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Re: What do you think of the Confederate flag? [Re: ballsalsa]
    #21872798 - 06/29/15 10:33 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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also this

https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/ninth_amendment

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The Ninth Amendment was James Madison’s attempt to ensure that the Bill of Rights was not seen as granting to the people of the United States only the specific rights it addressed.  In recent years, some have interpreted it as affirming the existence of such “unenumerated” rights outside those expressly protected by the Bill of Rights.



Amendment IX

The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.





like the right of black people to be considered people rather than property.
slavery is not a state right




is it an individual right?


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Re: What do you think of the Confederate flag? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #21872846 - 06/29/15 10:46 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

to be considered a human being and treated as such under the constitution?
yes


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Re: What do you think of the Confederate flag? [Re: ballsalsa]
    #21873578 - 06/29/15 01:07 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Texas has written in its state Constitution the right to legally secede from the union...


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Re: What do you think of the Confederate flag? [Re: TheGreenArrow]
    #21873897 - 06/29/15 02:38 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah I think the biggest mistake the North made in the Civil war was allowing Texas back in.


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Re: What do you think of the Confederate flag? [Re: nicechrisman] * 1
    #21873967 - 06/29/15 02:57 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

:derfase:


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Re: What do you think of the Confederate flag? [Re: Asante]
    #21874356 - 06/29/15 04:48 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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dude, that's fucked




Whats fucked is that polio was so horribly prevalent and gruesome that people sprayed whole cities with DDT, and now we have Polio Vaccine and people are bitching about vaccines. Take your damn shot people. Polio is the problem.

The Confederate flag represents the Polio of our time, the division that dug trenches in hearts of people and might lead to another civil war.

Tear Down This Flag.




I don't think they sprayed DDT to combat polio.  It was for malaria.


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Re: What do you think of the Confederate flag? [Re: TheGreenArrow]
    #21874522 - 06/29/15 05:23 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

and state constitutions are superseded by the United Sates Constitution. :shrug:

Texas isn't going anywhere, but if they tried, you can bet your ass that there would be repercussions


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Re: What do you think of the Confederate flag? [Re: ballsalsa]
    #21874638 - 06/29/15 05:48 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Perhaps.  But Texas is probably one of the only states who's econonomy could survive on its own.  :shrug:  I'm not saying we would ever secede, but if we did it'd be one hell of a fight.


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Re: What do you think of the Confederate flag? [Re: Prisoner#1] * 2
    #21874677 - 06/29/15 05:55 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: What do you think of the Confederate flag? [Re: TheGreenArrow]
    #21874711 - 06/29/15 06:00 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Perhaps.  But Texas is probably one of the only states who's econonomy could survive on its own.  :shrug:  I'm not saying we would ever secede, but if we did it'd be one hell of a fight.




yeah, Texas, California, New York, and maybe Florida have the economies to secede, but don't kid yourself, Texas wouldn't put up much of a fight.  It's not like you have your own standing army.  Texans could maybe keep up an insurgency while under occupation for awhile, but more than likely would eventually capitualate, since there would be no real benefit to the citizens in a prolonged guerrilla action


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Re: What do you think of the Confederate flag? [Re: ballsalsa]
    #21874722 - 06/29/15 06:02 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)



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Re: What do you think of the Confederate flag? [Re: nicechrisman]
    #21874761 - 06/29/15 06:09 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

No need to fight, simply declare independence and tell the feds to fuck off. The mistake the confederates made was going to war.


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Re: What do you think of the Confederate flag? [Re: zappaisgod] * 1
    #21875469 - 06/29/15 08:27 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Asante said:
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Shroomopotamus said:
dude, that's fucked




Whats fucked is that polio was so horribly prevalent and gruesome that people sprayed whole cities with DDT, and now we have Polio Vaccine and people are bitching about vaccines. Take your damn shot people. Polio is the problem.

The Confederate flag represents the Polio of our time, the division that dug trenches in hearts of people and might lead to another civil war.

