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Re: What do you think of the Confederate flag? [Re: Stonehenge]
#21849968 - 06/24/15 11:12 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Stonehenge said: >I thought it's pretty obvious what I meant
>Technically blacks were allowed to learn to read and draw, but not write.
Its obvious what you said and what you meant. Are you going to back it up that they were not allowed to write or that they were kept illiterate as you said previously, or will you admit it was a fantasy? No, since you are a left winger you will admit nothing and just try to change the subject. Its clear you are wrong but you will never admit a thing.
Oh yes, I'm absolutely a left winger because all of my posts just ooze of liberalism, isn't that right koods? koods can tell you how much I love MSNBC and Rachel Maddow.
You can start your research here. It's a pretty well known fact.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_during_the_Slave_Period
But I suppose it's possible it didn't happen like how the Holocaust didn't actually happen.
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Re: What do you think of the Confederate flag? [Re: D.M.T]
#21849976 - 06/24/15 11:14 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Sure, we can have hundreds of Miami's all over the US, are you fucking kidding me?
The USA is vast. Why couldn't we? There's already hundreds of Spanish speaking communities all throughout southern portions of the US.
If you want English to be the official language of the US, vote for it. Until then there is no obligation for anyone to learn it.
And how selfsufficient are these "hundreds of Spanish speaking communities all throughout...the US"?
They're not, they're dysfunction shit holes with no future at all that suck the taxpayer dry.
"no obligation for anyone to learn it"
There's no obligation for me for wipe my ass after I shit, but I do it because it's the right thing to do for myself and everyone around me.
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Re: What do you think of the Confederate flag? [Re: qman]
#21849985 - 06/24/15 11:16 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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It would behoove them to learn English to improve their lot in life. That's what everybody did before. Now we have an idiot government that uses several languages on official documents. Ummmmm, no. Learn fucking English.
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Re: What do you think of the Confederate flag? [Re: qman]
#21850004 - 06/24/15 11:21 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Sure, we can have hundreds of Miami's all over the US, are you fucking kidding me?
The USA is vast. Why couldn't we? There's already hundreds of Spanish speaking communities all throughout southern portions of the US.
If you want English to be the official language of the US, vote for it. Until then there is no obligation for anyone to learn it.
And how selfsufficient are these "hundreds of Spanish speaking communities all throughout...the US"?
They're not, they're dysfunction shit holes with no future at all that suck the taxpayer dry.
"no obligation for anyone to learn it"
There's no obligation for me for wipe my ass after I shit, but I do it because it's the right thing to do for myself and everyone around me.
That's where me and you differ. Usually instead of wiping my ass after I shit, I take a shower. Saves me from the cost of toilet paper, but also I get a lot of fiber in my diet so there's very little that doesn't make it into the toilet.
I'm pretty sure their understanding of English isn't so much the taxpayer's expense as people voting to give them public housing and Obama phones. You learn English in school or private academies, something that either you're already paying for or someone else is already paying for. If they don't want to learn English you're not really paying anything for them to learn English.
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Re: What do you think of the Confederate flag? [Re: D.M.T]
#21850026 - 06/24/15 11:25 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I work with a lot of people who barely speak English at all. Some of them have been here for decades and they don't try to learn because they don't have to like previous generations of immigrants.
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Re: What do you think of the Confederate flag? [Re: D.M.T]
#21850041 - 06/24/15 11:29 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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What percentage of second generation immigrants do not learn English? I find it hard to believe there are very many kids growing up here who don't learn English. It would almost be impossible to not learn English,
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Re: What do you think of the Confederate flag? [Re: zappaisgod]
#21850046 - 06/24/15 11:30 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: I work with a lot of people who barely speak English at all. Some of them have been here for decades and they don't try to learn because they don't have to like previous generations of immigrants.
Like you said earlier it would improve their life. I don't think it affects mine. Besides that I used to teach English to Spanish speakers and I can speak the language myself, I don't see that fact costing me like the moonbat policies encouraging illegal immigration and welfare bummery do.
