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Not really. I just think you like to over simplify things because it wraps up with a nice little bow. The truth is War is Hell and usually there are far more sides to the die than is visible after being cast. But go ahead spouting rhetoric it seems to fit you well.
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Re: What do you think of the Confederate flag? [Re: Stonehenge]
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BlindSophist said: It's a symbol of unrepentant anti-black racism and white supremacy... anybody who denies this is fronting for those movements, whether they realize it or not.
Many blacks fought under the confederate flag.
Call him on his pc bullshit.
Hark, hear I the stammering battle cry of the race-baiting hypocrite? Take your double-faced concern trolling elsewhere.
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Aw, did something hit home and the racist troll got butt hurt? Cry me a river, its all true.
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Some people suggest the same for the current US flag, they also add global oppressive war machine and other crazy ideas, should we get rid of the current US flag?
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Re: What do you think of the Confederate flag? [Re: Stonehenge]
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Take it back to the Rachel Dolezal thread, where nobody cares anymore. That is the only sort of space you are fit to occupy.
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Actually it seems to me there was far more at stake in that war than race. The very intention of the constitutional convention was at stake and plenty of southerners would be damned to see those states rights taken for granted. Alas that this isn't taught in schools, but here we are.
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Re: What do you think of the Confederate flag? [Re: TheGreenArrow]
#21845970 - 06/23/15 01:05 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Red, White, and Blue are the only colors I see. I love it in form. Hate it in function.
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Re: What do you think of the Confederate flag? [Re: qman]
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Some people suggest the same for the current US flag, they also add global oppressive war machine and other crazy ideas, should we get rid of the current US flag?
I actually agree with that, the US is built upon a foundation of white supremacy. All of her achievements as a nation stand atop the backs and the bones of non-white people.
Still, if we are discussing difference by degrees here, the Confederate flag is undeniably worse.
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Re: What do you think of the Confederate flag? [Re: Stonehenge]
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BlindSophist said: It's a symbol of unrepentant anti-black racism and white supremacy... anybody who denies this is fronting for those movements, whether they realize it or not.
Many blacks fought under the confederate flag.
Call him on his pc bullshit. Good job. The pc crowd are the biggest racists of all and of course call everyone else a racist if they don't agree with the pc lies and crap.
Were those blacks white supremacists too? No one forced them to fight, they fought for what they believed in.
Too bad black confederate soldiers are almost entirely myths. There weren't very many of them and they came as slaves alongside their masters or they came as free men due to religious purposes (The Catholic Church at the time was sympathetic to the South's cause). There certainly weren't very many of them doing it voluntarily and especially few of them that had any true loyalty to the South. The Confederates didn't provide arms or uniforms...fuck, they didn't even authorize mustering up black people for the confederate army until the very last month of the war.
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What about the backs of Irishmen who were paid less than 1/3 of what other men were paid? Their children starving come to the new world to fight in a civil war not of their homeland to send enough money back to stave off the harshness of real life? Are they to be discounted as well? This is more than just a "race" issue, it's a class issue.
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Re: What do you think of the Confederate flag? [Re: TheGreenArrow]
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You are trying to talk sense to a retard, a waste of time. I see he is melting down nicely, they usually do when their lies are exposed.
Yes, there were blacks who fought for the confederacy, though the pc nuts try to deny it. Obviously the war was not about slavery, it was about states rights but the usual kooks try to twist everything around.
Slavery was a bad idea, it did not make even economic sense and now we are paying a heavy price for it. The sins of the fathers being passed down.
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Re: What do you think of the Confederate flag? [Re: Stonehenge]
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She but other than that I agree.
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BlindSophist said: It's a symbol of unrepentant anti-black racism and white supremacy... anybody who denies this is fronting for those movements, whether they realize it or not.
Some people suggest the same for the current US flag, they also add global oppressive war machine and other crazy ideas, should we get rid of the current US flag?
I actually agree with that, the US is built upon a foundation of white supremacy. All of her achievements as a nation stand atop the backs and the bones of non-white people.
