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Re: Latest attempt to ban confederate flag [Re: Enlil]
    #21846412 - 06/23/15 03:17 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Not exactly.  The confederate flag has been a symbol of racism and hatred for over 100 years.  It's a bit intellectually dishonest to claim that any discussion today is really a factor in that.




tell that to lynyrd skynyrd and the dukes of hazzard.

How much death and atrocity has happened in the shadow of a waving american flag?

I am ok with walmart and nascar removing it, because they are private enterprise. I frankly dont even give a shit about flags or where they fly, but the reason needs to be more sound than an emotional reaction and a symbolic gesture over a symbol.

My buddy from Ole Miss cited the good that came from recruiting when they changed their mascot... so I imagine that if there can be a decent reason to remove the flag, but emotional reactions and emphatically stating that it 100% representative of racism is wrong. Symbolism, by definition, cannot be concretely defined.


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Re: Latest attempt to ban confederate flag [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #21846425 - 06/23/15 03:21 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I don't think anyone can rationally argue that the flag inherently is racist or that anyone displaying the flag is a racist.  At the same time, it is and has been a symbol of racism for a long, long time.


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Re: Latest attempt to ban confederate flag [Re: Enlil]
    #21846532 - 06/23/15 03:47 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Not exactly.  The confederate flag has been a symbol of racism and hatred for over 100 years.  It's a bit intellectually dishonest to claim that any discussion today is really a factor in that.




  I stated it will be even worse than before. There's a pretty big spotlight on it. If some people didn't didn't have any thoughts about it at this point, they certainly will now.


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Re: Latest attempt to ban confederate flag [Re: Astral Pain]
    #21846600 - 06/23/15 04:07 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

That's probably a good thing, too.  It's always good to raise awareness.


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Re: Latest attempt to ban confederate flag [Re: Enlil]
    #21846617 - 06/23/15 04:11 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)



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Re: Latest attempt to ban confederate flag [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #21846684 - 06/23/15 04:30 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

wanna cry PC police nonsense ... how many douchebag republicunts are calling to bring it down?

can't get at mad at them tho right OP? they can do no wrong!


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Re: Latest attempt to ban confederate flag [Re: Enlil]
    #21846744 - 06/23/15 04:53 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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I don't think anyone can rationally argue that the flag inherently is racist or that anyone displaying the flag is a racist.  At the same time, it is and has been a symbol of racism for a long, long time.



Similar to how flying the Nazi flag has pretty clear implications. Yet the swastika has meanings besides nazism depending on the culture who used it.


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Re: Latest attempt to ban confederate flag [Re: psyconaught]
    #21846996 - 06/23/15 06:05 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)



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Re: Latest attempt to ban confederate flag [Re: Astral Pain]
    #21847590 - 06/23/15 08:19 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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I stated it will be even worse than before. There's a pretty big spotlight on it. If some people didn't didn't have any thoughts about it at this point, they certainly will now.



I'll bet sales of confederate flags will go through the roof.


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Re: Latest attempt to ban confederate flag [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #21847656 - 06/23/15 08:31 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

The more they try to ban something the more ways people find to get it. Will the govt and thought police ever learn?


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Re: Latest attempt to ban confederate flag [Re: Stonehenge]
    #21847741 - 06/23/15 08:48 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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The more they try to ban something the more ways people find to get it. Will the govt and thought police ever learn?




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Re: Latest attempt to ban confederate flag [Re: Stonehenge]
    #21847796 - 06/23/15 09:04 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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The more they try to ban something the more ways people find to get it. Will the govt and thought police ever learn?



Once again - the Government is NOT trying to ban the confederate flag.  :shake:


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Re: Latest attempt to ban confederate flag [Re: imachavel]
    #21847801 - 06/23/15 09:04 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

The state of Arkansas has (or had) a law that makes a holiday and honors the confederate flag.  I believe it was started under Clinton.  :smirk:


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Re: Latest attempt to ban confederate flag [Re: starfire_xes]
    #21849917 - 06/24/15 11:01 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

The bats said they are not trying to ban the flag but we see they were lying again. They are trying to ban it everywhere, both my local papers are calling for it. What has that to do with the shooting in sc? Nothing but the loony left and msm never pass up a chance to promote their agenda.

Even though many retailers were bullied into dropping the items, they are still available and all it does it provide a windfall since they don't have as much competiton.

The flag stands for independence from oppressive government. Naturally brainwashed sheep don't want anyone to be independent so they make up the racism argument. Ban the usa flag then if you want to be consistent. It stood for slavery long before the confederacy came along. Ban the dutch flag in particular since it stands for evil.


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Re: Latest attempt to ban confederate flag [Re: Stonehenge]
    #21849986 - 06/24/15 11:16 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

No flag should be banned, and there's no chance that a flag will be banned in the U.S. unless the First Amendment is drastically changed by amendment.


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Re: Latest attempt to ban confederate flag [Re: Stonehenge]
    #21849987 - 06/24/15 11:16 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Strike while the iron is hot. Now they want to take down the Jefferson Davis statue. He owned slaves so he's gotta go. When does it end? Next up will be the American flag.  http://www.nationaljournal.com/politics/mitch-mcconnell-to-kentucky-capitol-lose-the-jefferson-davis-statue-20150623

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Re: Latest attempt to ban confederate flag [Re: Astral Pain]
    #21850095 - 06/24/15 11:44 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Durham has decided to stick with Blue Cross Blue Shield and stay away from Aetna due to past slave policies. Going with Aetna would save the city $700,000 over a the next three years.

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During the 1850s, Aetna and other companies insured the lives of slaves. The company issued a public apology for the practice in 2000, refusing to grant reparations but expressing “deep regret.” It says it has evidence of 24 lives covered by its policies.




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Re: Latest attempt to ban confederate flag [Re: Astral Pain]
    #21850112 - 06/24/15 11:49 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Loony liberalism strikes again.

>Going with Aetna would save the city $700,000 over a the next three years.

But they aren't pure enough. Better to soak the taxpayers and make them pay the difference.

>refusing to grant reparations

Why the hell should they give away money to people who were never harmed for something that was legal? Moochers got to mooch I guess.

Many of our former presidents had slaves, so what?


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Re: Latest attempt to ban confederate flag [Re: Stonehenge]
    #21850131 - 06/24/15 11:59 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

They're just covering there ass from the brainwashed general public's liberal ideology. They felt the need to apologize in 2002 in an attempt to save face for the fact of insuring 24 slaves in the 1800's. It's laughable but a maniacal one.


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    #21850193 - 06/24/15 12:18 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Durham has decided to stick with Blue Cross Blue Shield and stay away from Aetna due to past slave policies. Going with Aetna would save the city $700,000 over a the next three years.




I'm personally glad to see that some factor other than money is being taken into consideration.


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