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Drugs+meditation?
    #21832497 - 06/20/15 01:58 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I have been doing tons of yoga, meditation and bodyweight excercises. I hate to get all gay/hippie, but it really has painted reality in a whole new light. Hitting the center of the psychedelic bull's eye with yoga and meditation and a sober mind has truly been fun

For the past year or two all I have really done was vaporized weed, GHB, and some alc. Maybe green tea if you consider caffiene a drug. And piracetam/nootropic use as well

But I was going to get a large batch of GBL, GHB, Kratom, 4-aco-dmt and maybe some mushies soon. I have been almost completely sober for these two years. I am about to blow some savings on some of these

I was wondering if you guys had any experience meditating while on certain substances?

My experience in the past has been:
nicotine: can't concentrate at all on the meditation
alc/hangover: same idea
amps/ritalin: same idea
kratom: not enough experimentation to say
weed: surprisingly haven't tried
GHB/GBL:???
piracetam: helps a lot with meditation
caffiene/theanine: helps a lot


The chem I am most concerned about is 4-aco-dmt? I have done 2 hour meditation sessions. I was going to take 4-aco and just meditate for a good 4 hours straight. Im not sure how that would work at all


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Re: Drugs+meditation? [Re: topdog82]
    #21832652 - 06/20/15 02:45 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I have heard remarkable things regarding MXE and OBEs. I have studied astral projection in the past and had OBEs, and see MXE as a backstage pass.


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Re: Drugs+meditation? [Re: Astral Pain]
    #21832682 - 06/20/15 02:54 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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I have heard remarkable things regarding MXE and OBEs. I have studied astral projection in the past and had OBEs, and see MXE as a backstage pass.



I have also heard the same. Perhaps I will try it out

I am a little sketch out about mxe and disassociatives generally because I have read about a lot of psychological issues stemming from them


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Re: Drugs+meditation? [Re: topdog82]
    #21832729 - 06/20/15 03:08 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

It doesn't seem to me like something one could get their hands on like other meds, but then again I haven't done that much research on it. There's like a whole new generation of substances out there.


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Re: Drugs+meditation? [Re: Astral Pain]
    #21832752 - 06/20/15 03:14 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Opiates are great for meditation. 2 or 3 bags makes it very easy to focus on nothing and just nod off :smirk:


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Re: Drugs+meditation? [Re: Adolin]
    #21833112 - 06/20/15 05:12 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Opiates are great for meditation. 2 or 3 bags makes it very easy to focus on nothing and just nod off :smirk:



Will try. Any luck with xannies out there? I was going to try gabaergic chems. Opiates sound helpful


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Re: Drugs+meditation? [Re: topdog82]
    #21835673 - 06/21/15 07:14 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I have to comment again regarding MXE since reading Asante's "My Journeys to the Holey Land" thread(the first page). I can see how many who read his experiences could blow it off as just delusions of a drug induced mind, but they're not. Throughout the entire read it was like comparing notes to my lucid dream, astral projection, and OBE experiences. MXE does not create those experiences, but only helps to prep your mind to experience that reality for what it truly is. That other part of your duality has more meaning as to what life is really about, but you must to be on that frequency to realize it. You don't need MXE to experience those things but MXE becomes a backstage pass with direct access, although with some work over time from what I was reading.


I have never tried it so I cannot advocate it's use, but I can speak from experience in that the greatest life changing event of my life was my first OBE. The feeling of awakening that occurred in me was exactly what I read in that MXE thread. I don't know if it's the same as an OBE where as once you have the first experience a succession of others follow. If this is the case with a single "Hole" breakthrough on MXE without another use, than that would definitely be a life changing experience. It would be as if the MXE breakthrough would flip on a switch that awakens a part of yourself that you will forever have an awareness of.



Edit: Forgot to post Asante's thread  :facepalm:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18134073/fpart/1/vc/1


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Re: Drugs+meditation? [Re: topdog82] * 1
    #21835797 - 06/21/15 08:17 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Opiates are great for meditation. 2 or 3 bags makes it very easy to focus on nothing and just nod off :smirk:



Will try. Any luck with xannies out there? I was going to try gabaergic chems. Opiates sound helpful




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Re: Drugs+meditation? [Re: GoldenEye]
    #21837173 - 06/21/15 02:05 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Drugs and meditation dont mix imo :shrug:

I mean I can do an hour long yoga practice on LSD and get really into it. Then when I sit to meditate the weirdness starts to take over.

Meditation techniques can help the trip but I dont see how tripping helps the meditation.


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Re: Drugs+meditation? [Re: Astral Pain]
    #21837237 - 06/21/15 02:15 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)



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Re: Drugs+meditation? [Re: Tripsurfer]
    #21837949 - 06/21/15 05:02 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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I love meditating on ketamine or on any dissociative really, but especially on ketamine



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Drugs and meditation dont mix imo :shrug:

I mean I can do an hour long yoga practice on LSD and get really into it. Then when I sit to meditate the weirdness starts to take over.

Meditation techniques can help the trip but I dont see how tripping helps the meditation.



its always a mixed bag of responses. Thats why I'm not too sure. I guess I have to try it out myself


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Re: Drugs+meditation? [Re: topdog82]
    #21840553 - 06/22/15 03:48 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

LSd, Mushrooms ...not in the same category as ketamine, DXm.

Seems to be your basic problem.


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Re: Drugs+meditation? [Re: SoupSandwich]
    #21841352 - 06/22/15 11:26 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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LSd, Mushrooms ...not in the same category as ketamine, DXm.

Seems to be your basic problem.



I meant for both classic psyches as well as ketamine,dxm etc. the responses I get are often mixed


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Re: Drugs+meditation? [Re: topdog82]
    #21841366 - 06/22/15 11:30 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

ive read salvia is great for meditation and I would agree. my thought process changes drastically on it and I usually just feel like sitting there and thinking.


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Re: Drugs+meditation? [Re: Trichome_Delta9]
    #21841893 - 06/22/15 02:38 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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ive read salvia is great for meditation and I would agree. my thought process changes drastically on it and I usually just feel like sitting there and thinking.



I figure I would keep it low dose. Actually sounds like a good idea
I personally haven't had any profound realizations on it. Thats just me though


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Re: Drugs+meditation? [Re: topdog82]
    #21841933 - 06/22/15 02:46 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

the exp. itself seems to be nothing but nonsense and dream like.

I try to ask my self why I experienced what I did and there usually is a real reason for it even though the at the moment of the experience its complete non sense..

I don't meditate but I can see how salvia could be used for it.

very interesting substance for sure.


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