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Pinning?
    #21834034 - 06/20/15 09:13 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

hey guys, it's been 7 days since I introduced this tub to fruiting conditions and I'm starting to see knots like this in the corners of the casing, should I start fanning manually instead of using the dub tub tek? I mist about once a day because I have a small fan about 10ft from the tubs pointing at it for fae. I just want to make sure I didn't fuck anything up. From the stage of growth that I've desribed, about how long until I should be worried about seeing pins? The tub was introduced to fruiting cond 6 days into spawn run, the sub looked like this


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Re: Pinning? [Re: FuguFish]
    #21834133 - 06/20/15 09:37 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

this is a pic of the knoting I was referring to


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Re: Pinning? [Re: FuguFish]
    #21834200 - 06/20/15 09:49 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

For some reason i cannot expand both of these pictures to get a better look. 
Do you have a mono tub setup?

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The tub was introduced to fruiting cond 6 days into spawn run, the sub looked like this





6 days for a colonization run is very fast.  Even if the surface of the substrate looked like that on day 6, you should give it another 3-4 days to be sure the substrate is fully colonized.


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Re: Pinning? [Re: shroomyaxn]
    #21834214 - 06/20/15 09:53 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

i have a dub tub setup meaning two 6 qt tubs with polyfill on 4 sides of each tub for fae, i only introduced it to fruiting conditions because i saw small pools of water on the surface of the substrate and it appeared to be all white, anywho, do you think ive fucked myself and should start new jars, by that i mean does the fact that i cased the sub and introduced it to fruiting conditions after 6 days mean it wont pin?


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Re: Pinning? [Re: FuguFish]
    #21834256 - 06/20/15 10:01 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Did you snag that picture and caption from this webpage? :rolleyes:
https://www.shroomology.org/topic/8670-6-quart-dub-tub-mist-and-fan-bulk-tek/


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Re: Pinning? [Re: shroomyaxn]
    #21834286 - 06/20/15 10:08 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

indeed i did, the pic is not mine i just found it on the internet


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Re: Pinning? [Re: FuguFish]
    #21834305 - 06/20/15 10:11 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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I saw small pools of water on the surface of the substrate and it appeared to be all white



What day did you apply the casing layer?  On day 6?
After i see 100% colonization of the substrate I case with a 1/2" of 50/50+ casing mix.  Then i wait another 4-7days.  It usually takes that long for the mycelium to begin to encroach my casing layer.

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do you think ive fucked myself and should start new jars?





Start new jars, but keep this going until you see mold or bacteria set in. 

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does the fact that i cased the sub and introduced it to fruiting conditions after 6 days mean it wont pin?





It may pin, just wont be an even pinset if many at all.


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Re: Pinning? [Re: shroomyaxn]
    #21834339 - 06/20/15 10:19 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

would it be advisable to just mist and fan it?


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Re: Pinning? [Re: FuguFish]
    #21834388 - 06/20/15 10:28 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

i just followed the the dub tub and zombie tub tek. i guess ill just wait and see if the pin at all, if they don't pin within the next couple of days ill just toss em because i don't want to wait for them to get moldy to where i have to take extra precautions when disposing of the sub.


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Re: Pinning? [Re: FuguFish]
    #21834737 - 06/20/15 11:53 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

is it too late to throw the foil back on and let the myc colonize the casing a bit more?


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Re: Pinning? [Re: shroomyaxn]
    #21834796 - 06/21/15 12:05 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Did you snag that picture and caption from this webpage? :rolleyes:
https://www.shroomology.org/topic/8670-6-quart-dub-tub-mist-and-fan-bulk-tek/




That is the first tek I ever followed. :thumbup:


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Re: Pinning? [Re: insanemike]
    #21834843 - 06/21/15 12:16 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

curently i have been folowing this tek https://www.shroomology.org/topic/14-zombie-tubs/

do you think i should start misting and fanning instead of having polyfill and a fan for FAE, this is my first grow ever and im anxious that ive messed up my grow. after 6 days i cased the sub and introduced it to fruiting conditions because the top of the substrate looked fully colonized (couldnt see any of the coir color showing through). as you can see from one of my pictures the mycellium is knotting in the corners of the tub showing throw the casing in some parts. im just nervous and would like advise as to how i should proceed.


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Re: Pinning? [Re: FuguFish]
    #21834912 - 06/21/15 12:30 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I would not deter from the tek at all, follow it to a "T".


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Re: Pinning? [Re: insanemike]
    #21835419 - 06/21/15 03:55 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

So everything looks alright more or less? Thank you for your input btw guys, it's really appreciated


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Re: Pinning? [Re: FuguFish]
    #21835429 - 06/21/15 04:01 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

The substrate surface looks good but I'm just wondering where the holes stuffed with poly for FAE are.


