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Re: What do you think of the Confederate flag? [Re: Asante] * 1
    #21860322 - 06/26/15 02:17 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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What I think of the confederate flag?






Somehow I doubt that's how you really feel


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Re: What do you think of the Confederate flag? [Re: Dr. P. Silocybin]
    #21860368 - 06/26/15 02:30 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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South Carolina seceded in December 1860. That's when the rebellion started. Do you think Lincoln should have just allowed them to leave the Union? Give up all federal lands in the south and allow the United States to be ripped apart? Where would we be today if that had happened?




I said none of those things. I did however, say that Lincoln was commander in chief when the war started. He was.

Lincoln was sworn in as President March 4, 1861

The Civil War started on April 12, 1861

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There is no legal right to secession. The moment they seceded they were in open rebellion against the United States.




Yup. The war was about holding the Union together. Slavery was a side-bar.


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Re: What do you think of the Confederate flag? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #21860404 - 06/26/15 02:37 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

again... http://www.amazon.com/Apostles-Disunion-Southern-Secession-Commissioners/dp/081392104X

The states the seceded form the Union didn't seem to think that they were doing it over some arcane legal dispute about the size and scope of the federal government. They were very explicit in saying that they were seceding to protect slavery.

How difficult can this possibly be to understand? We are not debating the motivations of the Union. We are debating the motivations of the Confederates who started the war by openly rebelling against the United States.


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Re: What do you think of the Confederate flag? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #21860410 - 06/26/15 02:38 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

the flag was a battle flag... there are african americans fighting to keep the flag flying. the flag does not represent slavery... this thread is full of ignorance.

i do think that the motion to not fly it over government buildings is a smart idea however, you know... considering the confederacy lost.



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Re: What do you think of the Confederate flag? [Re: Dr. P. Silocybin]
    #21860412 - 06/26/15 02:39 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

How many angels can dance on the head of a pin?


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Re: What do you think of the Confederate flag? [Re: Dr. P. Silocybin]
    #21860420 - 06/26/15 02:41 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

The war started the day that South Carolina voted to secede. The fact that there was no battle for some months is irrelevant to our discussion and only illustrates the fact that Lincoln wanted to avoid fighting and hoped to find a political solution.


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Re: What do you think of the Confederate flag? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #21860422 - 06/26/15 02:42 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

as many as you can think up, and as small as you can think them up as right? or is this a trick question


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Re: What do you think of the Confederate flag? [Re: Dr. P. Silocybin]
    #21860424 - 06/26/15 02:42 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Is the usa flag a battle flag? It was flown in battles. By that reasoning all flags are battle flags so what is the point of constantly saying it? Left wing extremists love to make illogical arguments that appeal to emotion. They hate discussing facts.


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Re: What do you think of the Confederate flag? [Re: Dr. P. Silocybin]
    #21860431 - 06/26/15 02:43 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

The war started after Lincoln became President. You don't get to rewrite history.

The war was about maintaining the Union, not over slavery.


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Re: What do you think of the Confederate flag? [Re: Dr. P. Silocybin]
    #21860447 - 06/26/15 02:46 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

People should be educated about the history of the symbols they support. Otherwise they might accidentally wave around a slaver's flag thinking that it is a symbol of something other than slavery. Sadly many Americans are misinformed when it comes to the history of the confederate rebellion. I think it's important that people know what really went down.


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Re: What do you think of the Confederate flag? [Re: Stonehenge]
    #21860451 - 06/26/15 02:46 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

i don't think you read the rest of what i posted.


if the confederate flag represents oppression then we should probably tear down the flag we have currently as well as it was flown over the japanese internment camps




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Re: What do you think of the Confederate flag? [Re: Dr. P. Silocybin]
    #21860454 - 06/26/15 02:48 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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People should be educated about the history of the symbols they support. Otherwise they might accidentally wave around a slaver's flag thinking that it is a symbol of something other than slavery. Sadly many Americans are misinformed when it comes to the history of the confederate rebellion. I think it's important that people know what really went down.





it wasn't a slavers flag though.


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Re: What do you think of the Confederate flag? [Re: Dr. P. Silocybin]
    #21860458 - 06/26/15 02:49 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

again........  http://www.amazon.com/Apostles-Disunion-Southern-Secession-Commissioners/dp/081392104X

Read the fucking book.

The rebellion was about slavery and the rebellion started before Lincoln was even inaugurated.

I have to go to work. I'll get back to correcting your revisionist history later.


