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Re: Latest attempt to ban confederate flag [Re: Stonehenge]
#21885267 - 07/01/15 09:54 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Stonehenge said: I do not even see his posts anymore, nothing of value there. Once I see someone is a hardened troll, I do that.
I think you made a wise move by ignoring him. I might do that too, if he continues down the path he's on now
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Re: Latest attempt to ban confederate flag [Re: ballsalsa]
#21885467 - 07/01/15 10:34 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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ballsalsa said: Stonehenge:self described moderate
you know, the funny thing about this guy is that i sometimes find things we agree upon...like our shared opinion that AA is a racist policy. I personally don't like the idea of fighting racism with racism, but the sad part, is that i have to thoroughly re-examine my opinions whenever they coincide with stoney's. After all, i don't want people to confuse my opinions with those of an overt racist
I do agree with the righties opinion about Affirmative Action in that discrimination is discrimination no matter the skin color, but I do agree with Enlil on his other points.
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Re: Latest attempt to ban confederate flag [Re: Stonehenge]
#21885473 - 07/01/15 10:35 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Stonehenge said: I used to talk to you but when you came back recently you attacked me right off the bat, said I was a right winger, tried to tell me what I believed, all of it wrong. Then you spewed out the usual moonbat crap just like your butt buddy fail, and I put you in the troll category. On rare occasions you show a tiny bit of what you were before but then its back to the loony left rants.
I will call it like it is, don't like it? don't read my posts. I fight fire with fire.
Stoney, just because someone doesn't agree with you doesn't mean they're a troll.
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Re: Latest attempt to ban confederate flag [Re: WAN]
#21885837 - 07/02/15 12:17 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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p.s. prove that there is something wrong with racism. After all, this is your claim (that there is something wrong with racists and being a racist). Prove it
I don't have to prove it. You and stonebrains are doing a fine job of proving it for me.

in other words, you can't back up even your own bullshit
No. In other words, you started out by accusing others of racism, then you admitted to being a racist, and now you have been backed into the corner of defending racism, and your only defense seemingly is that i can't "prove" that racism is even bad anyway. I think that this is a good time to point out one of the quotes in my signature, which i will reprint here:
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Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them
BTW, i've posted more actual data, with sources, in this thread than i've seen from you period. not surprising, since by your own admission you have a very short attention span, and loathe "long-winded" texts. the only data you have to back up your arguments are your "observations", yet i still see you and stonebrains going on about how the lefties refuse to acknowledge "facts" what world do you live in where you are the "moderates" and i am a "left-wing radical" let's be serious here.
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Re: Latest attempt to ban confederate flag [Re: ballsalsa]
#21886199 - 07/02/15 03:26 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Racism in any form slows the evolution of the human race. Instead of all of us working as a whole toward planetary advance we have mother fuckers worrying about segregation and keeping a certain race beneath them. Lets say for example a black person has a world altering philosophy that would send humanity in a direction of extreme peace and prosperity, but it's not accepted by the dominate race because the black race was pre determined to be inferior. This is exactly what would happen in a world controlled by racism (once again just using that race as an example). Luckily for us most have broken the cycle and are continuing to head in a positive direction, minus a small percentage of people who still cling to racist ideals of course.
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Re: Latest attempt to ban confederate flag [Re: Dr.Satan]
#21886597 - 07/02/15 07:05 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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One church shot up and seven more burned down. The cycle isn't broken.
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The cycle is broken in the sense that it's not common to be racist anymore. I would say a small percentage of people are genuine racists now a days. Of course anyone that is racist is teaching their kids to think the same way so it may never die. It doesn't bother me anyway if certain people want to think they are a special race or something be my guest. Most racists are either old white dudes or some young kids who think it makes them cool to be racist (since they live in a primarily white area such as the country or something). I lived in the country for a few years and I came across many dumb kids who claimed to hate other races, but could never give a real reason as to why except the typical nonsense. The reason why for them IMO is that they are just taught that racism is good by parents and, like sheep, they comply with little or no thought on the reasons why. You can spot these sheep by the reasons they proclaim racism. Things like "all black people are criminals and will rape your family!" or something equally as ridiculous such as "all black people are lazy drug dealers".
