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Re: What do you think of the Confederate flag? [Re: Dark_Star]
    #21859341 - 06/26/15 10:21 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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It's not racist if it's used by a other country folk.
:themoreyouknow:





oh, now that I know, it would seem that there are no racial slurs at all. now all
you have to do is ask the admins to strike down the racism rule


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Re: What do you think of the Confederate flag? [Re: Dark_Star]
    #21859352 - 06/26/15 10:23 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

please don't ban stonebrains, somebody did something to him, and it's not his fault.  besides, he's maybe the most entertaining poster around here in his own nazi-fied way.


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Re: What do you think of the Confederate flag? [Re: Patlal]
    #21859463 - 06/26/15 10:55 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)



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Re: What do you think of the Confederate flag? [Re: TheGreenArrow]
    #21859726 - 06/26/15 11:57 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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TheGreenArrow said:
Why should there be tolerance for bigots/racists?  They seem mostly just ignorant assholes to me for the most part.




So you're bigoted against bigots and there should be no tolerance for you.

OK then.


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Re: What do you think of the Confederate flag? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #21859742 - 06/26/15 12:01 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Everyone just wants tolerance and social validation from everyone else ever. Is that so much to ask? :smirk:


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Re: What do you think of the Confederate flag? [Re: D.M.T]
    #21859752 - 06/26/15 12:04 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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The Civil War was about slavery.




Seems Lincoln disagrees.

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I would save the Union. I would save it the shortest way under the Constitution. The sooner the national authority can be restored the nearer the Union will be "the Union as it was." If there be those who would not save the Union unless they could at the same time save Slavery, I do not agree with them. If there be those who would not save the Union unless they could at the same time destroy Slavery, I do not agree with them. My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or destroy Slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave, I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves, I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone, I would also do that. What I do about Slavery and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save this Union, and what I forbear, I forbear because I do not believe it would help to save the Union. I shall do less whenever I shall believe what I am doing hurts the cause, and I shall do more whenever I shall believe doing more will help the cause. I shall try to correct errors when shown to be errors; and I shall adopt new views so fast as they shall appear to be true views. I have here stated my purpose according to my view of official duty, and I intend no modification of my oft-expressed personal wish that all men, everywhere, could be free.




http://www.nytimes.com/1862/08/24/news/letter-president-lincoln-reply-horace-greeley-slavery-union-restoration-union.html


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Re: What do you think of the Confederate flag? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #21859865 - 06/26/15 12:36 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

What I think of the confederate flag?




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Re: What do you think of the Confederate flag? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #21859968 - 06/26/15 01:02 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

The civil war was about slavery. Lincoln fought for the Union. The Confederates rebelled for slavery.


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Re: What do you think of the Confederate flag? [Re: Dr. P. Silocybin]
    #21860015 - 06/26/15 01:12 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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The civil war was about slavery. Lincoln fought for the Union. The Confederates rebelled for slavery.





Can you read?  Look up a post or two.    The civil war was about the power of the federal union, slavery was a side issue which yhe noryh cleverly used as a recruiting and PR tool because they knew it was unpopular.

If you had actually read anything I posted here you would have read were lincolin explicitly said, on several occasions that he USED slavery as a tool in order to suppliment his primary objective; preseving the federal union.

I'm getying tired of you uneducated idiots just repeating that it was over slavery since that is what the TV tells you. Beaindead zombies all of you.


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Re: What do you think of the Confederate flag? [Re: Dr. P. Silocybin]
    #21860021 - 06/26/15 01:13 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Dr. P. Silocybin said:
The civil war was about slavery. Lincoln fought for the Union. The Confederates rebelled for slavery.




So Lincoln was wrong but you're right?

:lmafo:


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Re: What do you think of the Confederate flag? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #21860048 - 06/26/15 01:22 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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luvdemshrooms said:
Quote:

Dr. P. Silocybin said:
The civil war was about slavery. Lincoln fought for the Union. The Confederates rebelled for slavery.




So Lincoln was wrong but you're right?

:lmafo:




Lincoln's motivations aren't important. He didn't start the war. The people who started the war were motivated by slavery.

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The civil war was about the power of the federal union



Yeah, the power of the federal government to interfere with the tradition of slavery.


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Re: What do you think of the Confederate flag? [Re: koods]
    #21860072 - 06/26/15 01:29 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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koods said:
Lincoln's motivations aren't important.




:lmafo:


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He didn't start the war.




He was the commander in chief.


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The people who started the war were motivated by slavery.




We'll add that to the oh-so-long line of stupid things you've said.

