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BlindSophist said: It's a symbol of unrepentant anti-black racism and white supremacy... anybody who denies this is fronting for those movements, whether they realize it or not.
Some people suggest the same for the current US flag, they also add global oppressive war machine and other crazy ideas, should we get rid of the current US flag?
I actually agree with that, the US is built upon a foundation of white supremacy. All of her achievements as a nation stand atop the backs and the bones of non-white people.
Still, if we are discussing difference by degrees here, the Confederate flag is undeniably worse.
EVERY nation is standing atop backs and bones of others. Do you think people in history just gave up their area? Fuck no. Someone came and conquered it.
Typical anti-american race divider and complainer. Reap the benefits but bitch and moan about how it all started.
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Re: What do you think of the Confederate flag? [Re: Shins]
#21846248 - 06/23/15 02:22 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I can't just let it slide like that.
I think that's exactly what people need to let go of.
People simply need to empathize with others more, and to see how it keeps us at each others throats.
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I see one side quoting history and facts, the other side parroting what they have been fed by the media that they accepted and never questioned.
We need to get rid of the dutch flag, usa flag, confederate, union jack, all flags of all countries and all groups since they all did bad things. Then everything will be peachy?
I saw a funny cartoon. it was Rachel dozelal saying I feel black, b jenner saying I feel like a woman and obumble sitting backward on a horse saying "I feel like a leader" Good stuff.
>Typical anti-american race divider and complainer. Reap the benefits but bitch and moan about how it all started.
Yep
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Re: What do you think of the Confederate flag? [Re: Stonehenge]
#21846274 - 06/23/15 02:34 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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So you and Herbologist agree? Does that mean that you think genocide and slavery are sometimes justified or somehow "okay" means of nation-building?
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Herbologist
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So you dont enjoy your benefits? Hows the weather in San Fran? Or would it be better under Dictatorship or 3rd world rule?
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Re: What do you think of the Confederate flag? [Re: Herbologist]
#21846295 - 06/23/15 02:42 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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You're not answering my question.
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Re: What do you think of the Confederate flag? [Re: Herbologist] 1
#21846297 - 06/23/15 02:43 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I'm from Georgia. What do you think I think about it?
Naw just kidding. All my relatives are butthurt over this. I could careless. As far as i'm concerned they are all extreme racist. I know because I used to live with them and know how they think.
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I'm a Watusi. From now on I must insist that I be referred to as Negro or Negroid should my race ever come up in discussion..
Tomorrow I might be Inuit so keep an eye out so that you don't offend me. I think I'm gong to be Maori for the weekend. Those guys are FIERCE!
Ever played Super Mario Bros. 3? You'd love it, there's countless different types of powerups to be scored. Aside from Fire Mario there's also Frog Mario, Hammer Mario, Squirrel Mario, Giant Boot Mario, etc.
I don't know why but that post made me think of Super Mario Bros. 3...
No, never played it. Pokemon and Diablo are pretty much it. My wife suggested I be Warren Buffet for the weekend so she can go shopping
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Herbologist
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BlindSophist said: You're not answering my question.
Because its an irrational question. I stated history. You question morals.
Hows the weather in san fran? breezy with a taste of freedom?
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BlindSophist said: So you and Herbologist agree? Does that mean that you think genocide and slavery are sometimes justified or somehow "okay" means of nation-building?
In a way I want to say no it's never justified....but I wouldn't exist without it so I guess I have to say it was justified lol not that it's a real justification, but I probably wouldn't exist if it never happened, so I can't fully frown on it.
If you look back at human history, you'll notice all of our greatest achievements mainly came about through human suffering and slavery. We're shitty people, and because of that we rose to the society we have today. Do you own an iphone or wear clothes? Because they were probably made by children who might as well be slaves, but I bet you wouldn't stop buying and using them.
We can either be nicer to each other and pay out our ass, or turn a blind eye and reap the benefits of the shit world we live in
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Re: What do you think of the Confederate flag? [Re: Herbologist]
#21846321 - 06/23/15 02:50 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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BlindSophist said: It's a symbol of unrepentant anti-black racism and white supremacy... anybody who denies this is fronting for those movements, whether they realize it or not.
Many blacks fought under the confederate flag.
Wow that's cool. I never heard that before. Why'd they fight under that flag anyways?
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Re: What do you think of the Confederate flag? [Re: SirShroomsAlott]
#21846332 - 06/23/15 02:52 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Human progress has been the result not of slavery but of harnessing energy that is not a direct result of our physical output. This is why I cannot countenance the renunciation of cheap energy that we get from fossil fuels until a serious alternative presents itself. And by serious I mean fusion. We better get it or we will be fucked.
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Re: What do you think of the Confederate flag? [Re: 1234go]
#21846334 - 06/23/15 02:53 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I can't just let it slide like that.
I think that's exactly what people need to let go of.
People simply need to empathize with others more, and to see how it keeps us at each others throats.
I'm done empathyzing with dumb, uninformed, arrogant people who slimg unjustified insults.
these people need to be exposed as the gulliable nit wits they are.