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Re: Latest attempt to ban confederate flag [Re: Dr.Satan]
#21886675 - 07/02/15 07:40 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Dr.Satan said: The cycle is broken in the sense that it's not common to be racist anymore. I would say a small percentage of people are genuine racists now a days. Of course anyone that is racist is teaching their kids to think the same way so it may never die. It doesn't bother me anyway if certain people want to think they are a special race or something be my guest. Most racists are either old white dudes or some young kids who think it makes them cool to be racist (since they live in a primarily white area such as the country or something). I lived in the country for a few years and I came across many dumb kids who claimed to hate other races, but could never give a real reason as to why except the typical nonsense. The reason why for them IMO is that they are just taught that racism is good by parents and, like sheep, they comply with little or no thought on the reasons why. You can spot these sheep by the reasons they proclaim racism. Things like "all black people are criminals and will rape your family!" or something equally as ridiculous such as "all black people are lazy drug dealers".
You have a very simplistic view of what a racist is in your mind, it's not just "old white dudes" who fly the confederate flag, it's people that treat others differently based on the color of their skin, which basically applies to everyone.
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Re: Latest attempt to ban confederate flag [Re: qman]
#21886680 - 07/02/15 07:42 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I think you might be projecting your feelings on the rest of the world. Not everyone treats people differently based on the color of their skin.
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Re: Latest attempt to ban confederate flag [Re: ballsalsa]
#21886702 - 07/02/15 07:52 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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in other words, you can't back up even your own bullshit
No. In other words, you started out by accusing others of racism, then you admitted to being a racist, and now you have been backed into the corner of defending racism, and your only defense seemingly is that i can't "prove" that racism is even bad anyway.
What? I didn't accuse anybody here of racism. I did, however, accuse the liberals in general of being racists. And they truly are racists because of their actions (as in, claiming to be open-minded but cluster with other whites in predominantly white areas). I see that you are still unable to defend this, and you say that I am being "backed into a corner". Whatever man. Also, when I asked you to prove racism is wrong, I wasn't "using" it as a "defense". I asked that because I really wanted to know what is wrong with racism/being a racist, since you seemed to be so much against it.
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I think that this is a good time to point out one of the quotes in my signature, which i will reprint here:
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Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them
I have no idea what you are trying to say here. But this quote sounds like it comes from the bible.
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BTW, i've posted more actual data, with sources, in this thread than i've seen from you period. not surprising, since by your own admission you have a very short attention span, and loathe "long-winded" texts. the only data you have to back up your arguments are your "observations", yet i still see you and stonebrains going on about how the lefties refuse to acknowledge "facts" what world do you live in where you are the "moderates" and i am a "left-wing radical" let's be serious here.
I have never said the "lefties" (btw, I NEVER use the word leftie/lefty. You got me confused with stone) fail to acknowledge facts. I only said that a lot of liberals/lefties are actual racists. I also don't see why putting forth my own observations is a bad thing as you say. Can we not share what we know/see/observe with others on this board? If I am arguing facts, I will put forth facts. But when I just want to share my thoughts and opinions,I very well will just put forth observations. There is nothing wrong with that.
I think it's a good thing that you are posting actual data, from real sources. Btw, I never called you a "left-wing radical" so I don't know why you said I said that. I am, however, very unhappy with a very large portion of white people who consider themselves "progressive", "open-mined", "non-racist",yet who send their children to schools with a majority of white students, and who live chiefly among other white people and do not want any kind of contact with "coloureds". THESE are the people I have issues with. And you can't tell me that these people don't exist.
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Re: Latest attempt to ban confederate flag [Re: Enlil]
#21886706 - 07/02/15 07:56 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Enlil said: I think you might be projecting your feelings on the rest of the world. Not everyone treats people differently based on the color of their skin.
Most do even if they don't consciously recognize it. Why is every college or employment cafeteria usually self segregated? I'm sure the liberal college students would never consider themselves racist, yet they don't eat with other races, live with other races, date other races, or marry other races.
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Re: Latest attempt to ban confederate flag [Re: qman]
#21886722 - 07/02/15 08:03 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I agree with you that most do. My issue was with the claim that everyone does.
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WAN said: Also, when I asked you to prove racism is wrong, I wasn't "using" it as a "defense". I asked that because I really wanted to know what is wrong with racism/being a racist, since you seemed to be so much against it.
What's wrong with racism is that it leads to the consideration of irrational factors for decision making. When decisions are based on irrational factors, poor decisions are made. The cumulative effect of lots of poor decisions is that society doesn't advance as well as it could.
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Re: Latest attempt to ban confederate flag [Re: Enlil]
#21886759 - 07/02/15 08:16 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I agree with you that most do. My issue was with the claim that everyone does.
