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OfflineSpecialEd
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race as an evolutionary mechanism?
    #2183082 - 12/16/03 05:48 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Someone once shared with me an interesting hypotheisis...

It was a mechanism of evolution that mankind separated into different races so that certain qualities would be overexpressed in each race. Then, as the races slowly came back together, there would be one supercharged race.

What do you guys think of this theory and if you think it is true, which qualities do you think are overexpressed in each race???


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Re: race as an evolutionary mechanism? [Re: SpecialEd]
    #2183204 - 12/16/03 06:18 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

How can evolution plan ahead?


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Re: race as an evolutionary mechanism? [Re: muhurgle]
    #2183219 - 12/16/03 06:24 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Evolution is a life force and we have no idea of what it has the capacity for. We are aware of certain mechanisms like natural selection.

For example, fruit trees survive because they produce seeds in fruit, which is packed with a sugar that animals love. Animals carry off the fruit, dispersing seeds, so that fruit trees can spread. Again you may ask, how does evolution plan.

It's like in jurassic park where Jeff Goldbloom says

"life finds a way"


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Re: race as an evolutionary mechanism? [Re: SpecialEd]
    #2183232 - 12/16/03 06:29 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

What if that sugar was just once genetic mutation in an individual plant that obviously allowed it to thrive more efficiently. Again, simply natural selection... no "intelligence" yet proven...


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Re: race as an evolutionary mechanism? [Re: ergot]
    #2183286 - 12/16/03 06:49 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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ergot said:
What if that sugar was just once genetic mutation in an individual plant that obviously allowed it to thrive more efficiently. Again, simply natural selection... no "intelligence" yet proven...




What mechanism provided energy to the plant before the rouge sugar developed?


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Re: race as an evolutionary mechanism? [Re: bumski]
    #2183294 - 12/16/03 06:52 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Defective genetics. Entropy.


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Re: race as an evolutionary mechanism? [Re: bumski]
    #2183446 - 12/16/03 07:35 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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What mechanism provided energy to the plant before the rouge sugar developed?




Fair question, and one I am not prepared to answer.

Think of it this way, the force of evolution is like instinct. knowing what to do


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Re: race as an evolutionary mechanism? [Re: muhurgle]
    #2183689 - 12/16/03 09:17 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

How can evolution plan ahead?

By reading their daily horoscope in the astrology column?


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Re: race as an evolutionary mechanism? [Re: Swami]
    #2183730 - 12/16/03 09:34 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

YOU!:grin:

I see what you did just there.


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Re: race as an evolutionary mechanism? [Re: SpecialEd]
    #2184205 - 12/17/03 12:55 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

This may not answer your question, but I feel I should point it out:

A recent study was done on the genetics of "race". What was found is that they could not differentiate between races by genetics alone.

We are much more alike than it may appear at surface level.


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Re: race as an evolutionary mechanism? [Re: trendal]
    #2184247 - 12/17/03 01:22 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I read about that same study and thought it interesting. Thanks for point it out, trendal.


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Re: race as an evolutionary mechanism? [Re: Frog]
    #2184356 - 12/17/03 02:28 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Race is an artificial heirarchy concept based on externally observable characteristics. There is only one race of human beings. But just like house cats, we have many different familiar breeds. Some of us have black skin, some white, some yellow, red, and olive. This is no different than calico cats versus orange cats versus black cats.

We are genetically different ever so slightly. We have to be, because genes make up our physical body and as we know...two Icelanders aren't gonna spontaneously give birth to a Crow Indian. But these minute surface differences in no way imply advantages or deficiencies of personal worth or intelligence, as is so often suggested or assumed by racists.

That said, we were very obviously on our way to distinct races before technology cought up and brought the world's isolated peoples together. One of the things that evolution requires is isolation of gene pools, which we didn't have for long enough to generate authentically different races. The bottom line is that the percieved human races are the result of incomplete speciation.

Also, it's always confused me that evolution is interpreted by some as a "force" with a will of its own. Evolution is just a name that describes a passive process that must take place in response to external stressors. We know that all specimens in each species are unique. Therefore, some are better suited to survival when environmental stressors are applied. If you get killed because you were too short or too tall or too weak or too nearsighted, your genes don't get passed on. Too bad for the dead ones, but that's evolution in a nutshell...passive as can be, with no plans to speak of.


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Re: race as an evolutionary mechanism? [Re: SpecialEd]
    #2184404 - 12/17/03 03:05 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

It was a mechanism of evolution that mankind separated into different races so that certain qualities would be overexpressed in each race. Then, as the races slowly came back together, there would be one supercharged race.

if this is the case, some people really got the shaft.


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Re: race as an evolutionary mechanism? [Re: SpecialEd]
    #2184532 - 12/17/03 04:15 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

The physical features of different races are genetic mutations that prooved to be advantagous in adapting the regions where they lived. That's how natural selection works: strong traits survive, weak ones die off.


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Re: race as an evolutionary mechanism? [Re: SpecialEd]
    #2189823 - 12/19/03 10:21 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

SpecialEd said:It was a mechanism of evolution that mankind separated into different races so that certain qualities would be overexpressed in each race. Then, as the races slowly came back together, there would be one supercharged race.




by interbreeding we are in fact weakening humanity.
the greater the different between races, the greater chance humanity has of surviving a mass extinction.
but hey
nothing says we have to last and plenty says we wont
im counting on the yanomama
or a self sufficient lunar colony
or eskamos

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Re: race as an evolutionary mechanism? [Re: knumb]
    #2190017 - 12/19/03 12:17 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

"the greater the different between races, the greater chance humanity has of surviving a mass extinction. "


Based on what?


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Re: race as an evolutionary mechanism? [Re: Phluck]
    #2190066 - 12/19/03 12:44 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Zakkly. It is not as if some humans have wings and some have tails and...


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Re: race as an evolutionary mechanism? [Re: Swami]
    #2190077 - 12/19/03 12:50 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Yeah,

  Wouldn't it be cool if we had tails>>  We could use them to pick up things and close the door behind us when our hands are full.  It would be so helpful to have a tail> :grin:


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Re: race as an evolutionary mechanism? [Re: SpecialEd]
    #2190103 - 12/19/03 01:04 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I was thinking more along these lines.

When you look at different races, you see different qualities. For example, African Americans seem to be superior athletes. People of Asian and Indian (used to be?) may be considered more spiritual. White folks seem to be good at industrialization. All of these qualities develop in seperate races, then, through interbreeding, one race emerges that has genetic predisposition to all of these traits.


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Re: race as an evolutionary mechanism? [Re: Phluck]
    #2191036 - 12/19/03 06:20 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

Phluck said:
"the greater the different between races, the greater chance humanity has of surviving a mass extinction. "


Based on what?




nothing im just spouting
but few things can stop a disease like social isolation
if your tribe is isolated and my tribe is isolated we are probably going to develop different survival solutions and mechanisms, different antibodies, different strengths and different weaknesses.

there have been well documented cases of disease epidemics following cultural diversification. (im thinking specifically south america).
whether this is a strengthening process or an weakening process is open to debate.
personally i believe that there is a greater chance of disease devestating a homogenized human population then a diverse one.

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