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Re: Latest attempt to ban confederate flag [Re: paperbackwriter]
    #21887035 - 07/02/15 09:24 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

>Racism is wrong because a person's ability to excel is not determined by the color of their skin.  It's just as wrong as 1+1=3.

So you are admitting AA and related racist programs are wrong? No, in your twisted liberal logic, giving breaks based on race is not racism. Unless the breaks go to a group you don't approve of then its wrong, right?

Liberals are racist, ultra liberals are ultra racist.


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Re: Latest attempt to ban confederate flag [Re: WAN]
    #21887137 - 07/02/15 09:44 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I think that this is a good time to point out one of the quotes in my signature, which i will reprint here:
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Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them







I have no idea what you are trying to say here.  But this quote sounds like it comes from the bible.






it does come from the bible. i know you have a short attention span, but it shouldn't be that hard to understand. maybe a different verse with a similar theme from an easier translation would be better.

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33 “Make a tree good and its fruit will be good, or make a tree bad and its fruit will be bad, for a tree is recognized by its fruit. 34 You brood of vipers, how can you who are evil say anything good? For the mouth speaks what the heart is full of. 35 A good man brings good things out of the good stored up in him, and an evil man brings evil things out of the evil stored up in him. 36 But I tell you that everyone will have to give account on the day of judgment for every empty word they have spoken. 37 For by your words you will be acquitted, and by your words you will be condemned.”




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Re: Latest attempt to ban confederate flag [Re: ballsalsa]
    #21887190 - 07/02/15 09:53 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Why would you quote a fictional book?


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Re: Latest attempt to ban confederate flag [Re: Enlil]
    #21887255 - 07/02/15 10:07 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Why would you quote a fictional book?




:ohyou:

there are lots of good ideas in fictional books.

http://www.cracked.com/article_18846_6-eerily-specific-inventions-predicted-in-science-fiction.html

http://flavorwire.com/423981/10-great-works-of-fiction-for-philosophers

here's another one from the bible that i like, and is related to the topic at hand

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10 Jesus called the crowd to him and said, “Listen and understand. 11 What goes into someone’s mouth does not defile them, but what comes out of their mouth, that is what defiles them.”

12 Then the disciples came to him and asked, “Do you know that the Pharisees were offended when they heard this?”

13 He replied, “Every plant that my heavenly Father has not planted will be pulled up by the roots. 14 Leave them; they are blind guides.[d] If the blind lead the blind, both will fall into a pit.”

15 Peter said, “Explain the parable to us.”

16 “Are you still so dull?” Jesus asked them. 17 “Don’t you see that whatever enters the mouth goes into the stomach and then out of the body? 18 But the things that come out of a person’s mouth come from the heart, and these defile them.






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Re: Latest attempt to ban confederate flag [Re: Enlil]
    #21887329 - 07/02/15 10:25 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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When two people are debating (like we are doing now), and one person asks the other person something (could be anything, maybe to prove something, or to post actual data, or to cite statistics, whatever), and he (the person being asked) simply says, "no, I don't have to do that", then the discussion is being killed dead right there, and doesn't go anywhere.  THIS, is what you did.

If you are just going to refuse doing any (reasonable) requests that facilitate the discussion, maybe you should simply just shut up.



How quaint coming from you.

If you want to debate morality, the philosophy forum is a better place.  If you come in here arguing the right and wrong of something, expect that not to go very far.

Politics isn't about morality.  You might as well be asking a cultivation question.




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Re: Latest attempt to ban confederate flag [Re: WAN]
    #21887589 - 07/02/15 11:45 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

You know WAN, as much as i dislike your opinions, i gotta give you props for standing up for yourself.  You could have pussed out and just put everyone who disagrees with you on ignore(like stonehenge) but you didn't.  You actually have big enough onions to defend your position, and i respect that


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Re: Latest attempt to ban confederate flag [Re: ballsalsa]
    #21887695 - 07/02/15 12:18 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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You know WAN, as much as i dislike your opinions, i gotta give you props for standing up for yourself.  You could have pussed out and just put everyone who disagrees with you on ignore(like stonehenge) but you didn't.  You actually have big enough onions to defend your position, and i respect that



Haha, thanks for that salsa dude.  And I think you are a very intelligent poster yourself.  Even though our views are almost diametrically opposed, nevertheless I recognize and acknowledge that you really know your stuff.


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Re: Latest attempt to ban confederate flag [Re: WAN]
    #21887876 - 07/02/15 01:11 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Latest attempt to ban confederate flag [Re: Stonehenge]
    #21887879 - 07/02/15 01:12 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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>Racism is wrong because a person's ability to excel is not determined by the color of their skin.  It's just as wrong as 1+1=3.

So you are admitting AA and related racist programs are wrong? No, in your twisted liberal logic, giving breaks based on race is not racism. Unless the breaks go to a group you don't approve of then its wrong, right?

Liberals are racist, ultra liberals are ultra racist.




Can you cite another source for affirmative action being racist?  The two you used so far go on to contradict that idea :shrug:


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Re: Latest attempt to ban confederate flag [Re: paperbackwriter]
    #21888024 - 07/02/15 01:49 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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>Racism is wrong because a person's ability to excel is not determined by the color of their skin.  It's just as wrong as 1+1=3.

So you are admitting AA and related racist programs are wrong? No, in your twisted liberal logic, giving breaks based on race is not racism. Unless the breaks go to a group you don't approve of then its wrong, right?