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Re: What do you think of the Confederate flag? [Re: zappaisgod]
#21850052 - 06/24/15 11:32 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: I work with a lot of people who barely speak English at all. Some of them have been here for decades and they don't try to learn because they don't have to like previous generations of immigrants.
It is very difficult to become competent in another language once you are an adult. The brain changes after puberty and the natural ability to learn languages vanishes.
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Re: What do you think of the Confederate flag? [Re: D.M.T]
#21850101 - 06/24/15 11:46 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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>Oh yes, I'm absolutely a left winger because all of my posts just ooze of liberalism,
You are still dodging the question about negroes not being allowed to read and write that you claimed earlier. That is a liberal trait. They tell you a fantasy and when you ask for some evidence they will not talk about it any more. A conservative will not make up crap like that.
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Re: What do you think of the Confederate flag? [Re: Stonehenge]
#21850110 - 06/24/15 11:49 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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What was the link beneath that statement then?
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Re: What do you think of the Confederate flag? [Re: zappaisgod]
#21850119 - 06/24/15 11:54 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I love how stonehenge tries to maintain a veneer of credibility with all of his "facts" and "figures". lets take a looks at some posts, and decide whether anything he says is credible.
first, lets examine his sig.
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“A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship.” (attributed to Alexis de Tocqueville political philosopher Circa 1835)
hmmmm...it seems that this quote is advocating dictatorship over democracy. but hey, a reasonable person could make the hypothetical case for dictatorship, so nothing too wacky here yet.
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 Here you go and it shows eisenhour was a war criminal. Do a little research instead of just trolling. Go to the page and read the links there.
http://www.whale.to/b/starvation_of_germans.html
Mass Starvation of Germans, 1945-1950 (Eisenhower's Death Camps) [back] Genocide Food as a Weapon of War Allied War Crimes
[More than nine million Germans died as a result of deliberate Allied starvation and expulsion policies after the Second World War, including 1.5-2 million German prisoners, which is the alleged number that died in Auschwitz. Architect--Morgenthau.]
See: Allied War Crimes US based Concentration Camps for Germans Concentration Camp (USA) Concentration Camps (Boer War) Concentration Camps (Holocaust) See: Eisenhower Churchill
[2012 June] The European Atrocity You Never Heard About An estimated 500,000 people died in the course of the organized expulsions; survivors were left in Allied-occupied Germany to fend for themselves. Allied War Crimes 1941-1950 by Rixon Stewart
[2008] Eisenhower's Holocaust - His Slaughter Of 1.7 Million Germans .. German POWs had to dig holes for shelter
[1989] Eisenhower's Death Camps. The Last Dirty Secret of World War Two by James Bacque
War Crimes: USA by Lt. Col. Gordon "Jack" Mohr, AUS Ret.
In 'Eisenhower’s Death Camps': A U.S. Prison Guard Remembers
New Book Details Mass Killings and Brutal Mistreatment of Germans at the End of World War Two
A Review of James Bacque's "Crimes and Mercies: The Fate of German Civilians Under Allied Occupation 1944-1950" by Eric Blair
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Eisenhower Telegram to the War Department, 18 October 1945
[2000] HOW ALLIES TREATED GERMAN POWs by Michael Walsh
In 'Eisenhower’s Death Camps': A U.S. Prison Guard Remembers
Books [2007] After the Reich: The Brutal History of Allied Occupation by Giles MacDonogh REVIEW Review
[2003] Crimes and Mercies: The Fate of German Civilians Under Allied Occupation 1944-1950 by James Bacque More than nine million Germans died as a result of deliberate Allied starvation and expulsion policies after the Second World War
[1989] Other Losses by James Bacque
[1988] Nemesis at Potsdam: The Expulsion of the Germans from the East by Alfred M. de Zayas
External Mass Starvation of Germans, 1945-1950
See: Eisenhower Holocaust revisionism
Quotes According to Bacque between 1941 and 1950 around one and a half to two million German prisoners of war died, whilst a further five million seven hundred thousand German civilians died between 1946 and 1950, largely, Bacque maintains, as a result of Allied policy. In all Bacques estimates that between nine and half and fourteen million ethnic Germans, German prisoners of war and civilians were to die in these iniquities. Part of the blame for this can be laid at the feet of Josef Stalin who, through his propaganda minister, Ilya Ehrenburg, actually encouraged the rape and degradation of the German civilian population. Allied War Crimes 1941-1950 by Rixon Stewart
..."it is hard to escape the conclusion that Dwight Eisenhower was a war criminal of epic proportions. His (DEF) policy killed more Germans in peace than were killed in the European Theater." [2008] Eisenhower's Holocaust - His Slaughter Of 1.7 Million Germans

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Now it has degenerated into not just twisting and contriving to come up with something racist out of simple criticism but also stealth attack bans. All this is obviously part of a policy enforcing a speech code.