Tear Down This Flag.




I don't think they sprayed DDT to combat polio.  It was for malaria.





the also did it for polio because some of the routes of transmission were
thought to be insect bites such as bedbugs and mosquitoes because they
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Re: What do you think of the Confederate flag? [Re: Stonehenge] * 2
    #21875493 - 06/29/15 08:31 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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No need to fight, simply declare independence and tell the feds to fuck off. The mistake the confederates made was going to war.




Then why do they call it "the war of northern aggression"? could it be that the southern side distorts everything about the war, from its reasons to its history?


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Re: What do you think of the Confederate flag? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #21876140 - 06/29/15 11:45 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

to be fair, there was plenty of aggression from the north in that war.  Sherman's March to the Sea was a brilliant example of strategic maneuvre and yielded brilliant results leading to the capitulation of the South.  even before Appomattox, the southern army was deserting in droves. after all, shermans raiders were pillaging their homes(you know, where their wives and children are)  Unfortunately for the south, sherman's concept of total war, led him to destroy much of the southern infrastructure especially railway lines. In order for his plan to work, he had to break away from his own railways(his line of supply)and disperse a portion of his army as a mobile raiding force who gathered supplies from the locals within a radius of his march.  This caused massive hardship for many people whose only crime was living in the confederacy, and naturally, since famine strikes soldier and infant alike, some hard feelings were harbored.  The south still has not completely recovered from that war, which i think is what led to a widespread sort of spiteful racism in the south.  Its as if the confederates realized they were bested in war, and thus were forced to obey the letter of the law(no more slaves), but that didn't mean they had to obey the spirit of it(treat black people like people).  That defiance was passed down through a heritage of honoring the confederate flag and those who fought under it.

thats my take on it anyway
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Re: What do you think of the Confederate flag? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #21876157 - 06/29/15 11:52 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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No need to fight, simply declare independence and tell the feds to fuck off. The mistake the confederates made was going to war.




Then why do they call it "the war of northern aggression"? could it be that the southern side distorts everything about the war, from its reasons to its history?






um... because the south said "fuck you guys, we're going home" and the north said
"screw that, we're kicking your ass and taking your ball"


care to tell us how the south distorted it


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Re: What do you think of the Confederate flag? [Re: Patlal]
    #21876251 - 06/30/15 12:48 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I'm Mexican but I like the flag, what would America be without these confederates? Just leave them be it's part of history so it's pretty chill.


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Re: What do you think of the Confederate flag? [Re: aler]
    #21876262 - 06/30/15 12:53 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I'm Mexican but I like the flag, what would America be without these confederates? Just leave them be it's part of history so it's pretty chill.





as crazy as it sounds, a lot of people think "mexican" is a dirty word when
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Re: What do you think of the Confederate flag? [Re: aler]
    #21876280 - 06/30/15 01:07 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I'm Mexican but I like the flag, what would America be without these confederates? Just leave them be it's part of history so it's pretty chill.




probably better off. i mean, the civil war was one of the bloodiest in recorded history.  it literally pitted brother against brother. it completely destroyed the infrastructure of a huge region of the country(and they still haven't fully recovered). What if the south had played ball by the rules they agreed to in the first place? no civil war. no enmity between north and south that persists to this day. possibly a quicker move towards normalization of treatment to blacks.(maybe a slower one in the north? but faster in the south? i dunno, i'm just conjecturing at this point)
i still stand by my first point though, as a nation we would almost certainly have been better off without the confederacy having ever existed.


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Re: What do you think of the Cornfederate flag? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #21876460 - 06/30/15 03:18 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I don't think they sprayed DDT to combat polio.  It was for malaria.




Nope thats where you err, the video said Polio. Its still used against malaria in the tropics but they'll find something better I'm sure.

America had a president with polio at the time DDT became popular so that no doubt helped the campaign along.


Also, Cornfederates.

I just made that up, see what you do with it. Amazing what one letter can do with a word.

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