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Re: What do you think of the Confederate flag? [Re: Herbologist]
#21846338 - 06/23/15 02:54 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I stated history. You question morals.
Because history's always factual.
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Herbologist
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Re: What do you think of the Confederate flag? [Re: 1234go]
#21846345 - 06/23/15 02:55 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I stated history. You question morals.
Because history's always factual.
People didnt conquer nations? Is that false? Do tell.
I never said I stated a fact. But you did state a sarcastic opinion.
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Re: What do you think of the Confederate flag? [Re: Shins]
#21846348 - 06/23/15 02:55 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I'm done empathyzing with dumb, uninformed, arrogant people who slimg unjustified insults.
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Re: What do you think of the Confederate flag? [Re: zappaisgod]
#21846359 - 06/23/15 02:59 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: Human progress has been the result not of slavery but of harnessing energy that is not a direct result of our physical output. This is why I cannot countenance the renunciation of cheap energy that we get from fossil fuels until a serious alternative presents itself. And by serious I mean fusion. We better get it or we will be fucked.
But wouldn't that only be for the past 200 years or since the industrial revolution? Before that I would say innovation helped such as the creation of the wheel and tools but still needed humans to do the jobs. Nuclear fusion is too unstable in my opinion and not a viable option, I remember seeing this video I'll post below that gave an argument saying thorium could be the perfect option without the radiation and fallout that nuclear options come with. It's a ted talk but done by a former nasa employee. I'd attempt to explain but if you feel like watching it, he explains it much better then I'd be able to, might all be nonsense for all I know.
https://www.ted.com/talks/kirk_sorensen_thorium_an_alternative_nuclear_fuel
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#21846429 - 06/23/15 03:22 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: Human progress has been the result not of slavery but of harnessing energy that is not a direct result of our physical output. This is why I cannot countenance the renunciation of cheap energy that we get from fossil fuels until a serious alternative presents itself. And by serious I mean fusion. We better get it or we will be fucked.
But wouldn't that only be for the past 200 years or since the industrial revolution? Before that I would say innovation helped such as the creation of the wheel and tools but still needed humans to do the jobs. Nuclear fusion is too unstable in my opinion and not a viable option, I remember seeing this video I'll post below that gave an argument saying thorium could be the perfect option without the radiation and fallout that nuclear options come with. It's a ted talk but done by a former nasa employee. I'd attempt to explain but if you feel like watching it, he explains it much better then I'd be able to, might all be nonsense for all I know.
https://www.ted.com/talks/kirk_sorensen_thorium_an_alternative_nuclear_fuel
Oh no. It goes back millenia with domestic animals and river driven grain mills. Every human advancement is a result of outsourcing energy. There is only one fuel we need. Hydrogen. Everything else is bullshit and temporary.
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Re: What do you think of the Confederate flag? [Re: Shins]
#21846506 - 06/23/15 03:39 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Shins said: Executive Mansion, Washington, August 22, 1862.
Hon. Horace Greeley: Dear Sir.
I have just read yours of the 19th. addressed to myself through the New-York Tribune. If there be in it any statements, or assumptions of fact, which I may know to be erroneous, I do not, now and here, controvert them. If there be in it any inferences which I may believe to be falsely drawn, I do not now and here, argue against them. If there be perceptable in it an impatient and dictatorial tone, I waive it in deference to an old friend, whose heart I have always supposed to be right.
As to the policy I "seem to be pursuing" as you say, I have not meant to leave any one in doubt.
I would save the Union. I would save it the shortest way under the Constitution. The sooner the national authority can be restored; the nearer the Union will be "the Union as it was." If there be those who would not save the Union, unless they could at the same time save slavery, I do not agree with them. If there be those who would not save the Union unless they could at the same time destroy slavery, I do not agree with them. My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that. What I do about slavery, and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save the Union; and what I forbear, I forbear because I do not believe it would help to save the Union. I shall do less whenever I shall believe what I am doing hurts the cause, and I shall do more whenever I shall believe doing more will help the cause. I shall try to correct errors when shown to be errors; and I shall adopt new views so fast as they shall appear to be true views.
I have here stated my purpose according to my view of official duty; and I intend no modification of my oft-expressed personal wish that all men every where could be free.
Yours, A. Lincoln.
koods tells me to read a book lol yet gets all hisninfo from TYT.
How are you going to deny this now? I have several quotes of lincolin admitting that the primary intent of the federalists was to preserve and expand the union, and that slavery was of no concern eiher way.
they knew slavery was unpopular among citizens so they smartly used it to rally troops on their side, but underneath it all the federal union was their only real concern.
What are you babbling on about? Lincoln wasn't a secessionist. His motives have nothing to do with why the south seceded. The south seceded because they wanted to own slaves.
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Re: What do you think of the Confederate flag? [Re: 1234go]
#21846509 - 06/23/15 03:41 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I stated history. You question morals.
Because history's always factual.
Herbologist manufactures history. He posted that blacks fought for the confederacy a few pages back.
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