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Re: Pinning? [Re: insanemike]
    #21837428 - 06/21/15 02:51 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

It's not pictured in the shot provided, it looks just like the zombie tub in the link I posted earlier, on average how long from the stage of growth I described should I see pins?


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Re: Pinning? [Re: FuguFish]
    #21837882 - 06/21/15 04:46 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

why waste your time on offsite teks when you have the entire shroomery at your disposal?


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Re: Pinning? [Re: spacechildo]
    #21838142 - 06/21/15 05:44 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

It is a scaled down version of the dub tub tek on shroomery


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Re: Pinning? [Re: FuguFish]
    #21838168 - 06/21/15 05:50 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

oh god I hope not!

envelope tyvek for grains, mp tape, glovebox (which they even say isnt needed), wipe needle with ISO only,
shoot a full cc, bucket tek'ing coffee and then it hurt my brain so bad I had to stop reading it.

I swear it happens every time I press a link from that site! :puke:


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Re: Pinning? [Re: spacechildo]
    #21838246 - 06/21/15 06:08 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

lol i followed the perfect grainspawn thing on youtube and looked at RR's posts. the only thing i took from that site was the size of the tubs used, the zombie tub or dub tub style of FC is also on shroomery, the only reason i went on that site was because they had the 50/50 casing ratios needed for those size tubs. the only thing i think i bungled was not inucubating the casing layer for 2-3 days, i just put it on top of the fully colonized sub and introduced to fruiting conditions. including today it has been 8 days and no pins so yea im starting to get a little worried


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Re: Pinning? [Re: FuguFish]
    #21838253 - 06/21/15 06:09 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

im just hopping i see at least 1 mushie  :frown:


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Re: Pinning? [Re: FuguFish]
    #21838266 - 06/21/15 06:13 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

if your spawn was clean I'm sure you'll get some! it didn't really look like the dub tub had proper FAE going judging by the pics tho,
other than that fruiting right after casing is fine and 8 days is normal.


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Re: Pinning? [Re: FuguFish]
    #21838301 - 06/21/15 06:19 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

http:// so as you can see the mycelium is poking out in a few places


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Re: Pinning? [Re: FuguFish]
    #21838625 - 06/21/15 07:30 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

this looks normal correct?


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Re: Pinning? [Re: FuguFish]
    #21839003 - 06/21/15 08:19 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

when should i start worrying about seeing pins?


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Re: Pinning? [Re: FuguFish]
    #21839048 - 06/21/15 08:25 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

im going yo open up the dub tub and start misting and fanning, i tihnk lack of fae might be my problem


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Re: Pinning? [Re: FuguFish]
    #21839162 - 06/21/15 08:46 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

upon opening one of the tubs i found that my casing layer was very wet, so i fanned it for a good 5 minutes and it was still wet, ill continue to fan until it appears moist and not wet, that may have been the problem for not seeing pins, correct me if im wrong, it takes about a week to see pins ( at least thats what im reading on shroomery grow logs)


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Re: Pinning? [Re: insanemike]
    #21839253 - 06/21/15 09:02 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Quote:

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Did you snag that picture and caption from this webpage? :rolleyes:
https://www.shroomology.org/topic/8670-6-quart-dub-tub-mist-and-fan-bulk-tek/




That is the first tek I ever followed. :thumbup:



Same here, great tek for noobies!! :bigyesnod:


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Re: Pinning? [Re: Psilosoulful]
    #21839365 - 06/21/15 09:21 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

if my sub was too wet to induce pinning for a week then i fanned it back to the optimum moisture content will it start to pin?


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Re: Pinning? [Re: FuguFish]
    #21839496 - 06/21/15 09:50 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

because in the first 8 days of fruiting i had set it up like a zombie tub or double monotub ( tub on top taped to tub on bottom both with 4 sides polyfill for FAE) one of the tubs got combweb which i remedied with a misting of h202, and the other was fine, so now i have a fan pointing at the tub about 10 ft away just so when i put my hand by the tubs i feel a light breeze. and one tub im going to follow the mist and fan tek because the surface of the sub looked a lil wet. so im going to give it a crazy amount of fae while keeping the casing layer moist. If you cant already tell, im freaking out that my tubs have probably died due to lack of proper FAE in this past week, however the mycellium looks white and fluffy and is poking through the casing layer around the edges and corners of the tub. I JUST WANT ONE damn mushroom so i can say this grow was somewhat successfull. I have another tub in a TIT right now colonizing as a back up.


