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Re: What do you think of the Cornfederate flag? [Re: Stonehenge]
    #21884445 - 07/01/15 07:06 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Calm down, wan. I respect your opinion but rxb has shown at times he is not a brainless left winger. He may have changed or I may be wrong, but lets hear him out on the subject. Most of the race based violence is done by blacks, maybe that is what he means?



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Re: What do you think of the Cornfederate flag? [Re: Stonehenge]
    #21884506 - 07/01/15 07:16 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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What about rioting and looting when something happens you don't like? What about then going around and attacking people the same color as someone who did what you didn't like? Lets talk about that.




i think that was pushback for a lot of illegal stuff that has happened in those communities...

illegal things by people who are "above them" in the power structure.

and i think this country is founded on overthrowing authorities that get out of line.

black churches are hardly an authority to a white supremacist.

the difference here, is people minding their own business, hated for their being there... vs people of authority coming into their community and abusing them.

and i dont even think the police issue is a white/black/color thing.

i think its a police are getting out of control in a lot of ways and theres going to be blowback in a lot of ways.

that said.... i dont specifically agree with the riots at all.


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Re: What do you think of the Confederate flag? [Re: rxb]
    #21884576 - 07/01/15 07:21 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

i think abuse of authority is as "anti-american" as you can be...

i think that if i have a job, i need the best person for the job, and it would be better for me (and us all) if some idiot didnt kill that person because their skin was the wrong color.


thats called being a conservative. (im sorry that word has been so misused by other people, im bringing it back)


now if you believe that somehow, some white guy, who has no claim to the land a church is on, is somehow justified in burning down a church because he doesnt like the color of the people who attend it... then you are a fucking moron.

if you believe that a black guy has a right to stab a white guy for walking in his neighborhood, you are also a moron.

believing the color of someone's skin is so important that you should feel violated by their existence/ presence / etc... makes you a moron.



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Re: What do you think of the Confederate flag? [Re: rxb]
    #21884758 - 07/01/15 08:00 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

What white guy burned what church? Ever heard of black on black crime? Probably more black churches are burned by blacks than whites. Probably more white churches too but that gets no ink from the media. They only want to trumpet the pc meme about whites being no good and minorities being wonderful.

Are you for or against aa and other race based handouts? Is it racist or not?


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Re: What do you think of the Confederate flag? [Re: Stonehenge]
    #21884861 - 07/01/15 08:21 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

if its a black guy buring a black church its probably not because of the color of their skin,

its still moronic.


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Re: What do you think of the Confederate flag? [Re: rxb]
    #21884865 - 07/01/15 08:23 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

if you get something because you are AA, then thats racist oppression to everyone who is not AA and that is stupid but i can make a pretty sound economical argument for it, in a sane society (which we dont have)


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Re: What do you think of the Confederate flag? [Re: Stonehenge] * 1
    #21886107 - 07/02/15 02:10 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Probably more black churches are burned by blacks than whites. Probably more white churches too but that gets no ink from the media.




Other than the racism quirk in you, go anything to back up this hunch of yours? Actual church burning facts from reputablec sources? You love crime statistics so this should be easy for you.


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Re: What do you think of the Cornfederate flag? [Re: Dr. P. Silocybin]
    #21886632 - 07/02/15 07:23 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Sure it has been happening for years, but since the murders in Charleston they have increased. 8 black churches have burnt down in the past two weeks.




you think that maybe this is the work of people that support the murder of black
people or could it be a response to the knee jerk reaction to ban a flag because
some guy that shot some black people happened to have  a confederate flag...
maybe it's possible that a number of them were done by none other than the people
of the church, after all, churches are big business, some can pull in millions on
any given sunday, they have insurance on these tax free money maker so the church
will be rebuilt but look at how donations will pour in to help rebuild, loot at
all the support these churches will get, all the publicity and the increase in
congregation size with the new mega stadium church that will be rebuilt in it's place

how could churches possibly burn, doesnt god protect them? maybe he wanted them
burned and this is merely god's will, maybe god sent arsonists to burn the
churches because you know, god works in mysterious ways... like insurance fraud


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Re: What do you think of the Cornfederate flag? [Re: Asante] * 1
    #21886637 - 07/02/15 07:26 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I notice the dutch slavery flag has lots of red in it.




