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Re: Latest attempt to ban confederate flag [Re: psyconaught]
    #21872895 - 06/29/15 10:59 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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really? A shitty buzz feed video? You're better than that fal. This doesnt "prove" anything. The quality of your video sources has really been declining lately.



The video wasn't intended to "prove" white privilege, it was intended to help people understand it.

Affirmative action is like allowing the people in the back row move up a row.  Being against affirmative action is like people in the front row crying because they don't get to move up a row too.


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Re: Latest attempt to ban confederate flag [Re: ballsalsa]
    #21872917 - 06/29/15 11:02 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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here's a video that might help people understand white privilege:



it at least exists as a comedic construct :shrug:




Which is essentially based on exaggeration and satire, or not reality.  :lol:


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Re: Latest attempt to ban confederate flag [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #21873057 - 06/29/15 11:21 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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really? A shitty buzz feed video? You're better than that fal. This doesnt "prove" anything. The quality of your video sources has really been declining lately.



The video wasn't intended to "prove" white privilege, it was intended to help people understand it.

Affirmative action is like allowing the people in the back row move up a row.  Being against affirmative action is like people in the front row crying because they don't get to move up a row too.



No being against affirmative action is like the people in the front row being upset for getting punished for being in the front row even though they had no choice in the matter of where they were originally seated.


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Re: Latest attempt to ban confederate flag [Re: Stonehenge]
    #21873062 - 06/29/15 11:21 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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So few take the time to examine facts in a cold light rather than in the light of wingnut ideology.




Ignoring the examples I've now posted twice in this thread is exactly what I believe Enlil meant when he said "willfully blind." There are obvious examples of white privledge, just as there are obvious examples of black, male, female, good looking, wealthy, etc. privledge. Choosing not to notice them does not make them not real and part of some "wingnut ideology."


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Re: Latest attempt to ban confederate flag [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #21873071 - 06/29/15 11:23 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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psyconaught said:
really? A shitty buzz feed video? You're better than that fal. This doesnt "prove" anything. The quality of your video sources has really been declining lately.



The video wasn't intended to "prove" white privilege, it was intended to help people understand it.

Affirmative action is like allowing the people in the back row move up a row.  Being against affirmative action is like people in the front row crying because they don't get to move up a row too.




I think it's debatable whether or not affirmative action actually helps many people move up and where they are moving up from. There's a case to be made for it doing more harm than good.


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Re: Latest attempt to ban confederate flag [Re: psyconaught]
    #21873090 - 06/29/15 11:25 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Affirmative action is like allowing the people in the back row move up a row.  Being against affirmative action is like people in the front row crying because they don't get to move up a row too.



No being against affirmative action is like the people in the front row being upset for getting punished for being in the front row even though they had no choice in the matter of where they were originally seated.



Being in the front row isn't a punishment.


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Re: Latest attempt to ban confederate flag [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #21873114 - 06/29/15 11:29 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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really? A shitty buzz feed video? You're better than that fal. This doesnt "prove" anything. The quality of your video sources has really been declining lately.



The video wasn't intended to "prove" white privilege, it was intended to help people understand it.

Affirmative action is like allowing the people in the back row move up a row.  Being against affirmative action is like people in the front row crying because they don't get to move up a row too.




"Affirmative action is like allowing the people in the back row move up a row"

No it's not, AA is based on moving people up a row based on nothing more than RACE!!  In fact it might be helping people that don't need the preferential treatment and it doesn't address helping the disadvantaged people that aren't the correct race for this policy.

AA only tries to help people that aren't white, it's not based on need, it's based on race. AA is a racist policy that at the end of the day does much more harm than good.


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Re: Latest attempt to ban confederate flag [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #21873174 - 06/29/15 11:35 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Affirmative action is like allowing the people in the back row move up a row.  Being against affirmative action is like people in the front row crying because they don't get to move up a row too.



No being against affirmative action is like the people in the front row being upset for getting punished for being in the front row even though they had no choice in the matter of where they were originally seated.



Being in the front row isn't a punishment.



thats not what i said. The people in the front row had no choice in the matter when they were seated (born into it). Affirmative action punishes those in the front row by moving them back just because they happened to be placed upfront.