To be more specific, I was hit with a ban 5 days ago for apparently having used the term "coconut head" in a post. I have no idea what post it was, nor do I know who the mod was who dished out the more or less random ban. No pm informing me of any of that. What I got was this message when I tried to click on something:
Quote: Your account has been banned or locked. You are going to be unbanned in (4 days x hours). Ban reason: (127309) Felling a black person, in this case, Obama ,a "coconut head" is racist. It implies the color of his skin and that he is stupid. If you wish to argue his policy, feel free to do so. If you wish to mock his skin tone, as a means to belittle someone who supports him, you get the ban stick.
File a support ticket if you disagree.
Since you just served one ban for racism , this one will be site wide.
I know I never said "Obama is a coconut head" but I have used the term coconut head at times. Yes it referred to obama but so what? He is a public figure and supposedly a suitable subject for criticism. In what way is that a racist term? I know mods can consider anything they like to be racist but that is going a bit far.
If that term which has been used by many people in the past is now forbidden, why not a notice to that effect? If no criticism of obama is allowed, why not announce that? Why a sitewide ban, why no link to the post, and why did the mod/admin not have the balls to even put his name on it?
I already know the answer, its a ban on a point of view and anything or everything will be twisted and contrived as an excuse to whack the speaker.
I get the message, I give up, I will not express any more opinions about obama or anyone black. You win, do a high five, its over as far as I'm concerned.
Oh, btw, how do you make a support ticket when banned from the whole site? A little mod joke? No doubt this thread will be locked like all the others. I just wanted to vent and to bring this to light. No changes will be made I realize that. I do not feel free to criticize, I might be banned for racism or some other contrived reason for this post too.
All i read here is "i'm not racist just because i hate black people"
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I keep seeing this transparent build up to invading iran, our next excellent adventure since we did so well in iraq, afghanistan, and vietnam. The military industrial complex has to be fed whether we are or not. Other countries are working on nukes for power or what ever. Are we threatening them? No. N. korea has nukes and threatens to use them. Are we invading n korea? No because isreal has not ordered us to do it. Give me one other rational reason. Zap, dont even bother, we all know in advance what you have to say.
They aren't going to take it lying down and if hostilities start, the strait of hormuz will be closed, conventional and dirty bombs will hit isreal and usa targets, its going to be a major mess. But obama has to do as he is told. Not what we say, what they say.
i'll just let people interpret this one themselves
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It is well known that the holocaust was grossly exaggerated. Most of the deaths were due to allied bombings, food shortages due to the war and diseases. Millions died in Germany from disease, yellow fever, typhoid and others. Many of those who died were cremated at the camps to prevent the spread of disease and for general sanitation. The gas chambers were built after the war and serve as a tourist attraction.
But if you question the holocaust religion you will be viciously attacked and even imprisoned and fined in many countries. What other topic is forbidden to be disputed under penalty of prison? Can anyone name one? No, just this.
