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Re: Latest attempt to ban confederate flag [Re: azur]
    #21932903 - 07/12/15 10:58 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Latest attempt to ban confederate flag [Re: azur]
    #21932923 - 07/12/15 11:02 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

A question for the pc crowd. If Lincoln was the one who emancipated negroes, why is it they do not pay him any homage or respect? Because he was white of course.


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Re: Latest attempt to ban confederate flag [Re: Stonehenge]
    #21933039 - 07/12/15 11:26 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

What did Lincoln say after a 3 day drunk?


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Re: Latest attempt to ban confederate flag [Re: azur]
    #21933127 - 07/12/15 11:47 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

How is this thread 22 pages long? It should have been over after the second post...nobody's trying to ban the flag.  Done.


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Re: Latest attempt to ban confederate flag [Re: clam_dude]
    #21935489 - 07/12/15 10:48 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

http://news.yahoo.com/confederate-flag-supporters-rise-defend-embattled-symbol-222059682.html

"That flag has a lot of different meanings to a lot of different people," said David Stone, 38, who organized the event. "It doesn't symbolize hate unless you think it's hate - and that's your problem, not mine.”

Well put David Stone.


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Re: Latest attempt to ban confederate flag [Re: clam_dude]
    #21935578 - 07/12/15 11:26 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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How is this thread 22 pages long? It should have been over after the second post...nobody's trying to ban the flag.  Done.




Exactly. The flag isn't being banned. Although there was never any reason to cry, you can surely stop in light of that fact ;-)


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Re: Latest attempt to ban confederate flag [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #21935602 - 07/12/15 11:35 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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"That flag has a lot of different meanings to a lot of different people," said David Stone, 38, who organized the event. "It doesn't symbolize hate unless you think it's hate - and that's your problem, not mine.”





One could say the same about the swastika.


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Re: Latest attempt to ban confederate flag [Re: clam_dude]
    #21935607 - 07/12/15 11:37 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Indeed


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Re: Latest attempt to ban confederate flag [Re: Stonehenge]
    #21935627 - 07/12/15 11:44 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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A question for the pc crowd. If Lincoln was the one who emancipated negroes, why is it they do not pay him any homage or respect? Because he was white of course.




Most people I've met who aren't racists like you think that being "pc" is bullshit. Nice try.


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Re: Latest attempt to ban confederate flag [Re: clam_dude]
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Re: Latest attempt to ban confederate flag [Re: SneezingPenis] * 1
    #21935799 - 07/13/15 12:51 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I am a lifetime southerner, and confederate (I believe these united states of America were always meant to be a confederacy, not a single nation, and the federal governments continual encroachment on state's rights has turned us into what we are today). The civil war, in my (and many others') opinion was fought over states' rights, not slavery. The civil war was really started by the secession of South Carolina due to the debate over state rights (which was really stirred up by John C. Calhoun), slavery may have been one of the states' rights being contested, but so were taxes, states role in tribal relations, etc.
    I wear a confederate flag t shirt here in Humboldt county and have been yelled at, being called a "traitor" (mind you, I'm studying psych pre-law at Humboldt State and want to go to law school to help restore the constitution, I am no traitor). Humboldt county is known to be the most liberal county in America, and they seem to think calling people names is so terrible and that we should limit free speech if its derogatory (there should be no limits on free speech, in my opinion)...yet here these people go calling me a traitor for simply using my freedom of expression to express myself and show that I am proud of my culture. Its disgusting the way they treat the confederate flag today, many states like Missouri(?) had citizens vote, to keep the confederate flag as part of state flag and license plate and the citizens, overwhelmingly, voted to keep it. The confederate flag is a symbol of limited government, no infringement on personal rights, and most importantly states rights.
    With the collapse of the confederacy the federal government took on a larger role then ever before and officially ended the notion that the United States was a confederacy (like it was meant to be..."state" by definition means a country, that's why we call the our states "states", instead of provinces...because we were simply a bunch of sovereign countries acting as a single entity (like the EU sometimes), not one single country). I love the confederacy, I love what they stand for and always will, federal government has encroached way past the lines set by our founding fathers, states used to have all the power, now they get to regulate schools and the state parks, using money they have to beg the federal government for. It's terrible people treat the confederate flag like a swastika, I will wave my flag forever, but I can't even wear my flag to school because I fear the liberal professors will treat me like I had a SS bolts on my neck (not to mention they'd probably tell me that it is a hate symbol and that I am not allowed to wear it [even though I feel freedom of speech and expression should protect the infringement on my right to wear something without vulgar/obscenity]).
    If a state votes to keep their confederate flag the federal government should have ZERO say as to what flags these states chose to fly and hold dear. To all those who hate my confederate flag, well that sucks, just don't call me a traitor its offensive, I am no racist, I am a patriotic, kind-hearted American and I simply believe in the notion that the united states is a confederacy and that states power ought to encompass much more than federal power.



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Re: Latest attempt to ban confederate flag [Re: DottoreWolfe]
    #21935888 - 07/13/15 01:46 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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... It's terrible people treat the confederate flag like a swastika...
I am no racist[/url]




How ironic... see Stoney, this is the kind of asshole we're talking about. He proclaims he's not a racist; that the confederate flag doesn't reflect his racism, etc. Forgetting that his avatar pic is a fucking swaztica. It's a farce. You people are so full of shit.

Come on... this is just getting stupid.


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Re: Latest attempt to ban confederate flag [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #21935901 - 07/13/15 01:52 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

his isn't the nazi swastika...


