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southaus
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id request adelaide hills actives
#21830777 - 06/20/15 12:17 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Took a friend on his first hunt. Would like a ti confirmation for his peace of mind I say they are all subs a mate of his thought there was 2 species. All printed black on white printer paper and all stems Bruised blue/black. Found amongst small pine trees in various stages of growth. We only took what was open enough to print and not munched by bugs. It was a 2 hour hunt and the biggest flush I have seen in this spot. The subs seem to lack the large nipple on top or it is very small. Alot of wavey caps amongst them. A trusted identifiers thumbs up would be good. I have more pics coming... this is the haul.
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Re: id request adelaide hills actives [Re: southaus]
#21830783 - 06/20/15 12:18 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Re: id request adelaide hills actives [Re: southaus]
#21830867 - 06/20/15 12:42 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Re: id request adelaide hills actives [Re: southaus]
#21831198 - 06/20/15 03:27 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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southaus said: I have more pics coming... this is the haul.
Looking at your pictures so far it seems like you have Psilocybe subaeruginosa. You should check that they all bruise blue. If in doubt, throw it out.
Generally I'd advise you to take close-up shots when asking for identification.
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Re: id request adelaide hills actives [Re: Anglerfish]
#21831209 - 06/20/15 03:43 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Thanks for that. Here are some better pics of the same species
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Re: id request adelaide hills actives [Re: southaus]
#21831296 - 06/20/15 04:54 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Beautiful fuckin subs brotha nice finds
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southaus
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Cheers. My usual spot is producing large flushes of these approximately once a week since just before winter started. Getting bigger and bigger and noticed heaps of pins. I just wish I still had my 21 megapixel camera with macro zoom on it.... Sorry for the crappy pics in the first set. Thats wjat my mate took n sent me when he got home and laid them out to print and dry
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Re: id request adelaide hills actives [Re: southaus]
#21831351 - 06/20/15 05:30 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I would definitely say they are all subs just in different stages of growth. But a TI will confirm.
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Dont be scared to take spore prints if your the least bit concerned that a few look different. Spore prints tell all.
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LincolnCityTripper said: Spore prints tell all.
They'll tell a lot, but not really all, as many species have dark purplish brown to almost black spores in deposit.
Leratiomyces ceres, a species frequenting the same type of habitat as P. subaeruginosa, are one of them. Hypholoma spp. are others, as well as Psathyrella and Stropharia. I've even seen a Cortinarius species leaving what could be mistaken for a purplish-brown print:

^^these spores were dropped by Cortinarius vernus:

So, in short, one feature alone is not necessarily enough to determine a species.
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Re: id request adelaide hills actives [Re: Anglerfish]
#21831382 - 06/20/15 06:00 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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LincolnCityTripper said: Spore prints tell all.
They'll tell a lot, but not really all, as many species have dark purplish brown to almost black spores in deposit.
Leratiomyces ceres, a species frequenting the same type of habitat as P. subaeruginosa, are one of them. Hypholoma spp. are others, as well as Psathyrella and Stropharia. I've even seen a Cortinarius species leaving what could be mistaken for a purplish-brown print:

^^these spores were dropped by Cortinarius vernus:

So, in short, one feature alone is not necessarily enough to determine a species.
So your saying you wouldn't be able to determine the difference in spores threw a microscope? Because I would think most who have the knowledge would be able to.
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LincolnCityTripper said: So your saying you wouldn't be able to determine the difference in spores threw a microscope? Because I would think most who have the knowledge would be able to.
Well, you initially referred to prints, not microscopy. And again, studying microscopic features of a mushroom is principally similar to studying macroscopic features. You'll need to include all vital features to get anywhere. Many species are hard to tell apart from spores alone - basically since many species have spores of similar shape, color and length. One example is Psilocybe semilanceata and its closest relations, these are virtually impossible to tell apart watching the spores alone, and still difficult enough when including other features like cystidia.
These things are however better explained by people with practical microscopic experience.
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Re: id request adelaide hills actives [Re: Anglerfish]
#21832965 - 06/20/15 04:28 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Thanks for the tips every shroom printed the same color Deffinately no brown in them and I alwaysspore print even when Im sure of species. I showed my friend gallerina and subs growing side by side In the field and also pointed out a few of the other nasty ones.
The way I id in the field is look at the stem should be nice and white The stem should not crush easily has a smooth finish and signs of blueing. Secondly the shape and colour of the cap and signs of spores around the stem and cap. I am very gentle with my subs however blue shows up pretty quick After picking and I always use scissors so where they are cut stains Rather quick. The long thin stem that can roll in my fingertips is a giveaway. And last of all I take a print from every mishroom. If in doubt or even if I can not get a print I throw them out. If there is anything else anyone wants to add be my guest. So far I think I have shown my friend how to hunt and where to find them. I don't want him or any of his friends getting sick over the wrong shroom.
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Re: id request adelaide hills actives [Re: southaus]
#21835682 - 06/21/15 07:20 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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LincolnCityTripper said: So your saying you wouldn't be able to determine the difference in spores threw a microscope? Because I would think most who have the knowledge would be able to.
Well, you initially referred to prints, not microscopy. And again, studying microscopic features of a mushroom is principally similar to studying macroscopic features. You'll need to include all vital features to get anywhere. Many species are hard to tell apart from spores alone - basically since many species have spores of similar shape, color and length. One example is Psilocybe semilanceata and its closest relations, these are virtually impossible to tell apart watching the spores alone, and still difficult enough when including other features like cystidia.
These things are however better explained by people with practical microscopic experience.
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LincolnCityTripper said: So your saying you wouldn't be able to determine the difference in spores threw a microscope? Because I would think most who have the knowledge would be able to.
Well, you initially referred to prints, not microscopy. And again, studying microscopic features of a mushroom is principally similar to studying macroscopic features. You'll need to include all vital features to get anywhere. Many species are hard to tell apart from spores alone - basically since many species have spores of similar shape, color and length. One example is Psilocybe semilanceata and its closest relations, these are virtually impossible to tell apart watching the spores alone, and still difficult enough when including other features like cystidia.
These things are however better explained by people with practical microscopic experience.
Im glad to know I was correct about the ID. Some how this TI made your thread about what I thought and not confirming that all your collections were subs. Read OPs thread and what hes asking and what he wants to know before making this about me. Deflate your head a bit I think your about to float out of the atmosphere.
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southaus
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Thanks for all the input. I agree top pictures should be clearer for an accurate id. All spore prints came out black. So correct me if im wrong But combined with blue bruised stems they are subs? Which is what I believed them to be all along was just after a TI to confirm it.
I have also read in tge words of Allan Rockafella that all mushrooms with A black spore print are edible to a degree. Would this be true or do I need Correcting with that. Thanks guys
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Re: id request adelaide hills actives [Re: southaus]
#21839311 - 06/21/15 09:12 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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And some dry pics just to be sure. My question still remains about black spore prints. Thanks in advance SA
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Re: id request adelaide hills actives [Re: southaus]
#21840663 - 06/22/15 05:13 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Can I eat these? Im hungry
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Re: id request adelaide hills actives [Re: southaus]
#21840665 - 06/22/15 05:15 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Your spore prints look dark brown to me. That's normal for subs. A denser concentration of spores gives a darker print. Most importantly make sure they all show evidence of blue bruising. Any that don't bruise blue should be discarded as a sfatey measure.
From what I can see in this picture they're all psilocybe subaeruginosa. There's no mix of two different species here.
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Re: id request adelaide hills actives [Re: southaus]
#21840669 - 06/22/15 05:19 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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And some dry pics just to be sure. My question still remains about black spore prints. Thanks in advance SA
Yes, those are dry psilocybe subaeruginosa
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Re: id request adelaide hills actives [Re: bobwastaken]
#21840672 - 06/22/15 05:21 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Thanks heaps ericos bob you really should be a TI for our regeion. Your pics are excellent and you have a great understanding of species
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