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Re: Latest attempt to ban confederate flag [Re: Enlil]
#21927915 - 07/11/15 08:40 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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azur said: As for free Negroes in the southern states, about 10% of them owned slaves.
A bit of a misleading statement. The vast majority of black slave owners were freed men who purchased their wives and children so that they could be free.
Well then why did you just call them "black slave owners?"
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Re: Latest attempt to ban confederate flag [Re: azur]
#21927923 - 07/11/15 08:42 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Because they were black and became slave owners at the moment they purchased their wives....
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Re: Latest attempt to ban confederate flag [Re: Enlil]
#21927929 - 07/11/15 08:44 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Uh huh
Keep it real Enlil. I'm out. Busy day. Stay cool everyone
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Re: Latest attempt to ban confederate flag [Re: azur]
#21927937 - 07/11/15 08:47 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yeah I'm real bitter about redneck rebels. Seriously? You think my life revolves around this lol You're facts are not to be trusted btw, as evidenced by the link you posted. What I am bitter about is how people disguise their true selves to keep their flaws intact without acknowledging they exist. You want to be an anarchist? Fine. Rebel? Fine. Racist? Fine. BUT BE A MAN AND OWN IT. Don't hide behind history and heritage that's really just fiction. Clearly I'm not a perfect person, I admit. I get emotional, defensive, and throw around a little too many insults. I try to do the right things though. And I'm not afraid to speak up when something stinks like shit.
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Re: Latest attempt to ban confederate flag [Re: Enlil]
#21927944 - 07/11/15 08:49 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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>The vast majority of black slave owners were freed men who purchased their wives and children so that they could be free.
Again with the unsupported statements. Just opinion really with no value beyond that just like bitter's babbling.
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Re: Latest attempt to ban confederate flag [Re: stevo]
#21927947 - 07/11/15 08:49 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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It's not about being racist or not. It's about being considerate.
A very large portion of the population find the confederate flag offensive. If you don't give a fuck who you offend, that's your right. No one is telling you that you aren't allowed to be offensive.
Fly a Nazi flag for all I care. Just understand that in doing so, you're sending a message even if you don't intend that message.
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Re: Latest attempt to ban confederate flag [Re: Stonehenge]
#21927952 - 07/11/15 08:52 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Stonehenge said: >The vast majority of black slave owners were freed men who purchased their wives and children so that they could be free.
Again with the unsupported statements. Just opinion really with no value beyond that just like bitter's babbling.
Hey at least this guy is trying to use reason, facts, and logic in this debate. It's very admirable and it would behoove you to do the same if you really think you're right
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Re: Latest attempt to ban confederate flag [Re: Enlil]
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Re: Latest attempt to ban confederate flag [Re: azur]
#21927997 - 07/11/15 09:04 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Ya know, anarchy and white pride colloquially referred to as southern pride by some
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Re: Latest attempt to ban confederate flag [Re: Enlil]
#21928008 - 07/11/15 09:07 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Enlil said: It's not about being racist or not. It's about being considerate.
A very large portion of the population find the confederate flag offensive. If you don't give a fuck who you offend, that's your right. No one is telling you that you aren't allowed to be offensive.
Fly a Nazi flag for all I care. Just understand that in doing so, you're sending a message even if you don't intend that message.
"It's about being considerate"
What if we eliminate every symbol that could be potentially inconsiderate to others?
"A very large portion of the population find the confederate flag offensive"
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/07/06/nascar-daytona-confederate-flag_n_7737690.html
"NASCAR fans ignore request to leave Confederate flags at home"
It looks like many people find the idea of pushing others into their censorship also very offensive.
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Stonehenge said: >The vast majority of black slave owners were freed men who purchased their wives and children so that they could be free.
Again with the unsupported statements. Just opinion really with no value beyond that just like bitter's babbling.
Hey at least this guy is trying to use reason, facts, and logic in this debate. It's very admirable and it would behoove you to do the same if you really think you're right
He is giving his personal opinion once again trying to pass it off as a fact. He ran away from my question which tells us what we need to know.
The sheep have been brainwashed to believe the flag is a bad thing. They are like pots which have been filled with sewage and were told it was delicious soup. The powers that be try to divide us and keep us distracted while they rob us blind and create the police state.
I may start carrying a flag with me just to stir up the goofs.
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Re: Latest attempt to ban confederate flag [Re: Stonehenge]
#21928096 - 07/11/15 09:31 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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How do you know that yall aren't the sheep being brainwashed into believing there's a relevant purpose for the flag? In with the new out with the old doesn't sound like being brainwashed, it sounds like a logically progressive thing to do. Vs being stuck in the irrelevant past
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Then lets toss out the usa flag and replace it with the rainbow flag. Is that what you are proposing? After all, its old.
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thebitterbuffalo26 said: How do you know that yall aren't the sheep being brainwashed into believing there's a relevant purpose for the flag? In with the new out with the old doesn't sound like being brainwashed, it sounds like a logically progressive thing to do. Vs being stuck in the irrelevant past
How do you know that you're not brainwashed by the "logically progressive thing to do" groups? The PC Liberal progressives track record has been kind of shitty lately.
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thebitterbuffalo26 said: Still looking for that elusive heritage and history of the deep south...
Really? You're pretty ignorant of american culture if you think no heritage/history came from the south. Slave music originated in the south, which gave way to the blues which gave way to rock and roll. Basically all forms of Americana music originated in the south, blues, country, folk, rock and roll, etc. And thats just music, the tradition of BBQ (arguably the most iconic american cuisine) came from the south as well. Due to the heavy agricultural industry in the area many revolutionary agricultural technologies were also developed there.
Racism and slavery is awful. And yes they have an association with the South. However the assert that thats the only heritage the south has is absolutely absurd.
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Re: Latest attempt to ban confederate flag [Re: qman]
#21928253 - 07/11/15 10:25 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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qman said: It looks like many people find the idea of pushing others into their censorship also very offensive.
Again, it's not censorship. No one is talking about banning any flag.
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Re: Latest attempt to ban confederate flag [Re: Enlil]
#21928501 - 07/11/15 11:39 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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He still dodges the question proving my point. Never believe those unsupported statements.
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Re: Latest attempt to ban confederate flag [Re: Enlil]
#21928547 - 07/11/15 11:50 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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qman said: It looks like many people find the idea of pushing others into their censorship also very offensive.
Again, it's not censorship. No one is talking about banning any flag.
Exactly. Nobody is being censored. When people make great effort to turn molehills into mountains, it is a clear demonstration that their claims are not based in reality.
A case could easily be made, by your standards of 'censorship', that you are trying to censor Liberal dissent. However, nobody is making that case, because it is unfounded.
In other words, 'The PC Police' aren't literally police you twats!
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Re: Latest attempt to ban confederate flag [Re: Bigbadwooof]
#21928590 - 07/11/15 11:59 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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qman said: It looks like many people find the idea of pushing others into their censorship also very offensive.
Again, it's not censorship. No one is talking about banning any flag.
Exactly. Nobody is being censored. When people make great effort to turn molehills into mountains, it is a clear demonstration that their claims are not based in reality.
A case could easily be made, by your standards of 'censorship', that you are trying to censor Liberal dissent. However, nobody is making that case, because it is unfounded.
In other words, 'The PC Police' aren't literally police you twats!
There's a big difference between government and private display of the flag, many in this thread suggested that private display is very offensive and inconsiderate of others.
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