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Re: How many grams for first trip? [Re: sudly]
    #21848199 - 06/23/15 10:37 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I wonder what makes a person get naked. On shrooms im usually extremely comfortable with nakedness but I never just wanted to strip down and run around the streets. I think its pretty funny that it happens. It might be my dark sense of humor tho.


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Re: How many grams for first trip? [Re: HalfOwlHalfShroom]
    #21849007 - 06/24/15 05:27 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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1.5g of potent cubes, and then another .5-1g if after an hour you're ready to go much deeper. Keep in mind that that gram can make a WORLD of a difference. So make sure to truly evaluate how hard you're tripping before eating more. I say start with 1.5g because 1.5g of say recently dried, properly stored penis envy grown with love will do a lot more than a 2.5 of horrible stored shrooms grown out of greed.





How would you store them? I was told a ziplock bag at room temperature is fine. Once dried, of course.


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Re: How many grams for first trip? [Re: sudly] * 1
    #21849564 - 06/24/15 09:31 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

You never know how you are going to react your first time. Always better safe then sorry especially when partaking in such a powerful mind altering tool that from the time you ingest to finish have little to no control over, yeah it happened to a friend of mine that was taken to the hospital because he freaked out and the cops were called the dumbass people at the hospital thought pumping his stomach would stop the trip.

I'm not trying to instill fear, only respect and caution


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Re: How many grams for first trip? [Re: Hypnotoad420]
    #21850261 - 06/24/15 12:33 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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You never know how you are going to react your first time. Always better safe then sorry especially when partaking in such a powerful mind altering tool that from the time you ingest to finish have little to no control over, yeah it happened to a friend of mine that was taken to the hospital because he freaked out and the cops were called the dumbass people at the hospital thought pumping his stomach would stop the trip.

I'm not trying to instill fear, only respect and caution





Bet there are a ton of stories like that. The ignorant thinking something needs to be done if someone is having a bad trip.


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Re: How many grams for first trip? [Re: bennylava]
    #21851583 - 06/24/15 05:29 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

something does need to be done, unfortunately the only ones who would be conceivably capable are those who have undergone the same experience not those completely ignorant to it( in my opinion the greatest healing potential with psychedelics is here ). thus though the immense importance of set and setting is again reinforced if your truly trying to get anything at all out of it. you set yourself up for success or failure with a small portion of unpredictability thrown in but if you can accept yourself and your situation there is a good chance you will find success.

IME at first I was shown all my bullshit to my face and had to deal with it, over time had to integrate it, apply both sides, and then consciously remain aware of which vibration I was using. If you cannot already eventually you will realize you are split in two and it takes time in separateness to realize you were always one. two parts of the same and our origins is purely of divine essence. neither is bad neither is wrong or right it just is. and so are you. that's just a boundary to free yourself from. Once you start to just Be You regardless of what anyone else might think synchronicities will be as regular as breathing, but that's easier said then done of course. And that's where psychedelics have come into play.

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Re: How many grams for first trip? [Re: LiquidVisions]
    #21852053 - 06/24/15 07:13 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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I wonder what makes a person get naked. On shrooms im usually extremely comfortable with nakedness but I never just wanted to strip down and run around the streets. I think its pretty funny that it happens. It might be my dark sense of humor tho.




One comedian on TV talked about taking shrooms in Amsterdam. He said he took his clothes off cause he was in a beautiful park and wanted to *really* enjoy nature and was having an awesome trip. His thing he said was, talking to the blades of grass: "Take care of my shoes for me".


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Re: How many grams for first trip? [Re: Hypnotoad420]
    #21853094 - 06/24/15 11:16 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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something does need to be done, unfortunately the only ones who would be conceivably capable are those who have undergone the same experience not those completely ignorant to it( in my opinion the greatest healing potential with psychedelics is here ). thus though the immense importance of set and setting is again reinforced if your truly trying to get anything at all out of it. you set yourself up for success or failure with a small portion of unpredictability thrown in but if you can accept yourself and your situation there is a good chance you will find success.

IME at first I was shown all my bullshit to my face and had to deal with it, over time had to integrate it, apply both sides, and then consciously remain aware of which vibration I was using. If you cannot already eventually you will realize you are split in two and it takes time in separateness to realize you were always one. two parts of the same and our origins is purely of divine essence. neither is bad neither is wrong or right it just is. and so are you. that's just a boundary to free yourself from. Once you start to just Be You regardless of what anyone else might think synchronicities will be as regular as breathing, but that's easier said then done of course. And that's where psychedelics have come into play.

