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My first bulk grow!!
    #21831100 - 06/20/15 02:10 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

So my first bulk grow... I GRAIN SPAWNED AND USED HORSE POO AS SUBSTRATE! I threw a casing layer at the top. Everything went smooth for my first grow. But since I was using horse poo, I would believe that I would have bigger and fatter fruits. As for my first flush and first bulk tray, I didn't have much big fruits, though I did have a very good pinset. I threw it in my SGFC along with my brf cakes(I have Brazilian strain as well as fresh Lipas cakes). I would like to have feedback on what you guys think for my first grow. IMO, I believe I could of had fatter and bigger fruits than what I have had on my BRF cakes. Nonetheless, I am satisfied and grateful for my first grow. I just dunked my tray in water for about 5 hours and threw it back into the chamber, waiting on the second flush. Anyways, here's my picture of my first bulk flush!!!!



I believe my field capacity was a bit on the dryer side, and that may be the reason for smaller fruitings. I also suspect genetics, but its hard to believe that because of the fruitings I got from the BRF cakes (brazilian) were huge!


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Re: My first bulk grow!! [Re: El_Captaino]
    #21831215 - 06/20/15 03:46 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

What size tub did you use?

How much grain?

Dry weight?

Nice job.


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Re: My first bulk grow!! [Re: El_Captaino]
    #21831222 - 06/20/15 03:50 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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So my first bulk grow... I GRAIN SPAWNED AND USED HORSE POO AS SUBSTRATE! I threw a casing layer at the top. Everything went smooth for my first grow. But since I was using horse poo, I would believe that I would have bigger and fatter fruits.



Not really true at all....larger fruits usually come in later flushes, regardless of the substrate.

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I would like to have feedback on what you guys think for my first grow. IMO, I believe I could of had fatter and bigger fruits than what I have had on my BRF cakes. Nonetheless, I am satisfied and grateful for my first grow. I just dunked my tray in water for about 5 hours and threw it back into the chamber, waiting on the second flush. Anyways, here's my picture of my first bulk flush!!!!





Looks good....

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I believe my field capacity was a bit on the dryer side, and that may be the reason for smaller fruitings. I also suspect genetics, but its hard to believe that because of the fruitings I got from the BRF cakes (brazilian) were huge!



You are not dealing with the same genetics when dealing with spores, you are dealing with millions of unique sets of genes, no matter the name some vendor gave to a certain group of spores. The genetics will differ from fruit to fruit.


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Re: My first bulk grow!! [Re: MidwestShroomin]
    #21832233 - 06/20/15 12:29 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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What size tub did you use?

How much grain?

Dry weight?

Nice job.




i used about an 11x11 in tray with a depth of about 2-3in.

I used one quart jar of grain

the dry weight ended up being a little bit more than half an O. So i was pleased, but the fruitings look so different compared to my BRF caking fruits.


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Re: My first bulk grow!! [Re: PussyFart]
    #21832253 - 06/20/15 12:34 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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You are not dealing with the same genetics when dealing with spores, you are dealing with millions of unique sets of genes, no matter the name some vendor gave to a certain group of spores. The genetics will differ from fruit to fruit.




Okay, yeah it makes sense, I just thought I would have more fruitings that would have been larger. I have an agar that has been inoculated to start isolating rhizos. Anyways, but on my field capacity, should I keep it on the dryer side or a bit wet, because i did follow the rule, but i felt my substrate was just a tad bit on the dry side


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Re: My first bulk grow!! [Re: El_Captaino]
    #21832274 - 06/20/15 12:43 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Try using a 50/50 straw/manure blend composted for a week at 3-4" and case with 1/2" coir. How fresh is your manure is it composted bags from a store or fresh off the field? The substrate should be as wet as possible without puddling. Same with the casing layer. Also misting the casing while fruiting can help produce larger fruits by re hydrating the substrate since the fruits are sucking up water.


