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u/l bandwith
    #21834467 - 06/20/15 10:46 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)



i noticed earlier today that i was hitting 13.3MB/s download on utorrent and was momentarily impressed, like that's truly adequate bandwith for my needs..... but why god, why 12mbps up?  it all seems to be a conspiracy to get me to rent a seedbox :lol: 

why do you think ISPs hold back on upload?  my theory is they don't like us to share things..... who knows :shrug:


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Re: u/l bandwith [Re: CosmicJoke]
    #21835525 - 06/21/15 05:17 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

It started back in the day when end users first started getting high speed lines, and the lines were same down and up for stuff like DSL. Then users started hosting servers basically.  Back in those days it was big expensive business to 'host' stuff.  So a user hosting an FTP site, or his own website, was almost like a threat for many many obvious reasons.

On top of the things I already mentioned, most users dont need to SEND data very much.  TCP does so just because the way the protocol works and what not, but the amount coming in to you could be huge compared to the amount of packets you sent out in return.  Companies figure the majority of net users are just leechers effectively.  They check websites, download mail, stream movies to their computer but not from, etc.

I think when cable modems first started coming out there was also some techical reasons.  Not sure if the hardware or the protocol or both but in most of the US DSL started out being treated like ISDN or a T1/T3 style, same bandwidth for up and down.  Where as cable has always been high download, small upload.

Its changing now though because the nature of the technology beast.  Everyone is sending each other live video of their cats and babies and streaming to twitch, etc etc, and networks are pretty robust in blocking you from running "money generating services" like having a static IP to point your domain name at and running your own website, ftp server, chat server, etc etc etc.  And, most companies have 'business packages' that turn that shizzle on so you still can run a small business and host your own stuff if you want.


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Re: u/l bandwith [Re: mndfreeze]
    #21835529 - 06/21/15 05:19 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Oh I forgot to mention, on the bigger business side of things. backbones and carriers have different charging structures to link up to them, but USUALLY if you generate more traffic OUT you pay a lot more then sucking data in.  So your ISP pays more to their network hookups, which then pay more to theirs up the backbone or whatever.  (big enough networks usually have peering agreements, but you would never have a backbone as your "isp")

So its a money thing on the back end as well, which trickles down.


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Re: u/l bandwith [Re: mndfreeze]
    #21836506 - 06/21/15 11:14 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I dunno, Verizon Fios is out in suburbia here and they offer 50Mbps up, to me that seems very reasonable, and their prices are lower than Comcast.... but alas that's not a good enough reason to live in the suburbs :lol:


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Re: u/l bandwith [Re: CosmicJoke]
    #21841007 - 06/22/15 09:14 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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CosmicJoke said:
why do you think ISPs hold back on upload?



Because the majority of users download much more than they upload, which was even more the case before the whole p2p sharing thing emerged. Therefore, they reserved (and still do) a much larger part of the frequency spectrum for downstream traffic, sacrificing upstream capacity. With non-copper based technologies such as fiber to the home, this consideration becomes much less relevant and therefore you see that a lot of fiber ISP's offer symmetrical speeds.


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Re: u/l bandwith [Re: koraks]
    #21841636 - 06/22/15 01:07 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

It's not just p2p, it's all cloud services, complete backups with carbonite, etc.  1.2mbps up is just ridiculous for modern life.

Lo and behold out of nowhere CenturyLink just started offering 1gbps fiber w/ symmetry in my neighborhood.... It's $153/mo unless I bundle it with their sketchy looking TV service that piggybacks off the internet.... gonna cost me a lot if I want to keep my Tivo w/ Comcast and a separate ISP.  Oy.


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Re: u/l bandwith [Re: CosmicJoke]
    #21857561 - 06/25/15 10:08 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

More and more places will start offering larger upsteam services now that the average persons usage is switching to more outbound stuff, like I said with pictures and videos and whatever the fuck joe blow does besdes send dick pics.  Also the technology is built and well established for ISPs to easily block their customer base from hosting stuff they dont want them to.  So the old reasoning of small upload to prevent end users from hosting business type services isnt needed as much as it used to be.

You might want to look into what "business" plans the local companies offer as well.  They might have a small business or home business plan that gives you more options or more control over how your bandwidth is allocated then a normal consumer account.  Here in AZ many moons ago I had a business account with COX communications for my cable modem service because it was only like 20 bucks more a month then the top end consumer cable modem service, but gave me more upstream and opened up a shit ton of ports that they normally firewall off so I could point my domain directly at my home network and had static ip's.

Of course the downstream was like 2/3rds of what the consumer level account was, but that was the hit I had to take to be able to make it affordable for me.  Cox has long since cancelled the plan I was on but they do offer busines services and all, just costs more now and is segmented in a way that each feature tacks on more cost, but depending on how bad you want that increased upstream your local cable or phone company most likely has a package that would fit the bill.


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Re: u/l bandwith [Re: mndfreeze]
    #21857661 - 06/25/15 10:30 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

business plan is strangely not that fast w/ comcast, like 120mbps/20mbps.......
there's something called "extreme" which i've never seen before that is faster than what i have, apparently 150mbps down and 30mbps up...... for another $40..... not super impressed

thanks for thoughts man, gonna try and get the 1gbps symmetrical fiber through centurylink....


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Re: u/l bandwith [Re: CosmicJoke]
    #21857831 - 06/25/15 11:03 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

The fiber is the route I would go.  Phoenix got passed up for google fiber this year but I'm hoping in the next few it makes it in since Phoenix is a known test bed for technology.  Century link offers that fiber service here in AZ as well, though not in my specific neighborhood.  Just be wary of centurylink because at least here, they have been known to do some shady shit to their customers.


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