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A crazy new theory solves 40-year-old mystery about what happens inside of a black hole
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A crazy new theory solves 40-year-old mystery about what happens inside of a black hole
There's a common notion that at the edge of every black hole lies a back door to the universe — an exit from reality into a new realm where fundamental laws of nature, like time, no longer behave the way that we understand them.
What happens once you cross this threshold is a long-standing mystery that the world's leading scientists have been pondering for decades with little headway.
Now, a recent paper presented at a conference in Paris this week has proposed a solution by looking at black holes in a completely different way.
Taking a novel approach to this age-old problem, the theory proposes that there is no back door to the universe in the first place. Instead, black holes are impenetrable bodies, called fuzzballs. Fuzzballs (yes, fuzzballs) are the new black holes
Samir Mathur, a professor of physics at The Ohio State University and sole author of the paper, says as you approach the fuzzball, your body will be destroyed but, oddly enough, you will not die. Rather, you'll be transformed into a copy of yourself, in the form of a hologram, that is forever embedded onto the surface of the fuzzball.
Mathur describes the surface as a thin fuzzy region of space instead of smooth, distinct feature, which is how he came up with the name "fuzzball".
When he first announced his fuzzball theory in 2003, it excited the scientific community because it offered a resolution to an outstanding paradox about black holes.
This paradox was originally discovered by astrophysicist Stephen Hawking more than 40 years ago and scientists have been attempting to explain it ever since.
However, Mathur's original calculations didn't conform to other well-established theories that describe the nature of black holes. So, he's spent over 15 years molding and maturing his argument.
Now, his latest paper has taken a significant step forward, suggesting that his picture of black holes as the holographic copy machines of the universe, while bizarre, could mean that fuzzballs truly are how scientists should be thinking about these mysterious cosmic beasts to better understand their behavior.
But some scientists are skeptical of Mathur's conclusions. Although they support his novel view of black holes, they suggest you won't survive your encounter with a fuzzball, at all, but suffer a fiery death. The most extreme environments in space
What makes black holes so exotic is their powerful gravitational grip, which acts like a deep well in space, warping the space and time around and within.
Moreover, this grip has the power to swallow everything that passes too close, including light. This means anything that falls into the well never returns, which makes it nearly impossible to determine what happens beyond the edge of a black hole.
That didn't stop Hawking from first attempting to find some answers in the early '70s.
Unlike Mathur, Hawking pictured black holes with back doors through which material was pulled by gravity. So, Hawking began to explore what happens just outside of that door, moments before crossing over to the dark side for eternity.
What he found in 1976 from following the well-established laws of physics originally set down by Albert Einstein and Paul Dirac and many others, was shocking: Black holes don't just consume material through their back doors. They also emit it in the form of radiation.
A pesky paradox
While this was a momentous discovery — the radiation has since been named Hawking radiation — it generated a perplexing issue, called the black hole information paradox, that scientists have yet to resolve.
But Mathur thinks he's done just that with his fuzzball theory.
Hawking radiation is generated from whatever falls first into a black hole, according to Hawking's theory.
Some of what falls in gets spit back out while the rest is trapped inside of the black hole, where it's eventually destroyed and lost forever. This is where the paradox arises: One of the most fundamental concepts in physics states that no material in the universe can be completely lost or destroyed, which directly contradicts Hawking's original assumption.
Other than that small problem, the famous astrophysicist's logic was fool proof. And scientists today, including Mathur, still consider Hawking radiation a plausible component of black holes, although it has yet to be observed.
Nearly 30 years later, Hawking hasn't offered a convincing solution to the paradox he discovered, but Mathur might have. What Mathur has done differently is to think of black holes as a solid surface that has no back door.
Solving the information paradox
The fuzzball black holes that Mathur pictures are impenetrable and, therefore, don't have a region where material can fall into them. Rather, any object attracted by a fuzzball's gravitational pull will fall onto the surface.
When that happens, a near-perfect copy of the objects is created in the form of a hologram. That hologram goes on to live on the surface of the black hole, while the original copy feeds the fuzzball.
"The original copy is destroyed. More precisely, the data making up the original copy gets transformed to a new form, which is data on the surface of the fuzzball,” Mathur told Business Insider in an email. "When matter falls on the surface, this surface gets more energy, and it expands.”
When Mathur was first exploring this theory at the turn of the century, his original calculations suggested that your holographic twin was a perfect copy of your original self. However, other scientists argued that a perfect copy was impossible because the universe tends to favor imperfection.
Mathur's latest paper resolves this issue, showing how slightly altered copies could be possible.
From this, Mathur has managed to settle the black hole information paradox in two ways:
By removing the exotic realm inside a black hole where information is mysteriously destroyed and lost forever. By explaining exactly what happens to material as it reaches a black hole and how all of it is preserved and none is lost.
"The fuzzball structure resolves this paradox; that is the reason I believe in it," Mathur told Business Insider.
Strings of fuzzballs
To explain his assumptions mathematically, Mathur relies on a theoretical framework in physics called string theory, which suggests that all particles in the universe are made of tiny, one-dimensional strings that vibrate and interact with one another to generate the universe around us.
(This idea is controversial since no one has ever observed a string. Still, string theory offers convincing solutions to some outstanding scientific mysteries like quantum gravity — also referred to as a "unified theory of everything" — so physicists are reluctant to scrap it just yet.)
Mathur's fuzzball black holes are actually giant, balled-up collections of strings. So, theoretically, when an object touches the surface of the fuzzball, its mass gets converted into light, generating a holographic copy of its former self. Other string theorists disagree, though.