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Re: Pinning? [Re: FuguFish]
    #21839552 - 06/21/15 10:00 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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because in the first 8 days of fruiting i had set it up like a zombie tub or double monotub ( tub on top taped to tub on bottom both with 4 sides polyfill for FAE) one of the tubs got combweb which i remedied with a misting of h202, and the other was fine, so now i have a fan pointing at the tub about 10 ft away just so when i put my hand by the tubs i feel a light breeze. and one tub im going to follow the mist and fan tek because the surface of the sub looked a lil wet. so im going to give it a crazy amount of fae while keeping the casing layer moist. If you cant already tell, im freaking out that my tubs have probably died due to lack of proper FAE in this past week, however the mycellium looks white and fluffy and is poking through the casing layer around the edges and corners of the tub. I JUST WANT ONE damn mushroom so i can say this grow was somewhat successfull. I have another tub in a TIT right now colonizing as a back up.



Yeah, watch out for that cobweb mold, it can sneak up on you! Also, just give it time man sounds like you have adequate FAE. Good luck :smile:


Edited by Psilosoulful (06/21/15 10:02 PM)


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Re: Pinning? [Re: Psilosoulful]
    #21839987 - 06/21/15 11:43 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

so you think it will pin within the next couple of days?


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Re: Pinning? [Re: FuguFish]
    #21840230 - 06/22/15 12:51 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

you want 2 top holes on the short sides of the tub as well stuffed loosely with poly.


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Re: Pinning? [Re: spacechildo]
    #21840363 - 06/22/15 01:43 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

they are, sorry if i came off as a bit of an ass the first few posts im just extremely pissed that two of my tubs currently might not pin. im aggrivated becasue i thought i did everything right, the substrate was fully colonized, i had perfect grain spawn, the tubs were built to spec, and i have a fan in the room circulating air near the tubs... i just dont get it. :confused:


Edited by FuguFish (06/22/15 02:27 AM)


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Re: Pinning? [Re: FuguFish]
    #21840661 - 06/22/15 05:10 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Don't get worried, they'll fruit when there ready. As long as there are no foul smells or any signs of mold, I would continue to let them do their thing. Patients is one of the most important aspects of growing.


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Re: Pinning? [Re: insanemike]
    #21841014 - 06/22/15 09:18 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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I just put it on top of the fully colonized sub and introduced to fruiting conditions. including today it has been 8 days and no pins so yea i'm starting to get a little worried



Next time do not introduce to fruiting conditions until mycelium is poking up through the casing layer, 20-30% or so. 

But pins can take up to 7-10 days to appear, so do not worry too much.

About how deep is your casing layer?


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Re: Pinning? [Re: shroomyaxn]
    #21841078 - 06/22/15 09:46 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

It should still work, keep fanning and keep an eye on the moisture. Also since you didn't let it colonize through the casing enough you might not see the knots or pins at first. Just be patient


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Re: Pinning? [Re: Trickyricky217]
    #21842096 - 06/22/15 03:38 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

The casing layer is about 3/8 inches thick, thanks for all the support guys


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Re: Pinning? [Re: FuguFish]
    #21842144 - 06/22/15 03:54 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

http:// this the tub that I'm not fanning with polyfill, from the area where condensation hasn't collected, do you guys think there's enough fae?


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Re: Pinning? [Re: FuguFish]
    #21842539 - 06/22/15 05:51 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

The poly in the bottom holes look a little loose. Are there beads of water on the surface of your substrate? An aerial pic would be nice.:wink:


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    #21842876 - 06/22/15 07:11 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: Pinning? [Re: insanemike]
    #21842908 - 06/22/15 07:17 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

its rare for tubs not to fruit at all correct? assuming that there was proper temperature and airflow?, the casing was more than moist for the first week, and now im keeping it at a perpetual moistre level of saturated, but not highly saturated, ie moist to the point where any more moisture would lead to it looking "wet"


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Re: Pinning? [Re: FuguFish]
    #21842959 - 06/22/15 07:28 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

If the substrate has a bacterial infection, it can take a while or not fruit at all. Sometimes in the case of bacteria, trich is never too far behind.


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Re: Pinning? [Re: insanemike]
    #21843058 - 06/22/15 07:48 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

well upon looking up the beginnings of trichoderma, i can conclude that my substrate does not have trich just by looking at the white mycelial growth; secondly i have smelled my substrate and the only scent it is giving off is the scent when i spawned my grain to coir and gypsum, almost ordorless, but a hint of mushroom smell.


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Re: Pinning? [Re: FuguFish]
    #21843270 - 06/22/15 08:28 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Then everything is good, only thing left to do is be patient.


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