You can say Christianity is a fraud and no one will lock you up. You can call the president a dirty bum, claim the moon landing is fake and all is well. But dispute any part of the myth and you are in big trouble. People have been trained since birth to react in a negative way if anyone tries to question the facts. What are they so afraid of?
no. just no.
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Its like the moonbats say about obumble. He had good intentions (so they say) and if the result was stupid and predictable, its not his fault. If the great imposter can get away with it, push the tpp, ttip, tisa, and so on saying he thought it would be a good thing and not doing it for the huge bribe money he's getting, why can't the cop get away with it?
i could keep going, but i have to get some work done today. maybe i'll come back later with some more gems. i really don't see how anyone can take anything stoney says seriously. but that's just me
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Re: What do you think of the Confederate flag? [Re: D.M.T]
#21850146 - 06/24/15 12:04 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: I work with a lot of people who barely speak English at all. Some of them have been here for decades and they don't try to learn because they don't have to like previous generations of immigrants.
Like you said earlier it would improve their life. I don't think it affects mine. Besides that I used to teach English to Spanish speakers and I can speak the language myself, I don't see that fact costing me like the moonbat policies encouraging illegal immigration and welfare bummery do.
It costs the taxpayers money when they have to pay for multilingual notices and translators. If you wanna live here learn fucking English
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Re: What do you think of the Confederate flag? [Re: koods]
#21850149 - 06/24/15 12:05 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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koods said: What percentage of second generation immigrants do not learn English? I find it hard to believe there are very many kids growing up here who don't learn English. It would almost be impossible to not learn English,
They're not learning it well enough to even pass required State tests in the public schools. Many public schools that are in high population Hispanic districts are going into receivership where the State takes over the local school.
The parents don't seem to be helping the situation, speaking Spanish at home and then sending the child into school with a lack of English skills puts them at a major disadvantage.
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Re: What do you think of the Confederate flag? [Re: koods]
#21850154 - 06/24/15 12:07 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: I work with a lot of people who barely speak English at all. Some of them have been here for decades and they don't try to learn because they don't have to like previous generations of immigrants.
It is very difficult to become competent in another language once you are an adult. The brain changes after puberty and the natural ability to learn languages vanishes.
I am quite aware of the critical period for language and that English is a bitch. Don't care. They don't even try. They go home to their communities and speak only their native language and watch television in their native language and listen to the radio in their native language.
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Re: What do you think of the Confederate flag? [Re: ballsalsa]
#21850160 - 06/24/15 12:08 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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ballsalsa said: I love how stonehenge tries to maintain a veneer of credibility with all of his "facts" and "figures". lets take a looks at some posts, and decide whether anything he says is credible.
first, lets examine his sig.
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“A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship.” (attributed to Alexis de Tocqueville political philosopher Circa 1835)
hmmmm...it seems that this quote is advocating dictatorship over democracy. but hey, a reasonable person could make the hypothetical case for dictatorship, so nothing too wacky here yet.
We do not live in a democracy.
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Re: What do you think of the Confederate flag? [Re: zappaisgod]
#21850181 - 06/24/15 12:15 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: I work with a lot of people who barely speak English at all. Some of them have been here for decades and they don't try to learn because they don't have to like previous generations of immigrants.
Like you said earlier it would improve their life. I don't think it affects mine. Besides that I used to teach English to Spanish speakers and I can speak the language myself, I don't see that fact costing me like the moonbat policies encouraging illegal immigration and welfare bummery do.
It costs the taxpayers money when they have to pay for multilingual notices and translators. If you wanna live here learn fucking English
I have a solution for notices. Left click, select all, copy, paste and Google Translate.
Paying translators less than $20/hour instead of the $40-50 they get now wouldn't hurt either.
I would vote for English to be our official language. Until then I don't feel right telling someone to learn English, but I highly encourage it.