Still, if we are discussing difference by degrees here, the Confederate flag is undeniably worse.
"All of her achievements as a nation stand atop the backs and bones of non-white people"

Not even close, all non-whites should be very thankful for even living in the US today, white people are 100% responsible for this nation.
If non-whites are so industrious and ambitious building power nations, what the fuck happened to Africa?
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Re: What do you think of the Confederate flag? [Re: Cj-B]
#21846023 - 06/23/15 01:17 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Civil war was about expanding the power of the federal government first and foremost. The confederate flag reprisents states rights and limited government. The federal unionists used slavery as a rallying cry yes but their true intentions were to bring the southern states under the thumb of tge federal government.
To me the attack on the confederate flag seems nore like people trying to eliminate a symbol of government dessent and resistance, ironically agaun peolle are using racism as a rallying cry, but I'm 100% sure that there are boot licking statists out there who are eager to eliminate the flag as a symbol of resistance against the government.
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Re: What do you think of the Confederate flag? [Re: Herbologist]
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Many blacks fought under the confederate flag.
This is complete revisionist history.
Black were allowed to fight for the confederacy starting about 40 days before the end of the war. None saw action on the battlefield.
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Re: What do you think of the Confederate flag? [Re: koods]
#21846034 - 06/23/15 01:23 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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People in the north also owned slaves
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Re: What do you think of the Confederate flag? [Re: Shins]
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Shins said: Civil war was about expanding the power of the federal government first and foremost. The confederate flag reprisents states rights and limited government. The federal unionists used slavery as a rallying cry yes but their true intentions were to bring the southern states under the thumb of tge federal government.
To me the attack on the confederate flag seems nore like people trying to eliminate a symbol of government dessent and resistance, ironically agaun peolle are using racism as a rallying cry, but I'm 100% sure that there are boot licking statists out there who are eager to eliminate the flag as a symbol of resistance against the government.
The civil war was about the southern states being able to keep slaves. People who believe it was about anything else are fucking retards who need to go back to elementary school.
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Re: What do you think of the Confederate flag? [Re: TheGreenArrow]
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TheGreenArrow said: What about the backs of Irishmen who were paid less than 1/3 of what other men were paid? Their children starving come to the new world to fight in a civil war not of their homeland to send enough money back to stave off the harshness of real life? Are they to be discounted as well? This is more than just a "race" issue, it's a class issue.
Did you know that the Irish weren't considered white at that time, either? Hate to break it to you but race is a social construct with definitions and boundaries which change over time, though you're right to point out that class is relevant to this conversation.
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Re: What do you think of the Confederate flag? [Re: Shins]
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Shins said: Civil war was about expanding the power of the federal government first and foremost. The confederate flag reprisents states rights and limited government. The federal unionists used slavery as a rallying cry yes but their true intentions were to bring the southern states under the thumb of tge federal government.
To me the attack on the confederate flag seems nore like people trying to eliminate a symbol of government dessent and resistance, ironically agaun peolle are using racism as a rallying cry, but I'm 100% sure that there are boot licking statists out there who are eager to eliminate the flag as a symbol of resistance against the government.
Very well said, shins. You summed it up so nicely even the 'tards should be able to grasp it. Should but won't.
qman >Not even close, all non-whites should be very thankful for even living in the US today, white people are 100% responsible for this nation.
>If non-whites are so industrious and ambitious building power nations, what the fuck happened to Africa?
We aren't supposed to mention Africa since that puts the lie to so many myths they try to tell us. SA for example, went into the shitter after black rule was enforced by mobs. Zimbabwe, as well, Nigeria, etc etc. Any of you pc people want to move there?
I didn't think so.
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Re: What do you think of the Confederate flag? [Re: Shins]
#21846062 - 06/23/15 01:28 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Shins said: People in the north also owned slaves
If they did , it was illegal. It was legal in the south, and when that legality was threatened, the southern states attacked the federal government in an act of treason.
Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort. No person shall be convicted of treason unless on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act, or on confession in open court.
The confederate flag is symbol of racism and treason. And being losers.
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