:2cents:



Well said.


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Come back to the love that you had here with me...


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Re: How many grams for first trip? [Re: lovesquare]
    #21854393 - 06/25/15 09:58 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

"It's not the black side, it's not the white side, it's the interface"

Same goes for synchronicities, some only look for "good","positive" synchronicities

Faith in the universe


As for nothing is bad or wrong, I am not sure my shadow side or hitler's shadow side agrees with that...
Nothing is bad or wrong is usually anarchistic thinking, and that is a sacral chakra desire

In the greather scheme of things, nothing is bad or wrong
But you can certainly do stupid things with your shadow side if you don't balance your life


You are free to chose there, the shadow side has many pleasures to teach us, the pleasure of pain and pain to others

Nobody is forcing you to be good, but choosing the shadow side is just stupid because one is much more
The shadow side says you are your desires, you are worth more than others etc. - plain ignorance

Sure I suppose ignorance is good in the grand scheme of things, but we certainly shouldn't strive for it

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If nothing is bad or wrong, let's not learn from our mistakes
Let's continue our path for eternity, lets live in ignorance
Ignorance doesn't exist after all
So we cannot make mistakes
Hitler just was, he didn't make mistakes, he should have done like he did
Just here to balance the equation
He shouldn't have learned from his mistakes and stopped in time

your pain becomes my gain


The brain can relativize goodness , but the heart knows goodness


The human is a spiritual being and should strive to learn from their mistakes, to make light from the dark, not to live for eternity as a fool

It is ones right to live as a fool, but it is not good

If there is no right and wrong, how can we know goodness, truth?
If there is no good or bad, how can we chose?


Why be less of a being than more of a being ? (when we chose hate over love we are less of a human)

That is stupidity..


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Re: How many grams for first trip? [Re: lessismore]
    #21854514 - 06/25/15 10:30 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

If you chose with your brain, nothing is good or bad
If you chose with the heart, many things are good or bad


You cannot live just as the brain
You cannot live just as the heart

Mind body spirit... , in your heart lies your spirit

If you want "right decisions" you better ask both your heart and mind, not just one of them

If I were to trust one it would be my heart, definitely not my brain - it will make anything good, as long as it itself gets what it wants

The brain is worth nothing without the heart IMO


brain without heart is anarchy, the belief that anyone should get what anyone wants, that there are no rules and no need for rules, that the most powerful should win

But maybe our society needs more than power... compassion i.e.

Then there can be right and wrong..


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Re: How many grams for first trip? [Re: lessismore]
    #21855969 - 06/25/15 04:40 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Not everyone's path to the light will cross beams with your own. if it does not make sense to you then you are not meant to understand and that's ok too. What I mean is we as humans are given a great gift to be a pillar of light and throw it away most of the time to lower ourselves to vibrations more dense then our natural state. Society is guilty of this, Individuals are guilty of this, A lot of people on this website are guilty of this and myself included at times but that's ok too because its all just an experience and are reborn everyday. just like taking psychedelics life is its own trip man you must have figured that out by now? its all not real but if your pure in your intentions and hold the vibration of love and understanding then no matter what the outcome of the action it will all be the same and it will all be as it should as it is.

Morals and common sense unfortunately some of the most uncommon traits among us today but when speaking and interacting this should all be implied. if you don't hurt anyone or yourself could you think of a scenario in which "bad" could apply for any venue politics, exploration, economics, environmental, spiritual, psychedelics lol? there is always trouble in paradise so of course you can argue for arguments sake and use extreme's but dude that's part of the process that's stopping us from being able to spread love and light across the planet. stop expecting the worst stop assuming bad and be your own light it only works if we work together for we are individuals but we are also all the family of humans.

and if you don't believe me become a narcissist and take acid with the attitude life fucking sucks and it would be better to be dead like alex grey did :shrug:

See a wild extreme appears! :P

I'm not attacking you either dude none of this was directed 100% toward you; you have said some right on shit that for sure resonates with me, however if I may say you need to practice the ability to LET GO and learn to just BE. you will be surprised to find out who you really are when your not afraid to wear your true self on the surface rather then behind the many masks and dramas we normally use to hide behind :laugh:

No one including me will ever be perfect, only perfect as we can be.

