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Re: the sixth mass extinction is officially here [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #26377383 - 12/12/19 02:36 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

"Where will all the resources come from? The factories? The mines? The labor? And of course, the technology even to try has not been created!"

AI, robots, droids?

There are certainly a lot of things we have yet to understand about space because governments largely stopped investing in it during the cold war.

"living on another planet would run up against a host of problems no one foresaw, including, and perhaps especially, mental health. There are hundreds of issues."


But what if we were able to locate an "Earth like planet"
For how enormous the universe its, wouldn't it be highly likely that there was a similar planet? Somewhere?

There really is a lot of amazing aerospace technology that is being created right now.

Hypersonic glide vehicles are the next generation ICBM.
Many governments have re entered pissing contests with one another.
Space is one of those frontiers.

I bet its the chinese that are the first to do anything with it.
1. they have the most abundant labor force in the world
2. Xi Jinping has a hard on for global domination
3. The Chinese don't have a great human right record and I wouldn't put it past them to just strap people into rockets, shoot them into space and see what happens.


"SPACE FORCE"


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Re: the sixth mass extinction is officially here [Re: Buckomcdoogle]
    #26377393 - 12/12/19 02:40 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Not to mention the Chinese are pros at espionage and stealing other peoples technology.


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Re: the sixth mass extinction is officially here [Re: Buckomcdoogle]
    #26377410 - 12/12/19 02:46 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

How many people are you going to able to fit on this rocket/rockets?
Could you just dig a deep hole here and fit more?

Or are you expecting teleporters as well.


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Re: the sixth mass extinction is officially here [Re: pineninja]
    #26377423 - 12/12/19 02:56 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

It might not be perfected for 100 years, or even 200 years.


Maybe we will all be destroyed tomorrow by Soviet era nukes

Who knows.

But the potential is there if the right interests are behind it.

What if we find out mars is rich in something like Platinum, you better believe somebody would find a way to extract it.

Unlimited growth can't happen on a planet with a finite amount of resources.

A lot of technology is very dependent on rare earth metals.


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"Nihilism is the most basic truth in existence,
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chaos and decay"
"Logic leads to nihilism"



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Re: the sixth mass extinction is officially here [Re: pineninja]
    #26377427 - 12/12/19 02:57 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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pineninja said:
How many people are you going to able to fit on this rocket/rockets?
Could you just dig a deep hole here and fit more?

Or are you expecting teleporters as well.





Exactly

"For  anyone that needs hope, ..."    Seems you feel you need hope ... but

Buckomcdoogle how many people that you know including yourself, do you think will escape, the mess we have here, by going into space? And if so actually enjoying it?

Seems to me the whole notion is just PR. Essentially what is a prison sentence, is being advertised and sold as an adventure of great importance. What a great joke & con, better & bigger, than selling the Brooklyn Bridge!


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Re: the sixth mass extinction is officially here [Re: laughingdog]
    #26377432 - 12/12/19 02:58 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

None, I am a peasant, along with everyone I know


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Re: the sixth mass extinction is officially here [Re: Buckomcdoogle]
    #26377450 - 12/12/19 03:06 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

i think david attenborough just recently announced that he believes its already too late for us.


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Re: the sixth mass extinction is officially here [Re: roppongikitkat]
    #26377457 - 12/12/19 03:08 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Maybe it is...
Or maybe life will find a way.


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Re: the sixth mass extinction is officially here [Re: Buckomcdoogle]
    #26377707 - 12/12/19 05:24 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Amusingly it seems many of the more enlightened folks, have little interest in reproducing themselves, post enlightenment.
Seems they often attempt to teach many who have already had, what is perhaps the misfortune, to have been born.
Which might perhaps simply mean metaphorically: those who assume they 'have' a separate existence.


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Re: the sixth mass extinction is officially here [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
    #26381194 - 12/14/19 11:52 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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Yellow Pants said:

For example I can’t even tell whether animal agriculture is bad or not. 




It's often said that it takes 16 pounds of grain to raise one pound of beef, which is interesting... Although rice tolerates submergence, it's not an aquatic species. The one and only reason rice is flooded by farmers is for arresting weed growth. Some good trivia for your next cocktail party!




I’m pretty sure beef and cow dairy is horrendous given the amount of grain and water needed to feed them.  Inefficient.  I also like to think we could fertilize without cow manure as there’s plenty of crap to go around.  Aquaculture is a tricky one but I think it’s safe to say that overfishing large fish is the worst as it takes the most emmisions to do it while wrecking the numbers of other fish that weren’t being fished for because of the way large fish are caught.


