again that he didnt have his brights on and explains that others thought the same

so... wanna go watch that shit again and tell me how the cop had his brights on?
I flash people frequently when it appears they have their brights on because
the roads are poorly marked and those brights pose a real hazard, some have
lights that are aimed badly, some have HID lights and some have really bright
lighs or jacked up trucks where the lights appear to be the high beams


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Re: Cop kills unarmed 17 year old kid. [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #21839768 - 06/21/15 10:46 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

How do you know the cop wasn't lying? Cop may have thought he was above the law and got mad at the last person he stopped because they were telling him he was breaking the law but he didn't care cause he is the law. Then the cop felt personally slighted because the kid was being uncooperative and running and the cop was like oh imma show him whos boss then started filling him with lead.


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Re: Cop kills unarmed 17 year old kid. [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #21839775 - 06/21/15 10:47 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

This is one of the more crazy videos I've seen. No reason he should have used deadly force. Makes no sense in this situation. Sure the kid was being an idiot but to shoot and kill him.


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Re: Cop kills unarmed 17 year old kid. [Re: FreeTheSoul]
    #21839788 - 06/21/15 10:51 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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How do you know the cop wasn't lying? Cop may have thought he was above the law and got mad at the last person he stopped because they were telling him he was breaking the law but he didn't care cause he is the law. Then the cop felt personally slighted because the kid was being uncooperative and running and the cop was like oh imma show him whos boss then started filling him with lead.




Why would he do that? Not only are you assuming he would lie for stupid fucking reasons, but also that he is a complete psychopath.
Your also only assuming that he is breaking the law. If his beams where on low but just particularly bright then no law was broken.
The kid however DID break the law, first by refusing to show his papers when asked. And then again by resisting arrest and assaulting an officer of the law.

And if he was just a maniac psychopath then why didn't the first 3 people get shot?

Frankly I'm more likely to believe a person who at WORST is guilty of a misdemeanor worth a traffic ticket. Than I am a kid guilty of a felony.


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