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Re: Latest attempt to ban confederate flag [Re: Enlil]
#21850436 - 06/24/15 01:13 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Enlil said: No flag should be banned, and there's no chance that a flag will be banned in the U.S. unless the First Amendment is drastically changed by amendment.
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Enlil said: No flag should be banned, and there's no chance that a flag will be banned in the U.S. unless the First Amendment is drastically changed by amendment.
Youre talking like the constitution actually still has any clout today and as if it hasnt been disregarded 100 times already.
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Re: Latest attempt to ban confederate flag [Re: Shins]
#21850527 - 06/24/15 01:33 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Can you cite an example where the government has banned any flag?
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Re: Latest attempt to ban confederate flag [Re: Enlil]
#21850560 - 06/24/15 01:43 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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No, but that doesn't mean that the constitution is not being trampled on in many other ways and thst if politicians wanted to ban flags enough the constitution would stop them.
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Re: Latest attempt to ban confederate flag [Re: Shins]
#21850712 - 06/24/15 02:24 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I'm pretty confident that any flag ban would be struck down very quickly.
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Re: Latest attempt to ban confederate flag [Re: Enlil]
#21851789 - 06/24/15 06:12 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Astral Pain said: Durham has decided to stick with Blue Cross Blue Shield and stay away from Aetna due to past slave policies. Going with Aetna would save the city $700,000 over a the next three years.
I'm personally glad to see that some factor other than money is being taken into consideration.
I think if it saves tax payers money and they were given the choice, they would have opted for Aetna. Even hardcore liberals wouldn't have taken the hit in the pocketbook in attempts to prove a point under these circumstances.
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Re: Latest attempt to ban confederate flag [Re: Astral Pain]
#21851889 - 06/24/15 06:31 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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>I think if it saves tax payers money and they were given the choice, they would have opted for Aetna. Even hardcore liberals wouldn't have taken the hit in the pocketbook in attempts to prove a point under these circumstances.
Of course. Even the most hard core moonbats don't want to pay any extra. They are happy for someone else to pay more so they can skate by but if they have to pay more themselves or do business with someone flying the rebel flag, they will hold their nose and go with the lowest cost.
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Re: Latest attempt to ban confederate flag [Re: Stonehenge] 1
#21854018 - 06/25/15 07:34 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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racist right wing cry is off the charts over this one.
time to invest in Kleenex?
suck it up losers
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Astral Pain said: I stated it will be even worse than before. There's a pretty big spotlight on it. If some people didn't didn't have any thoughts about it at this point, they certainly will now.
I'll bet sales of confederate flags will go through the roof.
Yep. Flag manufacturers are stopping production of the confederate flag. Not that people really want to own a confederate flag for what it represents, but scarcity will inherently increase the value.
http://www.wcnc.com/story/news/politics/2015/06/24/confederate-flags-hot-commodity-as-production-ceases/29231755/
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Re: Latest attempt to ban confederate flag [Re: Astral Pain]
#21857450 - 06/25/15 09:48 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Astral Pain said: Yep. Flag manufacturers are stopping production of the confederate flag. Not that people really want to own a confederate flag for what it represents, but scarcity will inherently increase the value.
http://www.wcnc.com/story/news/politics/2015/06/24/confederate-flags-hot-commodity-as-production-ceases/29231755/
And they mocked and laughed when I said they were trying to ban it. Since they couldn't outright ban it they simply bully stores into not selling it, then bully the manufacturers. But what about overseas? This is just another blunder because the Chinese will crank them out by the millions and they will be more popular than ever.
Then what, do they try to get people fired for displaying or possessing a flag? They do that now just for saying a word, this would be no stretch. The hidden message is 'conform or die'.
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Re: Latest attempt to ban confederate flag [Re: Stonehenge]
#21857512 - 06/25/15 10:00 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Astral Pain said: Yep. Flag manufacturers are stopping production of the confederate flag.
And they mocked and laughed when I said they were trying to ban it.
And we're still mocking and laughing at you for saying they are trying to ban it.
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Re: Latest attempt to ban confederate flag [Re: SneezingPenis]
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Re: Latest attempt to ban confederate flag [Re: SneezingPenis] 1
#21857809 - 06/25/15 10:58 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Doesn't look like a ban to me.