You mean the Dutch national flag?





yes, the flag that symbolizes 600 years of slavery and oppression and bigotry against blacks


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Re: What do you think of the Cornfederate flag? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #21886698 - 07/02/15 07:50 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

It does yes and the flag symbolizes it. Red (yin) on top. White (yin) in the middle. Blue (Yang) at the bottom.

Trust me Prisoner I live in this culture and its true in more ways than you can study up on. Holland has got many things ALL WRONG. We were one of the worst offenders in the slave trade. Our scumbaggery supplied the slaves and made so many die in the Middle Passage. We handed them over to you.

The USA was Dutch once. Your red white and blue indirectly came from ours.

We exchanged New Amsterdam *waves at Zappaisgod* for The Surinam and became plantation owners ourselves.

In 1975 they became independent. 1975 it stopped being a colony, thats way past the civil rights era in the US.

I lived back then, and in fact my best childhood friend was someone who's parents chose to move to Holland just prior to independence.

He has ALS now, I mentioned this before :frown:

But yes you rub my nations slavery past in my face and by all means rub the soot in my face because we WERE wrong and ARE wrong to this day. Case in point:



You guys did away with blackface in, what, the 1930s?

I'm not holier than thou but determined to deconstruct and if possible make amends for every wrong turn in my mind and I try to help those around me, though we are all entitled to make our own mistakes.

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Re: What do you think of the Cornfederate flag? [Re: Asante]
    #21886792 - 07/02/15 08:29 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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It does yes and the flag symbolizes it. Red (yin) on top. White (yin) in the middle. Blue (Yang) at the bottom.

Trust me Prisoner I live in this culture and its true in more ways than you can study up on. Holland has got many things ALL WRONG. We were one of the worst offenders in the slave trade. Our scumbaggery supplied the slaves and made so many die in the Middle Passage. We handed them over to you.






where's the protests, why arent there demands to do away with the holiday
traditions, why no cries to lynch the white people and remove the flag? is
this only suitable for the US

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thanks but no thanks, I dont need someone to watch after me and tell me it's
for my own good, I am more than capable of taking care of myself, I've been
doing it for at least the last few weeks and everything has been working out
fine. my gun hasnt stalked and murdered anyone, my flag hasnt burned crosses
on someone's front lawn. they seem to be well behaved for inanimate objects. I
attribute that to a good upbringing

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I'm not holier than thou but determined to deconstruct and if possible make amends for every wrong turn in my mind and I try to help those around me, though we are all entitled to make our own mistakes.





maybe these things are better relegated to your own mind and should only
encroach onto others when those others have actually committed a crime, then
punish the crime, not the thought as that's what society is trying to become,
the thought police... those are the ones I will rebel against


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Re: What do you think of the Cornfederate flag? [Re: Asante]
    #21887030 - 07/02/15 09:23 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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We exchanged New Amsterdam *waves at Zappaisgod* for The Surinam and became plantation owners ourselves.




New Amsterdam and it's influence on America is the greatest accomplishment of the Dutch.  Have you ever read this book?

http://www.historynet.com/the-island-at-the-center-of-the-world-the-epic-story-of-dutch-manhattan-and-the-forgotten-colony-that-shaped-america-book-review.htm


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Re: What do you think of the Cornfederate flag? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #21887061 - 07/02/15 09:28 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Dr. P. Silocybin said:
Sure it has been happening for years, but since the murders in Charleston they have increased. 8 black churches have burnt down in the past two weeks.




you think that maybe this is the work of people that support the murder of black
people or could it be a response to the knee jerk reaction to ban a flag because
some guy that shot some black people happened to have  a confederate flag...



