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Re: Latest attempt to ban confederate flag [Re: Stonehenge]
#21977830 - 07/21/15 09:57 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Oh my god. Sorry I'm late returning to the party. ^ my god that is a mouth full^ this notion of saying the confederate flag doesn't revolve around racism is as infantile as saying the swastika doesn't represent the Nazis. Although it was used as a symbol of good luck a thousand years ago in India Asia, it NOW represents something else. To fly it these days in hopes of wishing people good luck is with out a doubt going to be misconstrued. Same situation here with this flag. It means racism. What you say isn't worth shit because we all (except a few stubborn holdouts) agree on its meaning. Why would you want to be associated with known racists if you weren't one? I'm speaking directly to you azur. I'll repeat AZUR: WHY WOULD YOU WANT TO BE ASSOCIATED WITH KNOWN RACISTS? are they really the ignorant ones or is there something you're ready to admit? Also the union people you speak of didn't kill their brothers to keep their slaves did they? P.S. civil liberty isn't a fucking state sovereignty issue (in case there were doubts)
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Dude, chill out. I give everyone the benefit of the doubt. Who said i want to be associated with known racists? Answer me this: I have a car i am selling. The other day two guys came to look at it. Well, my young children were playing outside and they ran in and said, "dad, there's two black guys outside looking at the car!" I asked why he said it like that and he said in this neighborhood, it's more likely that black people steal. He is 11 years old! And i have made a huge effort to shield him and his brother from any racial slurs or anyone who uses them. So...it's not something he heard, but rather something he observed. I've never owned a rebel flag or anything with it on it. But who am i to say someone shouldn't be allowed to fly it. Or a black panther flag. Or a fucking cross. Live and let live. The world is one big stinky pussy nowadays
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Re: Latest attempt to ban confederate flag [Re: DottoreWolfe]
#21977884 - 07/21/15 10:07 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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DottoreWolfe said: I am a lifetime southerner, and confederate (I believe these united states of America were always meant to be a confederacy, not a single nation, and the federal governments continual encroachment on state's rights has turned us into what we are today). (mind you, I'm studying psych pre-law at Humboldt State and want to go to law school to help restore the constitution, I am no traitor).
i think you are confused
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With the collapse of the confederacy the federal government took on a larger role then ever before and officially ended the notion that the United States was a confederacy
do you think that the Article of Confederation have anything to do with the confederacy? if so, you are mistaken. What ended the notion that the United States was a confederacy was the Constitution which was ratified by the 13th and final state Rhode Island on May 29th 1790. although the first United States Congress had already convened for the first time on March 4th 1789
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federal government has encroached way past the lines set by our founding fathers
If you are talking about the Constitution, then cite an example from the Constitution
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I simply believe in the notion that the united states is a confederacy
but...it's not...before you dedicate too much time to your education, you might want to give this a quick read: http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/constitution_transcript.html
I know the articles of confederation ended with the ratification of the constitution, but I say that even the constitution kept our country as a confederation (and this is why we call our states states). The confederate states of America did have a lot to do with the articles of confederation, the confederate states based their entire belief system of the principle of states' right to nullification and states right to supremacy in certain cases, whilst limiting the federal government's power to essentially only fight wars, make treaties, buy land, admit states and make laws (I mean obviously they did other things too). This ideology goes hand in hand with the political belief during the time of the articles of confederation and the states' rights at that time.
And you would like me to name one line of the federal government encroaching passed the line set by the constitution? I can name plenty, the EPA case that was just settled recently that essentially said federal government can not tell states how much goal they can burn without a proper period of warning, debate, etc. Heres another: Amnesty issued to 1.5 million illegals by president Obama (he has no right to change immigration policy, that must be done by congress or the states). Another? how about the controlled substance act of 1970? The reason alcohol prohibition required an amendment to become law is because no where in the constitution does it allow government to regulate what we put in our bodies. Thusly, the controlled substance act is not valid because it's implementation would have required a constitutional amendment not an approved bill, just like alcohol prohibition. Another? The Patriot Act and the USA Freedom act, allows for "special case" judges to approve warrants with little to no evidence required, far lesser than the probable cause constitutionally ensured to us. These bills allow monitoring of our cell phones, roving wiretaps, bulk data collection, etc with little to no evidence, what happened to the 4th amendment to the U.S. constitution. Do not ever give up your freedom for a little, bit of safety. Remember we all have rights and just because you don't use certain rights (like the right to bear arms) doesn't mean you shouldn't protect that right for others... here is a quote about Hitler's SS by a prominent pastor living in Germany: "First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out, Because I was not a Socialist. Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out Because I was not a Trade Unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out Because I was not a Jew. Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me". This is how your freedoms get stripped, do not let them take away peoples right to wear confederate flags in schools and other buildings, because when they come to take away your right to wear a cross or your anarchy shirt, in the same buildings, who will stand up for you?
Don't be a bully, let me be me and let me express myself, how come I cant express myself in state schools whilst gay people can wear rainbow flags and others' can wear crosses (bible is full of hate, stone adulterers, kill gays), but I wear a confederate flag and I am the on in trouble. You are either free or your not, there is no midway, kind of free, and I do not feel free, because I am banned from expressing my self. Liberals want equality, love, freedom for all, but trust me you don't get there by stripping away the freedoms of others, you get there by granting more freedom to the people. Talk about a nanny government.
Hey bud you can fly that flag until your heart is full. If we were going to take it from you we would have after y'all lost, right? Law school man think about that. But we didn't because it's America. The debate is about the meaning. How come all of America knows what it means except a couple of you guys? Is all of America ignorant but you? Go fly your flag in New York city times square buster and let us know.
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Re: Latest attempt to ban confederate flag [Re: azur]
#21977886 - 07/21/15 10:07 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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It's something they learned from you, most likely.