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WAN said: Also, when I asked you to prove racism is wrong, I wasn't "using" it as a "defense". I asked that because I really wanted to know what is wrong with racism/being a racist, since you seemed to be so much against it.
What's wrong with racism is that it leads to the application of irrational factors for decision making. When decisions are based on irrational factors, poor decisions are made. The cumulative effect of lots of poor decisions is that society doesn't advance as well as it could.
You need to prove that:
1. Racism leads to application of irrational factors for decision making. 2. Racism, and the resultant "application of irrational factors for decision making" lead to a society that doesn't advance as well as it could. 3. A society that advances as well as it could is what everybody (including the racists), wants.
I don't understand why people are so much against racism and racists. Have we forgotten this saying, "live and let live"? If someone wants to have nothing to do with minorities, why can't we just let him? Why do we shove diversity down his throat? If you want to be "progressive", "open-minded" and all that, it's all fine by me. Just don't go and open the floodgates and let in millions upon millions of minorities, who you don't even want to live with but you will never be caught dead admitting it in a million years. These people are going to flood our streets and the lives of racists are going to be negatively affected. Of course they will have issues with it.
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Re: Latest attempt to ban confederate flag [Re: WAN]
#21886765 - 07/02/15 08:18 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Actually, no. I don't need to prove any of those things. You asked what was wrong with it, and I answered. Right and wrong are subjective, and I gave you my subjective opinion. You're free to disagree.
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Re: Latest attempt to ban confederate flag [Re: Enlil]
#21886768 - 07/02/15 08:20 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Enlil said: Actually, no. I don't need to prove any of those things. You asked what was wrong with it, and I answered. Right and wrong are subjective, and I gave you my subjective opinion. You're free to disagree.
Sounds like you can't back up your argument.
also, did you see this part too:
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I don't understand why people are so much against racism and racists. Have we forgotten this saying, "live and let live"? If someone wants to have nothing to do with minorities, why can't we just let him? Why do we shove diversity down his throat? If you want to be "progressive", "open-minded" and all that, it's all fine by me. Just don't go and open the floodgates and let in millions upon millions of minorities, who you don't even want to live with but you will never be caught dead admitting it in a million years. These people are going to flood our streets and the lives of racists are going to be negatively affected. Of course they will have issues with it.
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Re: Latest attempt to ban confederate flag [Re: WAN]
#21886784 - 07/02/15 08:26 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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enlil:
When two people are debating (like we are doing now), and one person asks the other person something (could be anything, maybe to prove something, or to post actual data, or to cite statistics, whatever), and he (the person being asked) simply says, "no, I don't have to do that", then the discussion is being killed dead right there, and doesn't go anywhere. THIS, is what you did.
If you are just going to refuse doing any (reasonable) requests that facilitate the discussion, maybe you should simply just shut up.
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Re: Latest attempt to ban confederate flag [Re: WAN]
#21886789 - 07/02/15 08:27 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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>Sounds like you can't back up your argument.
Exactly! he posts opinions with nothing to back them up and expects to be taken seriously.
>>I don't need to prove any of those things.
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Re: Latest attempt to ban confederate flag [Re: Stonehenge]
#21886841 - 07/02/15 08:43 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Racism is wrong because a person's ability to excel is not determined by the color of their skin. It's just as wrong as 1+1=3.
It's not subjective.
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Re: Latest attempt to ban confederate flag [Re: WAN]
#21886890 - 07/02/15 08:52 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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WAN said: enlil:
When two people are debating (like we are doing now), and one person asks the other person something (could be anything, maybe to prove something, or to post actual data, or to cite statistics, whatever), and he (the person being asked) simply says, "no, I don't have to do that", then the discussion is being killed dead right there, and doesn't go anywhere. THIS, is what you did.
If you are just going to refuse doing any (reasonable) requests that facilitate the discussion, maybe you should simply just shut up.
How quaint coming from you.
If you want to debate morality, the philosophy forum is a better place. If you come in here arguing the right and wrong of something, expect that not to go very far.
Politics isn't about morality. You might as well be asking a cultivation question.
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paperbackwriter said: Racism is wrong because a person's ability to excel is not determined by the color of their skin. It's just as wrong as 1+1=3.
It's not subjective.
Yet, you justify racist polices such as AA and quotas.
"It's just as wrong as 1+1=3"
Yet, when it suits your agenda it's just fine.
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