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Re: Latest attempt to ban confederate flag [Re: Enlil]
#21857957 - 06/25/15 11:34 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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when government institutions request that a civil war flag not be sold at the most famous site of the civil war?
I am ok with private enterprise doing what it wants, but come on. this is verging on banning.
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Re: Latest attempt to ban confederate flag [Re: SneezingPenis]
#21858092 - 06/26/15 12:07 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I know you want with all of your being to cry 'They're banning the confederate flag!', but that's just not the case.
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Re: Latest attempt to ban confederate flag [Re: Bigbadwooof]
#21858213 - 06/26/15 12:50 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I don't care about any flag flying anywhere, what I care about is the reason. Being offensive is not a reason, its a subjective perception and not enough to warrant action. If someone wants to cite a better reason, like improved tourism numbers or something, I can get behind that. Otherwise you are offending one group of people, to not offend another group of people and you have actually just generated more divisive racial tension than there was before.
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Re: Latest attempt to ban confederate flag [Re: Stonehenge]
#21858241 - 06/26/15 01:04 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Astral Pain said: Yep. Flag manufacturers are stopping production of the confederate flag. Not that people really want to own a confederate flag for what it represents, but scarcity will inherently increase the value.
http://www.wcnc.com/story/news/politics/2015/06/24/confederate-flags-hot-commodity-as-production-ceases/29231755/
And they mocked and laughed when I said they were trying to ban it. Since they couldn't outright ban it they simply bully stores into not selling it, then bully the manufacturers. But what about overseas? This is just another blunder because the Chinese will crank them out by the millions and they will be more popular than ever.
Then what, do they try to get people fired for displaying or possessing a flag? They do that now just for saying a word, this would be no stretch. The hidden message is 'conform or die'.
It's cultural marxism and it's a piece of cake to achieve these days with all the social media going on. After the SC incident it was just a matter of days to get he flag taken out of the equation in numerous incidences because emotion spreads like wild fire. Think how long it would have taken 30 years ago for something like this too evolve. Think of how word spread before smartphones, cable, or internet. Unthinkable.
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Re: Latest attempt to ban confederate flag [Re: Astral Pain]
#21859125 - 06/26/15 09:34 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Astral Pain said: Yep. Flag manufacturers are stopping production of the confederate flag. Not that people really want to own a confederate flag for what it represents, but scarcity will inherently increase the value.
http://www.wcnc.com/story/news/politics/2015/06/24/confederate-flags-hot-commodity-as-production-ceases/29231755/
And they mocked and laughed when I said they were trying to ban it. Since they couldn't outright ban it they simply bully stores into not selling it, then bully the manufacturers. But what about overseas? This is just another blunder because the Chinese will crank them out by the millions and they will be more popular than ever.
Then what, do they try to get people fired for displaying or possessing a flag? They do that now just for saying a word, this would be no stretch. The hidden message is 'conform or die'.
It's cultural marxism and it's a piece of cake to achieve these days with all the social media going on. After the SC incident it was just a matter of days to get he flag taken out of the equation in numerous incidences because emotion spreads like wild fire. Think how long it would have taken 30 years ago for something like this too evolve. Think of how word spread before smartphones, cable, or internet. Unthinkable.
Yeah, the demagogues are having a field day. What will they try to ban next? Cultural Marxism is good, or perhaps a bit more like pol pot's crackdown on culture in Cambodia? They killed all people with education, destroyed schools and books.
The left seems to like the police state and totalitarianism even more than the far right. You never see a leftist speak against making things a thought crime. Stalin instituted totalitarianism and he was a commie.
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Re: Latest attempt to ban confederate flag [Re: Stonehenge]
#21859252 - 06/26/15 10:01 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Being a bigot is falling out of fashion. Large distributors are recognizing that. I don't see how that equals thoughtcrime.
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>Being a bigot is falling out of fashion. Large distributors are recognizing that. I don't see how that equals thoughtcrime.
So demanding extra rights and special treatment/ handouts for certain racial groups is out of fashion? No, it seems to be growing more and more. I think you mean complaining about this type of racism gets attacked by the bigots.
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