I'd bet that they were motivated by the recent anti-confederate movement, but I don't see much difference between people who support the confederacy and people who support murdering black people. Anyone who would burn down a predominantly black church to protest the protests against the confederate flag, but wouldn't support murdering black people must be woefully confused. If these fires were set by people in response to the flag protests then I have to assume those people view Dyllan Roof as a hero.

Why is everyone talking about this in terms of a ban? I have heard no one talk about banning the flag, except those who are pro-confederacy. We just want it removed from public land, and we want the private citizens who choose to fly it to understand that they are flying a symbol of treason in the name of protecting slavery. We want people to know that it is the murderers and arsonists who's actions truly represent the heritage of the confederacy.


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Re: What do you think of the Cornfederate flag? [Re: Dr. P. Silocybin]
    #21887131 - 07/02/15 09:43 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Prisoner#1 said:
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Dr. P. Silocybin said:
Sure it has been happening for years, but since the murders in Charleston they have increased. 8 black churches have burnt down in the past two weeks.




you think that maybe this is the work of people that support the murder of black
people or could it be a response to the knee jerk reaction to ban a flag because
some guy that shot some black people happened to have  a confederate flag...



I'd bet that they were motivated by the recent anti-confederate movement, but I don't see much difference between people who support the confederacy and people who support murdering black people. Anyone who would burn down a predominantly black church to protest the protests against the confederate flag, but wouldn't support murdering black people must be woefully confused. If these fires were set by people in response to the flag protests then I have to assume those people view Dyllan Roof as a hero.

Why is everyone talking about this in terms of a ban? I have heard no one talk about banning the flag, except those who are pro-confederacy. We just want it removed from public land, and we want the private citizens who choose to fly it to understand that they are flying a symbol of treason in the name of protecting slavery. We want people to know that it is the murderers and arsonists who's actions truly represent the heritage of the confederacy.




"understand that they are flying a symbol of treason in the name of protecting slavery"

So you want them to believe what YOU THINK the flag represents. I guess you don't believe in freedom.

"people to know that it is the murderers and arsonists who's actions truly represent the heritage of the confederacy"

:lolwut: 
So with that line of reasoning, the black people that rioted in Ferguson and Baltimore represent the blacks who peacefully fought for civil rights, it makes no sense.


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Re: What do you think of the Cornfederate flag? [Re: Asante]
    #21887170 - 07/02/15 09:48 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

You got so many things wrong its amazing. Well, not amazing for you.

> Red (yin) on top. White (yin) in the middle. Blue (Yang) at the bottom.

Wrong, as I showed yesterday, red is yang and blue is yin.

>The USA was Dutch once.

Wrong again, usa was never dutch. That photo of santa and his negro helper is cute. But you want the helper to be a real negro? I agree, it would create more jobs for blacks.

Lets see some evidence the churches were burned by whites as your "hunch" tells you? They probably burned them themselves, the black people to get more sympathy and donations.


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Re: What do you think of the Cornfederate flag? [Re: Dr. P. Silocybin]
    #21887207 - 07/02/15 09:56 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Prisoner#1 said:
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Dr. P. Silocybin said:
Sure it has been happening for years, but since the murders in Charleston they have increased. 8 black churches have burnt down in the past two weeks.




you think that maybe this is the work of people that support the murder of black
people or could it be a response to the knee jerk reaction to ban a flag because
some guy that shot some black people happened to have  a confederate flag...