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Re: What do you think of the Confederate flag? [Re: Dr. P. Silocybin]
    #21860461 - 06/26/15 02:50 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

tl;dr :whatyougonnado:

i'll be waiting for you to counter my point about the japanese internment camps


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Re: What do you think of the Confederate flag? [Re: Dr. P. Silocybin] * 1
    #21860470 - 06/26/15 02:52 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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again........  http://www.amazon.com/Apostles-Disunion-Southern-Secession-Commissioners/dp/081392104X

Read the fucking book.




I've read plenty.


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The rebellion was about slavery and the rebellion started before Lincoln was even inaugurated.




History tells us what happened. Your revisionist version matters not.

Lincoln was sworn in as President March 4, 1861

The Civil War started on April 12, 1861


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I have to go to work. I'll get back to correcting your revisionist history later.




Is it hot down there in the South?


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Re: What do you think of the Confederate flag? [Re: 404]
    #21860473 - 06/26/15 02:52 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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if the confederate flag represents oppression then we should probably tear down the flag we have currently as well as it was flown over the japanese internment camps







So why should the confederate flag be singled out for banishment?

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>i'll be waiting for you to counter my point about the japanese internment camps

You may have a long wait. Facts are not what those people like to deal with.


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Re: What do you think of the Confederate flag? [Re: Stonehenge] * 1
    #21860505 - 06/26/15 03:02 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Liberals deal in feelings and sensibilities and ignore facts, that's why they are liberals.


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Re: What do you think of the Confederate flag? [Re: Shins]
    #21860536 - 06/26/15 03:10 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

i think gay people especially black gay people should start wearing the rebel flag as a pride symbol.

problem solved.


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Re: What do you think of the Confederate flag? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #21860948 - 06/26/15 05:20 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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koods said:
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You do realize that helium is not destroyed when it is put in a balloon and goes back into the atmosphere from which we can extract it again, right?






we dont extract helium from the air, it's extracted via decomposition of rocks or
from natual gas wells, it's about 10,000c more expensive to pull it from the air




The only source of helium on earth is from the decay of radioactive elements. Because it is much lighter than oxygen and nitrogen, helium gas that makes it to the surface and is not contained floats to the top of the atmosphere and is blown off into space by solar wind. There is almost no free helium in the atmosphere. Probably thinking of Argon.

Because helium is a non reactive element, it cannot be fixed as part of a compound that is more earthbound - hydrogen is less dense than helium but because it readily forms compounds like water, we don't lose much to space.





helium is also extracted from natural gas

http://www.gazprominfo.com/articles/helium/




Interesting:

"The Orenburg oil and gas condensate field (OGCF) is fairly poor in helium: the volume fraction of this substance in the gas is only up to 0.055 per cent. Rich fields can contain more than 0.5 per cent of helium, while the standard content rate is 0.1–0.5 per cent. All gas fields with helium content under 0.1 per cent are qualified as poor fields."

Apparently the air "field" only has to contain over 0.1 helium to be considered "rich" in helium. Still though, if most of the atmosphere has much less then 0.1 helium, how do they find the "rich" air?

Does the article explain that? Does compressing and decompressing and recompressing the air through maybe a filter change the quality of what percentage of helium is contained in a specified air field?


As for the confederate flag. Do I have an issue with someone flying it proudly? If it represents racism, yes. If it represents southern pride then no. Even if I hated the south, its their business what they are or aren't proud of, who am I to judge?

Some of the flags I'd fly might offend the shit out of some southerners. What if there was a "shroomery" flag I had that I flew on my car? I'll bet that would piss a lot of southerners off, they'd be calling me "drug addict" or what not.

What is the claim the flag was representing? Southern spirit in general? Or complete dissent and secession from the union and a return to slavery? Either way, before I judge, what does the "Union" flag look like? I don't think one flag should represent ignorance but not the other.

Southerners never put all their finances on one street and allowed all these traders to broker off shares of their finances that were over sold for further value then the return was worth and did business with companies that sold mortgage loans to tens of millions of unqual


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Re: What do you think of the Confederate flag? [Re: Stonehenge]
    #21860974 - 06/26/15 05:28 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Is the usa flag a battle flag? It was flown in battles. By that reasoning all flags are battle flags so what is the point of constantly saying it? Left wing extremists love to make illogical arguments that appeal to emotion. They hate discussing facts.




I agree. I don't think flying one flag is any less offensive then another. Sometimes seeing the American flag flown really pisses me off. It represents hatred of middle easterners, ignorance and white trash mentality that fire works are more important then employment among equal races.

Who knows, maybe the confederacy would've been a beautiful country? Maybe a decade later they would've abandoned slavery anyway. We will never know huh?


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