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Re: Latest attempt to ban confederate flag [Re: Enlil]
#21977911 - 07/21/15 10:11 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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What is your and a bunch of other over sensitive people think is not fact. And there's no proof either way. Believe me, i used to think just like you. Then i opened my mind and sought out real knowledge. I challenge you to do the same.Quote:
Enlil said: It's something they learned from you, most likely.
Enlil, you stupid fuck. I hesitated mentioning that story because i knew someone would say that. I have black friends and a black employee. I treat them the same as anyone else. Go back to paralegaling
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Check out this union general. Are you familiar with this story? Btw, beautiful place i canoe at often.
http://georgiahistory.com/ghmi_marker_updated/march-to-the-sea-ebenezer-creek/
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Re: Latest attempt to ban confederate flag [Re: azur]
#21977960 - 07/21/15 10:23 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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the guy sounds like a true prick. Sherman though, he was a brilliant(if brutal)strategist.
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Re: Latest attempt to ban confederate flag [Re: ballsalsa]
#21977984 - 07/21/15 10:29 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yea. Fucked up story. Basically, everything is always fucked up. I could cry about a million things...or i could enjoy a million things.
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Re: Latest attempt to ban confederate flag [Re: azur]
#21977992 - 07/21/15 10:30 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Enlil, you stupid fuck.
Watch the flaming bro....shit like that can get you banned.
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Re: Latest attempt to ban confederate flag [Re: Enlil]
#21978026 - 07/21/15 10:40 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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True. I am sorry. Was just pissed because i knew that was coming, and it's not the case.
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Re: Latest attempt to ban confederate flag [Re: azur] 1
#21978048 - 07/21/15 10:47 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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It probably is the case, whether you know it or not. It's probably impossible to shield your children from your own racism no matter how hard you try.
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Re: Latest attempt to ban confederate flag [Re: Enlil]
#21978060 - 07/21/15 10:51 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I see your point, and it would be a good one if i was a racist. I have a sense of humor. That's all.
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Re: Latest attempt to ban confederate flag [Re: azur] 1
#21979190 - 07/22/15 07:09 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Lol, he likes to troll now and then doesn't he? Calls you a racist but threatens to ban you for replying in kind.
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Re: Latest attempt to ban confederate flag [Re: azur]
#21979249 - 07/22/15 07:42 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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azur said: Check out this union general. Are you familiar with this story? Btw, beautiful place i canoe at often.
http://georgiahistory.com/ghmi_marker_updated/march-to-the-sea-ebenezer-creek/
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Davis hastily removed the pontoon bridges over the creek
OK why, hastily is the question. That paragraph doesn't give you a lot of information.
I'm currently reading Fierce Patriot, a new book on Sherman
Looking ahead to the next chapter, Gen. Davis was behind schedule, Wheelers's Cavalry closing from the rear.
I think you're overlooking what Wheeler did.
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Re: Latest attempt to ban confederate flag [Re: Stonehenge] 1
#21979255 - 07/22/15 07:45 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Stonehenge said: Lol, he likes to troll now and then doesn't he? Calls you a racist but threatens to ban you for replying in kind.
He trolls all the time
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thebitterbuffalo26 said: Oh my god. Sorry I'm late returning to the party. ^ my god that is a mouth full^ this notion of saying the confederate flag doesn't revolve around racism is as infantile as saying the swastika doesn't represent the Nazis. Although it was used as a symbol of good luck a thousand years ago in India Asia, it NOW represents something else. To fly it these days in hopes of wishing people good luck is with out a doubt going to be misconstrued. Same situation here with this flag. It means racism. What you say isn't worth shit because we all (except a few stubborn holdouts) agree on its meaning.
Well said. I'll add . You lost the war. Don't make us come back down there.
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Re: Latest attempt to ban confederate flag [Re: spock]
#21979493 - 07/22/15 08:57 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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"us"? lol
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Re: Latest attempt to ban confederate flag [Re: Stonehenge]
#21979520 - 07/22/15 09:08 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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See as fucked up as it is, I love my country. So yeah us(U.S.)
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thebitterbuffalo26 said: Oh my god. Sorry I'm late returning to the party. ^ my god that is a mouth full^ this notion of saying the confederate flag doesn't revolve around racism is as infantile as saying the swastika doesn't represent the Nazis. Although it was used as a symbol of good luck a thousand years ago in India Asia, it NOW represents something else. To fly it these days in hopes of wishing people good luck is with out a doubt going to be misconstrued. Same situation here with this flag. It means racism. What you say isn't worth shit because we all (except a few stubborn holdouts) agree on its meaning. Why would you want to be associated with known racists if you weren't one? I'm speaking directly to you azur. I'll repeat AZUR: WHY WOULD YOU WANT TO BE ASSOCIATED WITH KNOWN RACISTS? are they really the ignorant ones or is there something you're ready to admit? Also the union people you speak of didn't kill their brothers to keep their slaves did they? P.S. civil liberty isn't a fucking state sovereignty issue (in case there were doubts)
The confederate flag isn't banned and is still being displayed in private venues such as Nascar races, those people don't view themselves as racists, deal with it.
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Re: Latest attempt to ban confederate flag [Re: qman]
#21979571 - 07/22/15 09:22 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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qman said: The confederate flag isn't banned and is still being displayed in private venues such as Nascar races, those people don't view themselves as racists, deal with it.
But not by Nascar. Indviduals should have the right to do what they want(almost). The flag in question has no buisness on govt. property.
http://www.nascar.com/en_us/news-media/articles/2015/6/23/nascar-statement-charleston-support-south-carolina-governor-nikki-haley-confederate-flag.html
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Edited by spock (07/22/15 09:25 AM)
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