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Re: How many grams for first trip? [Re: Hypnotoad420]
    #21856161 - 06/25/15 05:25 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Things are not just relative


You can chose to do good or bad to your body i.e.

You say if your intentions are pure, then it's ok to do Krokodil (it may first eat your flesh in 3 years)

As long as you hold love in your heart, then it's ok to destroy the body


You speak about not hurting -oneself- and others

How is drugs not hurting oneself?


It hurts ones thought processesses often, it can hurt ones body(smoking weed can, taking heroin has some effects too, or cocaine)

It often changes ones personality, drugs often do that, without the person being aware


Is that then love, love for oneself?
It is usually the opposite... carelessness, so it is not ok, people should be urged to not be careless about themselves, but we cannot stop them


I wouldn't urge anybody I know to smoke normal cigs, or weed. Because smoking is unhealthy to the body. If they chose, it's their own choice though.

Urging people to be careless 'all is ok', is carelessness IMO, and carelessness is not love

"Go ahead and use prostitutes, as long as you love it!"

That is carelessness too, there is right and wrong, and if you can see right, it is your duty to try and inform those you believe cannot see it , nonforcefully


There is a difference between 'just be' and 'be careless'

Weed often makes people careless in my experience, it changes people
Cigs can do that often too. That's why I have always asked people I know closely not to smoke normal cigs - they're unhealthy. Smoking is not love for ones body. It is their choice and I usually don't force them to stop unless I'm in a bad mood ;-)

I believe people can do what they want, but that as long as you are not in nirvana, away from this earth, there is right and wrong doing, right and wrong action.

Wrong action leads you towards carelessness, and any good soul should warn innocent / not too well thinking souls about dangers

You think we shouldn't warn each other? - not tell each other what is right and wrong?


Edited by lessismore (06/25/15 05:33 PM)


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Re: How many grams for first trip? [Re: lessismore]
    #21856258 - 06/25/15 05:45 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I took between 5 and 5.5 grams my first time (can't remember). Was really intense but am glad that that was my first time. I got to start with a  full blown psychedelic trip rather than just put my toes into the water with low doses.

On the other hand , lower doses are much more tame(obviously) and would be better if you don't like it. You can have a good experience on high dose- but its much more unpredictable with it being your first time. So I would recommend something like 2.5g for your first time.


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Re: How many grams for first trip? [Re: lessismore]
    #21857300 - 06/25/15 09:23 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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lessismore said:
Things are not just relative


You can chose to do good or bad to your body i.e.

You say if your intentions are pure, then it's ok to do Krokodil (it may first eat your flesh in 3 years)

As long as you hold love in your heart, then it's ok to destroy the body


You speak about not hurting -oneself- and others

How is drugs not hurting oneself?


It hurts ones thought processesses often, it can hurt ones body(smoking weed can, taking heroin has some effects too, or cocaine)

It often changes ones personality, drugs often do that, without the person being aware


Is that then love, love for oneself?
It is usually the opposite... carelessness, so it is not ok, people should be urged to not be careless about themselves, but we cannot stop them


I wouldn't urge anybody I know to smoke normal cigs, or weed. Because smoking is unhealthy to the body. If they chose, it's their own choice though.

Urging people to be careless 'all is ok', is carelessness IMO, and carelessness is not love

"Go ahead and use prostitutes, as long as you love it!"

That is carelessness too, there is right and wrong, and if you can see right, it is your duty to try and inform those you believe cannot see it , nonforcefully


There is a difference between 'just be' and 'be careless'

Weed often makes people careless in my experience, it changes people
Cigs can do that often too. That's why I have always asked people I know closely not to smoke normal cigs - they're unhealthy. Smoking is not love for ones body. It is their choice and I usually don't force them to stop unless I'm in a bad mood ;-)

I believe people can do what they want, but that as long as you are not in nirvana, away from this earth, there is right and wrong doing, right and wrong action.

Wrong action leads you towards carelessness, and any good soul should warn innocent / not too well thinking souls about dangers

You think we shouldn't warn each other? - not tell each other what is right and wrong?




your not reading my posts. you keep using extremes and avoiding common sense by saying exactly what I predicted lowering your vibration taking the low view. I talk about common sense and morals, you bring up krokodil, prostitution and heroin then talk about how you force people to do things if your in a "bad mood" instead of leading by example.