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Re: Latest attempt to ban confederate flag [Re: DottoreWolfe]
    #21935934 - 07/13/15 02:24 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I am a lifetime southerner, and confederate (I believe these united states of America were always meant to be a confederacy, not a single nation, and the federal governments continual encroachment on state's rights has turned us into what we are today).
   
(mind you, I'm studying psych pre-law at Humboldt State and want to go to law school to help restore the constitution, I am no traitor).





i think you are confused

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With the collapse of the confederacy the federal government took on a larger role then ever before and officially ended the notion that the United States was a confederacy




do you think that the Article of Confederation have anything to do with the confederacy?  if so, you are mistaken.  What ended the notion that the United States was a confederacy was the Constitution which was ratified by the 13th and final state Rhode Island on May 29th 1790. although the first United States Congress had already convened for the first time on March 4th 1789


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federal government has encroached way past the lines set by our founding fathers




If you are talking about the Constitution, then cite an example from the Constitution

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I simply believe in the notion that the united states is a confederacy




but...it's not...before you dedicate too much time to your education, you might want to give this a quick read: http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/constitution_transcript.html


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Re: Latest attempt to ban confederate flag [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #21936310 - 07/13/15 08:00 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Woof, if you look more closely you will see that it is not the Nazi version of the swastika but the ancient version that has been used for thousands of years.


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Re: Latest attempt to ban confederate flag [Re: Stonehenge]
    #21936345 - 07/13/15 08:14 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

The ones that claim to be open minded haven't even opened their eyes


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Re: Latest attempt to ban confederate flag [Re: azur]
    #21936800 - 07/13/15 10:59 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Here is a black guy who gets it and is proud to fly the confederate flag. Al mccray

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-confederate-flag-tampa-20150626-story.html#page=2


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Re: Latest attempt to ban confederate flag [Re: DottoreWolfe]
    #21936845 - 07/13/15 11:14 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I am a lifetime southerner, and confederate (I believe these united states of America were always meant to be a confederacy, not a single nation, and the federal governments continual encroachment on state's rights has turned us into what we are today). The civil war, in my (and many others') opinion was fought over states' rights, not slavery. The civil war was really started by the secession of South Carolina due to the debate over state rights (which was really stirred up by John C. Calhoun), slavery may have been one of the states' rights being contested, but so were taxes, states role in tribal relations, etc.
    I wear a confederate flag t shirt here in Humboldt county and have been yelled at, being called a "traitor" (mind you, I'm studying psych pre-law at Humboldt State and want to go to law school to help restore the constitution, I am no traitor). Humboldt county is known to be the most liberal county in America, and they seem to think calling people names is so terrible and that we should limit free speech if its derogatory (there should be no limits on free speech, in my opinion)...yet here these people go calling me a traitor for simply using my freedom of expression to express myself and show that I am proud of my culture. Its disgusting the way they treat the confederate flag today, many states like Missouri(?) had citizens vote, to keep the confederate flag as part of state flag and license plate and the citizens, overwhelmingly, voted to keep it. The confederate flag is a symbol of limited government, no infringement on personal rights, and most importantly states rights.
    With the collapse of the confederacy the federal government took on a larger role then ever before and officially ended the notion that the United States was a confederacy (like it was meant to be..."state" by definition means a country, that's why we call the our states "states", instead of provinces...because we were simply a bunch of sovereign countries acting as a single entity (like the EU sometimes), not one single country). I love the confederacy, I love what they stand for and always will, federal government has encroached way past the lines set by our founding fathers, states used to have all the power, now they get to regulate schools and the state parks, using money they have to beg the federal government for. It's terrible people treat the confederate flag like a swastika, I will wave my flag forever, but I can't even wear my flag to school because I fear the liberal professors will treat me like I had a SS bolts on my neck (not to mention they'd probably tell me that it is a hate symbol and that I am not allowed to wear it [even though I feel freedom of speech and expression should protect the infringement on my right to wear something without vulgar/obscenity]).
    If a state votes to keep their confederate flag the federal government should have ZERO say as to what flags these states chose to fly and hold dear. To all those who hate my confederate flag, well that sucks, just don't call me a traitor its offensive, I am no racist, I am a patriotic, kind-hearted American and I simply believe in the notion that the united states is a confederacy and that states power ought to encompass much more than federal power.






So liberals in California are trying to limit free speech, how surprising.


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Re: Latest attempt to ban confederate flag [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #21937353 - 07/13/15 01:35 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Quote:

DottoreWolfe said:
... It's terrible people treat the confederate flag like a swastika...
I am no racist[/url]




How ironic... see Stoney, this is the kind of asshole we're talking about. He proclaims he's not a racist; that the confederate flag doesn't reflect his racism, etc. Forgetting that his avatar pic is a fucking swaztica. It's a farce. You people are so full of shit.

Come on... this is just getting stupid.





Your acting like a simpleton, my avatar is not a Nazi swastika... the Nazi swastika is inverted and mirrored... my avatar is a Buddhist symbol of love, peace and unity. You can see the symbol I use as my avatar all over Buddhist temples (I am a Buddhist). Why don't you look a Nazi Swastika and then look at my avatar, you will see they are quiet radically different (as different as an "S" is vs. a "Z")


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Re: Latest attempt to ban confederate flag [Re: DottoreWolfe]
    #21937384 - 07/13/15 01:42 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Oh my god its a sunwheel.

dude the libs have no idea what flags mean anyways


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