I'd bet that they were motivated by the recent anti-confederate movement, but I don't see much difference between people who support the confederacy and people who support murdering black people. Anyone who would burn down a predominantly black church to protest the protests against the confederate flag, but wouldn't support murdering black people must be woefully confused. If these fires were set by people in response to the flag protests then I have to assume those people view Dyllan Roof as a hero.





right, and there's no chance that some opportunistic bottom feeders set fire to
their own church for publicity, support and money. I mean people are way above
that sort of thing given that the flag is the center of a controversy that was
established with a murder. mental illness should never come into the picture

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Why is everyone talking about this in terms of a ban? I have heard no one talk about banning the flag, except those who are pro-confederacy. We just want it removed from public land, and we want the private citizens who choose to fly it to understand that they are flying a symbol of treason in the name of protecting slavery. We want people to know that it is the murderers and arsonists who's actions truly represent the heritage of the confederacy.




isnt removing it from the state house and other government lands in fact a ban?
I mean it's flown for decades, more than a century in some cases but now it's
being removed to never be flown again in those locations. are you telling me
that it's not a ban when these locations are now told they're banned from
flying that flag? can I carry my confederate flag (I dont actually own a
confederate or an american flag) to these state or federal lands?



it's crazy how now the flag is controversial because of  a killing, about 15
years ago it came under fire in georgia because some asshole was butthurt and
demanded the state changed the flag and all the while stone mountain has flown
it in predominantly black areas  and no one has raised a stink about it until
recently

http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/local/story/2015/jun/30/embattled-rebel-flag-reassessed-georgias-stone-mountain/312343/

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Clarkston's population in 2010 was 58 percent black, 22 percent Asian and 14 percent white, according to the city's website and Census figures. The city of Stone Mountain's population was about 75 percent black and 17 percent white, according to 2010 Census data.

Well before the South Carolina shootings sparked renewed controversy over Confederate flags, Byrne, 39, created a website aimed at capturing some of the stories of people she's met on the trails at Stone Mountain Park.





maybe these people should just get their heads out of their asses and realize
that there's some fucking hurtful things in the world and removing flags wont
stop murders, wont change history and it clearly wont ease the butthurt

dont you think it's time we removed the US flag as well since it symbolizes the
aggression, oppression and hatred of america. it stands for murder, genocide
and slavery. it is in fact the battle flag of the united states and as we all
know, the US loves to murder innocent brown people


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Re: What do you think of the Cornfederate flag? [Re: Stonehenge] * 1
    #21887223 - 07/02/15 09:59 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

New York was very much so.  The USA didn't come into existence until much later but the influence lingered quite a bit.  A lot of the towns around here have Dutch names.  Peekskill is one and the Tappan Zee is also Dutch.  There are many examples.


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Re: What do you think of the Cornfederate flag? [Re: qman]
    #21887248 - 07/02/15 10:06 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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So you want them to believe what YOU THINK the flag represents. I guess you don't believe in freedom.

"people to know that it is the murderers and arsonists who's actions truly represent the heritage of the confederacy"

:lolwut: 
So with that line of reasoning, the black people that rioted in Ferguson and Baltimore represent the blacks who peacefully fought for civil rights, it makes no sense.



It's not what I think, it's what the confederates thought. They said time and time again that they were seceding to protect slavery. There is a big difference between correcting revisionist history and not believing in freedom. You are free to think that flag represents states rights, or unicorn farts, whatever, you are wrong. It represents slavery. More people need to understand this because it's important that we as a society understand our history.

I do see the protests in Ferguson and Baltimore and everywhere as a direct continuation of the civil rights movement. Both then and now there were both peaceful and violent protests/riots.


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Re: What do you think of the Cornfederate flag? [Re: Stonehenge]
    #21887258 - 07/02/15 10:08 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Wrong again, usa was never dutch.





would that be because the Unites States didnt exist until 1776?


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Re: What do you think of the Cornfederate flag? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #21887281 - 07/02/15 10:13 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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New York was very much so. 




New Hamsterdam may have belonged to the dutch, New Orange belonged to the Dutch
but New York belonged to the British

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The USA didn't come into existence until much later but the influence lingered quite a bit.  A lot of the towns around here have Dutch names.  Peekskill is one and the Tappan Zee is also Dutch.  There are many examples.





Peekskill, I know a lot of Peeks, I think that name needs to be changed before
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