Liberals are racist, ultra liberals are ultra racist.




Can you cite another source for affirmative action being racist?  The two you used so far go on to contradict that idea :shrug:




You need a source to explain to you that affirmative action is racist?  :facepalm:  Even supporters of the policy acknowledge it's racist, they just use past events to justify its use today.


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Re: Latest attempt to ban confederate flag [Re: qman]
    #21888048 - 07/02/15 01:54 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

There was a time when affirmative action was justified.  It really helped to make the transition from jim crow to modern times.  Having said that, the only place that affirmative action belongs now is in education, and that has nothing to do with past events.


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Re: Latest attempt to ban confederate flag [Re: Enlil]
    #21888114 - 07/02/15 02:11 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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There was a time when affirmative action was justified.  It really helped to make the transition from jim crow to modern times.  Having said that, the only place that affirmative action belongs now is in education, and that has nothing to do with past events.




"the only place that affirmative action belongs now is in education"

What's your rationalization for that opinion?    Many states disagree with AA for college acceptance.


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Re: Latest attempt to ban confederate flag [Re: qman]
    #21888145 - 07/02/15 02:16 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

qman, he never has anything to back up his unsupported opinions. I gave up asking. The only place aa belongs is in the trash bin.


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Re: Latest attempt to ban confederate flag [Re: qman]
    #21889448 - 07/02/15 06:39 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I don't have a rationalization.  The use of affirmative action to create a more diverse student body enriches the educational experience for everyone attending.  Like it or not, the nation is going to continue to be more diverse, and anyone who learns to function in a diverse environment will have an advantage when he/she gets out of school.


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Re: Latest attempt to ban confederate flag [Re: Enlil]
    #21889464 - 07/02/15 06:43 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

>The use of affirmative action to create a more diverse student body enriches the educational experience for everyone attending.

Horse manure. More empty statements with nothing to back them up.


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Re: Latest attempt to ban confederate flag [Re: Enlil]
    #21889479 - 07/02/15 06:46 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I don't have a rationalization.  The use of affirmative action to create a more diverse student body enriches the educational experience for everyone attending. 




Beg to differ.  When I was going to uni, there were a whole army of Chinese/Asians students, so much so that it was virtually impossible to meet white guys.  And this is important because I was (still am) into white guys, and not having too many of them around to date was bad for my university experience.

Only liberals say things like that, "having a more diverse student body enriches the educational experience for everybody".  Almost all of the white students who also went to my school were complaining, either subtly, or very overtly, about the lack of white students there.
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Like it or not, the nation is going to continue to be more diverse, and anyone who learns to function in a diverse environment will have an advantage when he/she gets out of school.




You created this mess and now you are crowing about it.


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Re: Latest attempt to ban confederate flag [Re: WAN]
    #21889509 - 07/02/15 06:54 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Okay, so you admit you wanted more diversity in college...

Of course, it doesn't really matter what you want when you're a student.  If students had their way, they'd party 24/7 and still get A's without having to work for them.  That doesn't mean that education would be more effective. 

And what are you talking about?  There is no mess, and I didn't make one.  I'm also not crowing about anything.  I'm just advocating that we prepare our students for the reality of the world around us.


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Re: Latest attempt to ban confederate flag [Re: Enlil]
    #21889551 - 07/02/15 07:03 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Okay, so you admit you wanted more diversity in college...




No.  I don't want more "diversity", as in, I do not want more minority students.  I wanted more white students.  And I am sure a lot of white students, both then and now, feel this way.

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Of course, it doesn't really matter what you want when you're a student.  If students had their way, they'd party 24/7 and still get A's without having to work for them.  That doesn't mean that education would be more effective. 




What are you even talking about?  Nobody is saying students just "want to have their way" by partying.  What I am talking about is a very legit issue (at least to students), although you might disagree.  Basically, college is a time where one is supposed to have the opportunity to date, and to meet potential mates, because at a college/uni is where one is more likely to meet people who are one's intellectual equals.  Once one is out of school, the opportunities to meet intellectual equals diminish.  But all this is not important, anyway.  Whether you approve or not, college is the time for people to have fun, and date around (in addition to studying), while they are still young.  And students do not want their schools to be over-run with minorities, because they don't want to date minorities.  Having too many minorities at school that displaced white students is a very negative thing, and I am not the only one who thinks this way.

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And what are you talking about?  There is no mess, and I didn't make one.  I'm also not crowing about anything.  I'm just advocating that we prepare our students for the reality of the world around us.




Why should we prepare our students for a reality that is clearly negative? (schools and a society over-run by minorities)  Why don't we teach them to prepare to take their countries back from minorities?


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Re: Latest attempt to ban confederate flag [Re: WAN]
    #21889598 - 07/02/15 07:15 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

You said there were more Asians than whites.  That's not diversity.  Diversity would include a fair amount of all of the above.

And no, school is not there for you to hook up.  It's there for you to learn. 

There is nothing negative about diversity, and if you think there is, you really are a racist.  Take the country back?  Unless you're suggesting that the Native Americans should rise up and take the nation, you're just talking nonsense.


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Re: Latest attempt to ban confederate flag [Re: Enlil]
    #21889616 - 07/02/15 07:20 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

>There is nothing negative about diversity, and if you think there is, you really are a racist.

Typical left wing comment. If you don't agree with their world view they will call you names and attack you in various ways. "nothing negative" my ass.


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