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Re: the sixth mass extinction is officially here [Re: laughingdog]
    #26381458 - 12/14/19 02:40 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Ultimately our entire existence is so infinitesimally small in the grand scheme of things.

The universe is indifferent


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Re: the sixth mass extinction is officially here [Re: Buckomcdoogle] * 1
    #26381506 - 12/14/19 03:06 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Ok but, are you?


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Re: the sixth mass extinction is officially here [Re: pineninja]
    #26381609 - 12/14/19 04:07 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I would guess most are indifferent.  Currently I’d toss myself into that category as well.  It’s high difficulty to drastically change behaviors without any direct and critical motivation.  We’re basically supposed to buy a story that promises nightmares if we don’t change our ways.  Sure my head agrees with the environmental reports but everything else in my being is going a different direction with a lot of momentum.


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Re: the sixth mass extinction is officially here [Re: Yellow Pants]
    #26381625 - 12/14/19 04:16 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

You're in a 4 story apartment on the top floor.
It's on fire and all exits are blocked.
Your only option is to break the window and jump.
What do you do?

You have motivations at constant play, so automatic are these that its easy to disregard them.

It feels good to disattach from made up systems of importance...but at the end of the day we all strive to survive.


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Re: the sixth mass extinction is officially here [Re: pineninja]
    #26381689 - 12/14/19 04:37 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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pineninja said:
You're in a 4 story apartment on the top floor.
It's on fire and all exits are blocked.
Your only option is to break the window and jump.
What do you do?

You have motivations at constant play, so automatic are these that its easy to disregard them.

It feels good to disattach from made up systems of importance...but at the end of the day we all strive to survive.




It’s more like you’re on the top floor of a 4 story building and you read online that a fire started downstairs and over time may block the exits leading to a very desperate situation.  You cannot see or detect the fire.  Everything seems to be working normally.  You also read online that drinking 1 cup less water per day may reduce the spread of the fire by .1 %.  Meanwhile you overcooked the steak and your guests will be arriving soon.


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Re: the sixth mass extinction is officially here [Re: Yellow Pants] * 1
    #26381886 - 12/14/19 06:35 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

“The most terrifying fact about the universe is not that it is hostile but that it is indifferent, but if we can come to terms with this indifference, then our existence as a species can have genuine meaning. However vast the darkness, we must supply our own light.” ― Stanley Kubrick


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Re: the sixth mass extinction is officially here [Re: Buckomcdoogle]
    #26381896 - 12/14/19 06:42 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

As opposite as they might seem
Existentialism and Nihilism go hand and hand.
We're all here, and for the most part, most things are out of our control.

At the same time the things we choose to do, are just as important as the things we choose not to do.

I think kids are a great example of that.
You could say something to a kid that might seem insignifigant, but it might stick in their head and completely alter the course of how that young person lives their life.


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Re: the sixth mass extinction is officially here [Re: Buckomcdoogle]
    #26383157 - 12/15/19 11:21 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Existentialism teaches us to take ownership of the self which exists in the meaningless and impersonal world that it does.  So you’re absolutely right that the two go hand in hand.  In a way existentialism is a response to nihilism.  Within existentialism in terms of the mass degradation of the planet the idea would be that despite ones infinite meaninglessness in the grand scheme of things what’s important is to take self ownership for whatever path is chosen.  Meaning is subjective and created from within, the world is just here.  So according to this results aren’t necessarily the end game, instead meaning and principle and things like that are what take highest priority I believe.


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Re: the sixth mass extinction is officially here [Re: Buckomcdoogle]
    #26383217 - 12/15/19 11:49 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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“The most terrifying fact about the universe is not that it is hostile but that it is indifferent, but if we can come to terms with this indifference, then our existence as a species can have genuine meaning. However vast the darkness, we must supply our own light.” ― Stanley Kubrick




It's quite interested we'd react with terror to neutrality. It says a lot about ourselves.

Considering humans are as much "the universe" as rocks, benevolence and hostility appear to exist.


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Re: the sixth mass extinction is officially here [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
    #26384350 - 12/16/19 12:23 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Tbh the neutrality of the universe may be threatening to us so it’s fairly understandable how we might react dramatically.  For example a tornado rages impersonally through the neighborhood encouraging strong reactions in people.


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