But you go on believing.  :rofl:


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Re: What do you think of the Confederate flag? [Re: koods]
    #21860079 - 06/26/15 01:30 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

And now I see that they're not even gonna sell those little flags at the  Antietam battlefield store any more. What a crock of shit! People are losing their fucking minds! I mean, this is a battlefield where both forces are commemerated...the bloodiest day of war in US history. Give me a fucking break....bureaucrats.:facepalm3:


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Re: What do you think of the Confederate flag? [Re: koods]
    #21860081 - 06/26/15 01:31 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

The slave states felt so strongly about preserving their system of racial slavery that they were willing to rip apart the constitution, betray their country, and abandon the fundamental values of democracy in order to maintain white supremacy. That is what the Confederate flag represents. If you support that then by all means fly your flag high. Advertise your bigotry so the rest of us know you for the hateful racist that you are. If you don't support white supremacy then you shouldn't fly the bigot's flag.

The slave states started the war when they rebelled. Is that minor detail lost on you? They attacked Fort Sumter.


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Re: What do you think of the Confederate flag? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #21860096 - 06/26/15 01:35 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

South Carolina seceded before Lincoln was sworn in, so he was not commander in chief when the rebellion began.


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Re: What do you think of the Confederate flag? [Re: Dorian Gray]
    #21860118 - 06/26/15 01:42 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: What do you think of the Confederate flag? [Re: Dr. P. Silocybin]
    #21860122 - 06/26/15 01:43 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Dr. P. Silocybin said:
South Carolina seceded before Lincoln was sworn in, so he was not commander in chief when the rebellion began.





Lincoln was sworn in as President March 4, 1861

The Civil War started on April 12, 1861

That makes Lincoln commander in chief when the war started.


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Re: What do you think of the Confederate flag? [Re: Thayendanegea]
    #21860180 - 06/26/15 01:51 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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And now I see that they're not even gonna sell those little flags at the  Antietam battlefield store any more. What a crock of shit! People are losing their fucking minds! I mean, this is a battlefield where both forces are commemerated...the bloodiest day of war in US history. Give me a fucking break....bureaucrats.:facepalm3:


You could always buy like 10,000 of them for 5 cents each then sell them in the parking lot for like 3.00 each and have them all sold in about 2 days. :shrug:


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Re: What do you think of the Confederate flag? [Re: Shins]
    #21860225 - 06/26/15 01:57 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Dr. P. Silocybin said:
The civil war was about slavery. Lincoln fought for the Union. The Confederates rebelled for slavery.





Can you read?  Look up a post or two.    The civil war was about the power of the federal union, slavery was a side issue which yhe noryh cleverly used as a recruiting and PR tool because they knew it was unpopular.

If you had actually read anything I posted here you would have read were lincolin explicitly said, on several occasions that he USED slavery as a tool in order to suppliment his primary objective; preseving the federal union.

I'm getying tired of you uneducated idiots just repeating that it was over slavery since that is what the TV tells you. Beaindead zombies all of you.




Slavery was not a side issue. The slave states rebelled to protect the institution of slavery. No one who understands history would argue that Lincoln fought to end slavery. He didn't. He did not run as an abolitionist, and he almost certainly would not have abolished slavery if the south had stayed in the union. That is not the point. The point is that the Slave states rebelled in order to maintain a system where human beings were stripped naked and sold at auction, and slave owners could separate families, rape, and murder with total legal impunity.

You clearly have no understanding of history and are just repeating conservative talking points you heard on tv you braindead zombie why don't you read an actual history book before you accuse others of being ignorant.

This is a good one: http://www.amazon.com/Apostles-Disunion-Southern-Secession-Commissioners/dp/081392104X

This book follows the people that the states of the deep south sent out to the undecided states in order to convince them to join in their rebellion. It follows the debates that took place in those undecided states, the arguments for and against succession. What better way could there be to understand why the south seceded than to study their own debates of the issue? Read this book then come back and tell me which one of our arguments was uneducated.

In the future if you are going to accuse someone of being uneducated you might want to avoid making numerous typos and grammatical errors in your accusation. :lol:


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Re: What do you think of the Confederate flag? [Re: Dr. P. Silocybin] * 1
    #21860266 - 06/26/15 02:04 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

South Carolina seceded in December 1860. That's when the rebellion started. Do you think Lincoln should have just allowed them to leave the Union? Give up all federal lands in the south and allow the United States to be ripped apart? Where would we be today if that had happened?

There is no legal right to secession. The moment they seceded they were in open rebellion against the United States.


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