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Re: My first bulk grow!! [Re: Gr0wer]
    #21832462 - 06/20/15 01:49 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Try using a 50/50 straw/manure blend composted for a week at 3-4" and case with 1/2" coir. How fresh is your manure is it composted bags from a store or fresh off the field? The substrate should be as wet as possible without puddling. Same with the casing layer. Also misting the casing while fruiting can help produce larger fruits by re hydrating the substrate since the fruits are sucking up water.




Horribly incorrect information here. Even if it were needed, which it isn't, composting does not happen in the course of 1 week. Casings are usually coir AND vermiculite. Lastly, wet is a big no no... Field capacity is what you want.


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Re: My first bulk grow!! [Re: Invader Zim]
    #21832498 - 06/20/15 01:59 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Well worked for me in the past. Letting it compost for a week lets the straw start to break  down and saturate, also lets the beneficial bacteria bloom. With that much nitrogen in the poo and high temps the straw will change in a week. I've used coir only with great results, many commercial mushroom farms use only peat moss. What is your reasoning for using vermiculite, all it does is hold water and have ZERO nutritional value, coir holds tons of water and has some nutritional value.  Field capacity = wet with no puddling the substrate should be thoroughly saturated but not to a point of dripping wet or puddling.



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Re: My first bulk grow!! [Re: Invader Zim]
    #21832522 - 06/20/15 02:06 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Horribly incorrect information here. Even if it were needed, which it isn't, composting does not happen in the course of 1 week. Casings are usually coir AND vermiculite. Lastly, wet is a big no no... Field capacity is what you want.





Have you ever grown bulk? On poo or straw? Have you ever composted?


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Re: My first bulk grow!! [Re: Gr0wer]
    #21832529 - 06/20/15 02:07 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I didn't say it wouldn't work, I'm sure you have done it like you say. http://www.william-sinclair.co.uk/files/uploads/file/Commercial/Products/Literature/Additives_Vermiculite.pdf


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Re: My first bulk grow!! [Re: Invader Zim]
    #21832558 - 06/20/15 02:17 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Im aware of what vermiculite is. Its puffed up mica rocks. I'm not a fan of it since once its crushed it looses it water holding properties, coir takes a long time to break down in the garden and actually adds organic matter. Verm is inorganic.


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Re: My first bulk grow!! [Re: Gr0wer]
    #21832574 - 06/20/15 02:22 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

If you are so aware than why did you say verm has no nutrients, did you even read the link? Why would the verm be crushed? Why are we talking about gardening now and amending soil? This took an odd turn.


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Re: My first bulk grow!! [Re: Invader Zim]
    #21833034 - 06/20/15 04:47 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Because its a rock sponge!! Verm has no nutritional value, just holds water which is the same function as peat moss or coco coir which are both organic matter. I try to keep it green, i compost everything i can which makes its way into my garden.


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Re: My first bulk grow!! [Re: Gr0wer]
    #21834879 - 06/21/15 12:23 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Try using a 50/50 straw/manure blend composted for a week at 3-4" and case with 1/2" coir. How fresh is your manure is it composted bags from a store or fresh off the field? The substrate should be as wet as possible without puddling. Same with the casing layer. Also misting the casing while fruiting can help produce larger fruits by re hydrating the substrate since the fruits are sucking up water.




My manure is pretty fresh, i get it from a guy that owns a bunch of farm animals just down the street. He has them composting for a while, but I think it may be more wise for me to pick actual nugs. I may start including straw to my substrate and see what kind of results i get. I have a couple of quart jars almost ready, but they will be different strain. I was going to use store bought cow manure, but i did a bit of research and there were a bunch of bad reviews on it, so I decided to save time and effort and stick to horse shit. In my casing layer I used some Peat moss, verm, and lime salt. Since tomorrow is Father's Day, I will have to pick up straw and h poo Monday :smile:

With your bulk grow, are you isolating strains? Or going off a multi-spore?


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Re: My first bulk grow!! [Re: El_Captaino]
    #21836897 - 06/21/15 12:57 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

With that grow it was spores, but I picked the best of the seven or so jars I had that was displaying the bestgrowth.


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