I would never urge carelessness, I pray for realization and acceptance of the self and an open mind and encourage you to take back your conscious power for you have been asleep too long.

warning of the dangers of carelessness is exactly the point of my posts, please take the time to digest my words I think they might have escaped you at face value.


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Re: How many grams for first trip? [Re: Hypnotoad420]
    #21857418 - 06/25/15 09:42 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

You speak about "just be" and "let be"

I speak about let be not being acceptable at times in a society


Now make your point where you speak about  the dangers of carelessness? - I don't see it anywhere

You speak for carelessness it seems, how "all is relative" , "all is good"

No matter what the person does, it's their choice

If I cannot see "it is good", then I'm an idiot and I should just STFU because I dont understand

That's what you say

I chose to speak my mind, but apparently I'm not allowed to, because "all is relative" and I cannot comprehend

I won't accept any state of being if I feel I shouldn't - if I feel a person is careless


All is relative is good and fine in meditation and philosophy, but very unproductive in society, that's what I'm saying, but you won't accept that it seems


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Re: How many grams for first trip? [Re: lessismore]
    #21857553 - 06/25/15 10:06 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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lessismore said:
You speak about "just be" and "let be"

I speak about let be not being acceptable at times in a society


Now make your point where you speak about  the dangers of carelessness? - I don't see it anywhere

You speak for carelessness it seems, how "all is relative" , "all is good"

No matter what the person does, it's their choice

If I cannot see "it is good", then I'm an idiot and I should just STFU because I dont understand

That's what you say

I chose to speak my mind, but apparently I'm not allowed to, because "all is relative" and I cannot comprehend

I won't accept any state of being if I feel I shouldn't - if I feel a person is careless


All is relative is good and fine in meditation and philosophy, but very unproductive in society, that's what I'm saying, but you won't accept that it seems




:facepalm3: This is going in circles im not feeding into this. I swear if I didn't know better id think you were trolling me lol. Good luck in your travels


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Re: How many grams for first trip? [Re: Hypnotoad420]
    #21873344 - 06/29/15 12:01 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Hypnotoad420 said:IME at first I was shown all my bullshit to my face and had to deal with it




This interests me greatly. Can you elaborate further on "you had to deal with it"?


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Re: How many grams for first trip? [Re: bennylava]
    #21874346 - 06/29/15 04:44 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Hypnotoad420 said:IME at first I was shown all my bullshit to my face and had to deal with it




This interests me greatly. Can you elaborate further on "you had to deal with it"?




Yes, In my first two mushroom trips which were back to back from Saturday to Sunday 2.5g/2.5g were both completely mental no visuals and with some of the most uncomfortable physical sensations of being upside down in your own skin and pain it gives me shivers just thinking about it.

I approached the mushrooms with the experience of having tripped on LSD lightly(5 times or so) and smoked weed(daily) so they kicked the shit out of me and what entailed was 5 hours of me laying in my bed and sitting in my chair in my room with thoughts of death and suicide and everything in between at one point I blacked out while getting up and lost all control over my body for a moment and no matter how much I tried to just go with the experience my ego was relentless and unwavering to what I was going through and because of my ignorance I was "shown" hell. The aftermath lasted about a week of what I recognized as "Energetic healing sensations" which were felt in areas of the body I had already assumed needed healing which consisted of weird burning pains in the body and occasional sweats and only after I integrated those experiences and why I originally wanted to trip on mushrooms and why I trip in the first place I realized my error and shifted my vibration(lifestyle) which at the time I had let fall and since then every time I partake the experience just gets better and better and more profound because of the understanding me and the mushroom have. If that makes any sense? :shrug:

The mushroom wants to be experienced, but you have to be receptive. If that makes any sense? :shrug:

IMO this stuff can change lives( maybe the world ), with the right mindset anything is possible( within obvious physical reason and common sense if your desire is changing physical reality ).

I only say this because its happened to me and I have seen it happen to others first hand. the only problem is its hard to perpetuate the effects long term unless you really focus and ultimately let it happen and want it to happen. That's why a lot of people in the psychedelic community will refer to tripping as "Hitting The Reset Button"

:2cents:


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Re: How many grams for first trip? [Re: Hypnotoad420] * 1
    #21877139 - 06/30/15 09:08 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Hypnotoad420 said:
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bennylava said:
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Hypnotoad420 said:IME at first I was shown all my bullshit to my face and had to deal with it




This interests me greatly. Can you elaborate further on "you had to deal with it"?




