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Re: Latest attempt to ban confederate flag [Re: Enlil]
    #21882121 - 07/01/15 09:22 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Affirmative action is racist, but there are plenty of other examples of institutionalized racism.




So the potential and speculation of "institutionalized racism" justifies a law and policy that is racist?  That's very flawed logic.


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Re: Latest attempt to ban confederate flag [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #21882139 - 07/01/15 09:30 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Except people aren't anywhere nears as racist as it seems you would like.

The last remaining institutionalized racism in the US is affirmative action.

Those that support it are truly racist.




That is true, and they are the ones who call everyone else a racist. Besides aa we have racist policies at colleges and universities, racist quotas for hiring enforced by the dept of injustice and other things. Collectively I call this "black privilege"


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Re: Latest attempt to ban confederate flag [Re: qman]
    #21882199 - 07/01/15 09:49 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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So the potential and speculation of "institutionalized racism" justifies a law and policy that is racist?  That's very flawed logic.



Is that what you read in my post?  Or is that just some strawman you built so you could tear it down?


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Re: Latest attempt to ban confederate flag [Re: Enlil]
    #21882291 - 07/01/15 10:17 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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So the potential and speculation of "institutionalized racism" justifies a law and policy that is racist?  That's very flawed logic.



Is that what you read in my post?  Or is that just some strawman you built so you could tear it down?




You were trying to justify AA because of "institutionalized racism".


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Re: Latest attempt to ban confederate flag [Re: qman]
    #21882294 - 07/01/15 10:17 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

How on earth did you get that out of my post?  I think you're seeing what you want to see.


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Re: Latest attempt to ban confederate flag [Re: Enlil]
    #21882302 - 07/01/15 10:18 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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How on earth did you get that out of my post?  I think you're seeing what you want to see.




Well, tell us what you were really trying to express!


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Re: Latest attempt to ban confederate flag [Re: qman]
    #21882313 - 07/01/15 10:20 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I was agreeing with LDS that affirmative action is racist and disagreeing with his claim that it's the "last remaining institutionalized racism in the U.S."


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Re: Latest attempt to ban confederate flag [Re: qman]
    #21882382 - 07/01/15 10:43 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Qman, if you want to play word games you found your man. He will do that all day long and say nothing in the end.


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Re: Latest attempt to ban confederate flag [Re: Enlil]
    #21882390 - 07/01/15 10:46 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I was agreeing with LDS that affirmative action is racist and disagreeing with his claim that it's the "last remaining institutionalized racism in the U.S."




Examples of "remaining institutionalized racism in the U.S."?


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Re: Latest attempt to ban confederate flag [Re: qman]
    #21882417 - 07/01/15 10:57 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Sure.  A few of the first ones that come to mind:

1. De facto segregation in k-12 districts throughout the south
2. Separate but (un)equal segregation in correctional facilities throughout the nation
3. Sentencing disparities in courts throughout the nation
4. Widespread disregard for resumes with "black-sounding names"
5. Police profiling ie. pulling someone over for "driving while black."


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Re: Latest attempt to ban confederate flag [Re: Enlil]
    #21882448 - 07/01/15 11:05 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

:lmafo:

Nice try. (but not really)


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Re: Latest attempt to ban confederate flag [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #21882473 - 07/01/15 11:11 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

As usual he just gives his opinions with nothing to back them up. Ho hum

Black privilege is established by law and written policies, its a fact. White privilege is a myth perpetuated by extreme liberals who want more of the welfare state.


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Re: Latest attempt to ban confederate flag [Re: Stonehenge]
    #21882562 - 07/01/15 11:30 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

hey Enlil, i was reading the forum rules a minute ago, and its seems that flaming is prohibited here, but racism is not.

just to be clear, does that mean i could catch a ban for telling someone to "eat a bowl of black dicks", but not for saying

"Its not just the cumulative effects of past racism that hold black people back, though.  You fail to take into account the inferiority of the genes of black people.  These shitty genes make shitty brains, and as such, black people are much stupider and that's why they can't amount to much."?

like i said, i'm not saying WAN or Stonehenge should eat a bowl of dicks, but if i was, that would be against the rules right?


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Re: Latest attempt to ban confederate flag [Re: ballsalsa]
    #21882632 - 07/01/15 11:49 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

only really, really stupid-ass dumbshit LCDs give a flying fuck about the rebel flag.

I've stolen about 30 of them here and there over the years. Just doing my part to clean up the roadside.


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Re: Latest attempt to ban confederate flag [Re: lurkmode]
    #21882673 - 07/01/15 12:07 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)


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only really, really stupid-ass dumbshit LCDs give a flying fuck about the rebel flag.

I've stolen about 30 of them here and there over the years. Just doing my part to clean up the roadside.




If your only participation in a thread amounts to "lol who cares about the topic you brought up" then maybe you should have just kept your mouth shut.  It's less annoying that way.

also, thief


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Re: Latest attempt to ban confederate flag [Re: WAN]
    #21882708 - 07/01/15 12:19 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

>also, thief

Yep


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Re: Latest attempt to ban confederate flag [Re: ballsalsa]
    #21882982 - 07/01/15 01:52 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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just to be clear, does that mean i could catch a ban for telling someone to "eat a bowl of black dicks"




There's been a bunch of direct and indirect personal attacks in this thread.  Considering the quality of posts in the politics forum I wouldn't be surprised if the moderation policy falls under 'pretend it doesn't exist' or 'ignore it until it goes away'.


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Re: Latest attempt to ban confederate flag [Re: paperbackwriter]
    #21883005 - 07/01/15 01:59 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

It's been that way for a little while in this forum. And it's been consistently getting worse recently. I wouls personally like to see a little stricter moderating, because I think it would increase the quality of debate, but that's just my two cents.


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Re: Latest attempt to ban confederate flag [Re: BoldAsLove]
    #21883164 - 07/01/15 02:44 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Affirmative action is like treating minority's as ~special~ people.

I thought they wanted a level playing field, to be treated like people.


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Re: Latest attempt to ban confederate flag [Re: tripN]
    #21883244 - 07/01/15 03:02 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

dear god i'm amazed some of you people can actually type


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