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Re: What do you think of the Confederate flag? [Re: D.M.T]
#21850198 - 06/24/15 12:19 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I wouldn't tell them they have to but I wouldn't accomodate them in a way if they don't. Fuck 'em if they don't want to. I don't give a shit as long as I don't have to pay for it.
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Re: What do you think of the Confederate flag? [Re: D.M.T]
#21850234 - 06/24/15 12:25 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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So you still can substantiate it? Tsk tsk.
I see ballsack is still trying to troll. Ho hum.
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Re: What do you think of the Confederate flag? [Re: zappaisgod]
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ballsalsa said: I love how stonehenge tries to maintain a veneer of credibility with all of his "facts" and "figures". lets take a looks at some posts, and decide whether anything he says is credible.
first, lets examine his sig.
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“A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship.” (attributed to Alexis de Tocqueville political philosopher Circa 1835)
hmmmm...it seems that this quote is advocating dictatorship over democracy. but hey, a reasonable person could make the hypothetical case for dictatorship, so nothing too wacky here yet.
We do not live in a democracy.
correct. we live in a democratic republic. it is interesting to note, that in 1835 monarchy was gradually fading from europe and elsewhere(though it would take WW1 to topple most of the rest)
here's a little bit about Alexis de Tocqueville's "Democracy in America" from his wikipedia page:
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In Democracy in America, published in 1835, Tocqueville wrote of the New World and its burgeoning democratic order. Observing from the perspective of a detached social scientist, Tocqueville wrote of his travels through America in the early 19th century when the market revolution, Western expansion, and Jacksonian democracy were radically transforming the fabric of American life.[3]
One purpose of writing Democracy in America, according to Joshua Kaplan, was to help the people of France get a better understanding of their position between a fading aristocratic order and an emerging democratic order, and to help them sort out the confusion.[3] Tocqueville saw democracy as an equation that balanced liberty and equality, concern for the individual as well as for the community.
Tocqueville was an ardent supporter of liberty. He wrote "I have a passionate love for liberty, law, and respect for rights”, he wrote. “I am neither of the revolutionary party nor of the conservative...Liberty is my foremost passion.” He wrote of "Political Consequences of the Social State of the Anglo-Americans" by saying "But one also finds in the human heart a depraved taste for equality, which impels the weak to want to bring the strong down to their level, and which reduces men to preferring equality in servitude to inequality in freedom".[11]
His view on government reflects his belief in liberty and the need for individuals to be able to act freely while respecting others' rights. Of centralized government, he wrote that it "excels in preventing, not doing."[12]
He continues to comment on equality by saying "Furthermore, when citizens are all almost equal, it becomes difficult for them to defend their independence against the aggressions of power. As none of them is strong enough to fight alone with advantage, the only guarantee of liberty is for everyone to combine forces. But such a combination is not always in evidence."[13]
The above is often misquoted as a slavery quote due to previous translations of the French text. The most recent translation from Arthur Goldhammer in 2004 translates the meaning to be as stated above. Examples of misquoted sources are numerous on the internet;[14] the text does not contain the words "Americans were so enamored by equality" anywhere.
Tocqueville explicitly cites inequality as being incentive for poor to become rich, and notes that it is not often that two generations within a family maintain success, and that it is inheritance laws that split and eventually break apart someone's estate that cause a constant cycle of churn between the poor and rich, thereby over generations making the poor rich and rich poor. He cites protective laws in France at the time that protected an estate from being split apart amongst heirs, thereby preserving wealth and preventing a churn of wealth such as was perceived by him in 1835 within the United States of America.
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Re: What do you think of the Confederate flag? [Re: Stonehenge]
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Stonehenge said: So you still can substantiate it? Tsk tsk.
I see ballsack is still trying to troll. Ho hum.
i'm not trolling, i'm illustrating the point of the jesus quote in my sig. you see, we can examine the "fruit" of your posts, to determine if you are a corrupt "tree" or a good "tree". so far, it's not looking good for you. the only defense for you so far has been
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