Yes, In my first two mushroom trips which were back to back from Saturday to Sunday 2.5g/2.5g were both completely mental no visuals and with some of the most uncomfortable physical sensations of being upside down in your own skin and pain it gives me shivers just thinking about it.

I approached the mushrooms with the experience of having tripped on LSD lightly(5 times or so) and smoked weed(daily) so they kicked the shit out of me and what entailed was 5 hours of me laying in my bed and sitting in my chair in my room with thoughts of death and suicide and everything in between at one point I blacked out while getting up and lost all control over my body for a moment and no matter how much I tried to just go with the experience my ego was relentless and unwavering to what I was going through and because of my ignorance I was "shown" hell. The aftermath lasted about a week of what I recognized as "Energetic healing sensations" which were felt in areas of the body I had already assumed needed healing which consisted of weird burning pains in the body and occasional sweats and only after I integrated those experiences and why I originally wanted to trip on mushrooms and why I trip in the first place I realized my error and shifted my vibration(lifestyle) which at the time I had let fall and since then every time I partake the experience just gets better and better and more profound because of the understanding me and the mushroom have. If that makes any sense? :shrug:

The mushroom wants to be experienced, but you have to be receptive. If that makes any sense? :shrug:

IMO this stuff can change lives( maybe the world ), with the right mindset anything is possible( within obvious physical reason and common sense if your desire is changing physical reality ).

I only say this because its happened to me and I have seen it happen to others first hand. the only problem is its hard to perpetuate the effects long term unless you really focus and ultimately let it happen and want it to happen. That's why a lot of people in the psychedelic community will refer to tripping as "Hitting The Reset Button"

:2cents:




....set and setting bro....:awethumb:


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Re: How many grams for first trip? [Re: voodoochild1000]
    #21879294 - 06/30/15 05:43 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Hypnotoad420 said:
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bennylava said:
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Hypnotoad420 said:IME at first I was shown all my bullshit to my face and had to deal with it




This interests me greatly. Can you elaborate further on "you had to deal with it"?




Yes, In my first two mushroom trips which were back to back from Saturday to Sunday 2.5g/2.5g were both completely mental no visuals and with some of the most uncomfortable physical sensations of being upside down in your own skin and pain it gives me shivers just thinking about it.

I approached the mushrooms with the experience of having tripped on LSD lightly(5 times or so) and smoked weed(daily) so they kicked the shit out of me and what entailed was 5 hours of me laying in my bed and sitting in my chair in my room with thoughts of death and suicide and everything in between at one point I blacked out while getting up and lost all control over my body for a moment and no matter how much I tried to just go with the experience my ego was relentless and unwavering to what I was going through and because of my ignorance I was "shown" hell. The aftermath lasted about a week of what I recognized as "Energetic healing sensations" which were felt in areas of the body I had already assumed needed healing which consisted of weird burning pains in the body and occasional sweats and only after I integrated those experiences and why I originally wanted to trip on mushrooms and why I trip in the first place I realized my error and shifted my vibration(lifestyle) which at the time I had let fall and since then every time I partake the experience just gets better and better and more profound because of the understanding me and the mushroom have. If that makes any sense? :shrug:

The mushroom wants to be experienced, but you have to be receptive. If that makes any sense? :shrug:

IMO this stuff can change lives( maybe the world ), with the right mindset anything is possible( within obvious physical reason and common sense if your desire is changing physical reality ).

I only say this because its happened to me and I have seen it happen to others first hand. the only problem is its hard to perpetuate the effects long term unless you really focus and ultimately let it happen and want it to happen. That's why a lot of people in the psychedelic community will refer to tripping as "Hitting The Reset Button"

:2cents:




....set and setting bro....:awethumb:





and henceforth throughout the land let it be knowneth that under the conditions of set and setting one may hopeth to leadeth the path of good trippeth.

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Re: How many grams for first trip? [Re: Hypnotoad420]
    #21894943 - 07/03/15 11:02 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

What are you guys' personal favorite set and setting? I'm thinking my living room, and some good tripping music playing on the TV. Also, a small reverse disco light, that sits on the coffee table, and the house lights dimmed down a good deal.

With a trusted sitter there. Does this sound like a good set and setting? I'm really comfortable this way. Nature and woodsy trips will be in the future when I have more experience. Don't feel comfortable doing that right away.


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