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Re: Latest attempt to ban confederate flag [Re: qman]
    #21873218 - 06/29/15 11:43 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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AA is based on moving people up a row based on nothing more than RACE!!  In fact it might be helping people that don't need the preferential treatment and it doesn't address helping the disadvantaged people that aren't the correct race for this policy.



Fair enough. Perhaps a better way is to give preferential treatment to disadvantaged people.  Most of the help would likely end up going to minorities anyway.


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Re: Latest attempt to ban confederate flag [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #21873442 - 06/29/15 12:25 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

You giys are ignoring the real problem here;  THIN PRIVILEGE!    fat people are discriminated in the olympic athlete try outs.  Thia is a grave injustice.  Thin people get so many privelidges its just so unfair boo hoo hoo.


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Re: Latest attempt to ban confederate flag [Re: Shins]
    #21873473 - 06/29/15 12:35 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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You giys are ignoring the real problem here;  THIN PRIVILEGE!    fat people are discriminated in the olympic athlete try outs.  Thia is a grave injustice.  Thin people get so many privelidges its just so unfair boo hoo hoo.



don't forget black privilege. Theres too many blacks on our sprint team. Why are whites so disadvantaged?


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Re: Latest attempt to ban confederate flag [Re: Stonehenge]
    #21873519 - 06/29/15 12:49 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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>Being a bigot is falling out of fashion.  Large distributors are recognizing that.  I don't see how that equals thoughtcrime.

So demanding extra rights and special treatment/ handouts for certain racial groups is out of fashion? No, it seems to be growing more and more. I think you mean complaining about this type of racism gets attacked by the bigots.




Nice to see your vague AA strawman has hit four pages Stonehenge.  Nice job!

I still don't see how Wal-Mart's latest PR campaign equates to some sort of bullying or thought policing from the left but hey, it's the internet so...

:themoreyouknow:


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Re: Latest attempt to ban confederate flag [Re: qman]
    #21873581 - 06/29/15 01:08 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

> AA is based on moving people up a row based on nothing more than RACE!!
>AA only tries to help people that aren't white, it's not based on need, it's based on race. AA is a racist policy that at the end of the day does much more harm than good.

Exactly true. How can anyone look at race based privilege like this and tell you its not racism? Only a loony leftist can do it with a straight face. Black privilege is based on facts, on laws and policies that discriminate in favor of blacks, also in favor of certain other groups.

Liberals are all emo, they do not think things through logically.


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Re: Latest attempt to ban confederate flag [Re: Stonehenge]
    #21873798 - 06/29/15 02:11 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Obviously affirmative action (as applied to racial preference) is racist.  Racism isn't illegal, however, and there have still been no attempts to ban the confederate flag in the U.S.


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Re: Latest attempt to ban confederate flag [Re: Enlil]
    #21873836 - 06/29/15 02:21 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Looks like we need AA for olympic track athletes.


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Re: Latest attempt to ban confederate flag [Re: Shins]
    #21873848 - 06/29/15 02:24 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3142555/Walmart-store-bakes-man-ISIS-cake-refusing-ice-Confederate-flag-design.html

Chuck Netzhammer submitted a request for cake featuring photo of the Confederate flag, with words 'Heritage Not Hate' printed on it, to Walmart

Local store in Louisiana denied request in wake of Charleston tmassacre

Following day, Netzhammer handed in second submission: for ISIS cake

Incredibly, Walmart 'iced the terror group's black-and-white flag on cake'


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Re: Latest attempt to ban confederate flag [Re: Shins]
    #21873920 - 06/29/15 02:46 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Yes, how idiotic that someone would ask for a cake walmart doesn't want to sell and then fly another cake they don't want to sell under an associates radar....  and then use it to point out 'walmart's hypocrisy'.


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Re: Latest attempt to ban confederate flag [Re: paperbackwriter]
    #21873932 - 06/29/15 02:49 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

What it shows is the level of ignorance and how easily manipulated the average American is.


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Re: Latest attempt to ban confederate flag [Re: Shins]
    #21873991 - 06/29/15 03:04 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I'd agree that the average american is ignorant as to what an ISIS flag looks like.  I'd also agree that this man manipulated the situation in order to try and shame Walmart.

Glad we agree.


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Re: Latest attempt to ban confederate flag [Re: paperbackwriter]
    #21874001 - 06/29/15 03:09 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

pbw, you are the same guy who told us giving special breaks to people based on race is not racism. You have been discredited for all time.


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