Building upon Mathur's logic, a team of physicists at the University of California proposed in 2012 that anything falling onto the surface of a fuzzball would immediately be "burned to a crisp" and die. This group's "firewall" theory divided the scientific community into supporters of fuzzballs versus supporters of firewalls.
One way to resolve the issue would be a scientific experiment.
"It is hard to check the fuzzball structure explicitly by an experiment," Mathur told Business Insider in an email. "One way would be if we could ever make tiny black hole in an accelerator like [those at] CERN."
Particle accelerators slam particles together at near the speed of light, which can generate extreme environments that are similar to the early universe. Whether the world most powerful accelerators at CERN (European Organization for Nuclear Research) can produce tiny black holes this way is questionable.
Regardless, there is a growing group of scientists around the world in support of Mathur's idea who are exploring different facets of the theory. The deeper they dig, the more likely they'll discover the truth of fuzzballs.
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Re: A crazy new theory solves 40-year-old mystery about what happens inside of a black hole [Re: musiclover420] 1
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A theory doesn't solve anything.
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Re: A crazy new theory solves 40-year-old mystery about what happens inside of a black hole [Re: Shiithead]
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This is the first thing I thought too. Theories are unproven.
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Re: A crazy new theory solves 40-year-old mystery about what happens inside of a black hole [Re: wildernessjunkie]
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A theory doesn't solve anything.
This is the first thing I thought too. Theories are unproven.
And it was my thought as well.
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Re: A crazy new theory solves 40-year-old mystery about what happens inside of a black hole [Re: LuSiD enthusiast]
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Re: A crazy new theory solves 40-year-old mystery about what happens inside of a black hole [Re: LuSiD enthusiast]
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Did I say it solved anything? 
Pretty much everything in science is a theory, some are just more widely accepted/ proven than others.
They are constantly changing though, no thanks to doubters like you two.
It takes forward thinking to come up with new far out possibilities before we can even begin proving them.
I personally find the holographic universe theory very fascinating so this excited me quite a bit
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Re: A crazy new theory solves 40-year-old mystery about what happens inside of a black hole [Re: wildernessjunkie]
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The theory really just raises more questions than answers imo.
I do like this part though
"The original copy is destroyed. More precisely, the data making up the original copy gets transformed to a new form, which is data on the surface of the fuzzball,” Mathur told Business Insider in an email. "When matter falls on the surface, this surface gets more energy, and it expands.”
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Re: A crazy new theory solves 40-year-old mystery about what happens inside of a black hole [Re: musiclover420] 1
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I'm just imagining a bunch of theoretical physicists nodding thoughtfully as they discuss among themselves how they bet you get flattened and then a hologram copy gets made of you when you touch the fuzzball at the center of a black hole. I want a few hits of whatever these folks are on.
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Re: A crazy new theory solves 40-year-old mystery about what happens inside of a black hole [Re: musiclover420] 3
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What is this, astrophysics for cats? Someone is tickling our fuzzballs with all this nonsense.
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Re: A crazy new theory solves 40-year-old mystery about what happens inside of a black hole [Re: musiclover420]
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A crazy new theory solves 40-year-old mystery about what happens inside of a black hole
Something that's always bugged me though is that the reason we're so hung up on what happens in a blackhole is because "according to physics material in the universe cannot be destroyed". Yet It's also said over and over that the laws of physics break down inside a blackhole. If the laws of physics really do break down inside, then it's entirely possible material can be destroyed/information lost.
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Re: A crazy new theory solves 40-year-old mystery about what happens inside of a black hole [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
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It really sounds kind of like salvia to me, quite a few similarities
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Re: A crazy new theory solves 40-year-old mystery about what happens inside of a black hole [Re: Shroomslip]
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A crazy new theory solves 40-year-old mystery about what happens inside of a black hole
Something that's always bugged me though is that the reason we're so hung up on what happens in a blackhole is because "according to physics material in the universe cannot be destroyed". Yet It's also said over and over that the laws of physics break down inside a blackhole. If the laws of physics really do break down inside, then it's entirely possible material can be destroyed/information lost.
So? Do you understand how theories work? Galileo theorized the earth was round to solve psychics problems he has noticed around earth being flat.
Then eventually it was proven, that is how theories work. People theorize possible answers to problems with other more accepted ones, then try to prove it.
This is how science progresses...
We have no idea what really goes on inside a blackhole, so all we can do is theorize the possibilities until we come up with what makes the most sense.
Then look for evidence to substantiate it.
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I do like this part though
"The original copy is destroyed. More precisely, the data making up the original copy gets transformed to a new form, which is data on the surface of the fuzzball,” Mathur told Business Insider in an email. "When matter falls on the surface, this surface gets more energy, and it expands.”
all the best theories tend to do that
I really like that concept myself, it supports some of my own theories around black holes and their theoretical counterpart, "white holes"
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Re: A crazy new theory solves 40-year-old mystery about what happens inside of a black hole [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
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It really sounds kind of like salvia to me, quite a few similarities
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Re: A crazy new theory solves 40-year-old mystery about what happens inside of a black hole [Re: musiclover420]
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I know what theory is. I was pointing out where you said this theory solves everything because you asked "did I say this solves anything?".
The last part was just something I edited in that's always bugged me. The same scientist who will tell you that that by the law of physics matter/information cannot be destroyed, will also say that the laws of physics simply break down inside a black hole, that same scientist will then try to understand what happens to said material/information under the basis that it cannot just be destroyed. The simple answer is that it is possible under their current belief/theory, yet they say it's not possible. It's just always bugged me.
To be clear, I don't mind the theorizing. It's not the first time I've heard the hologram explanation.
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Re: A crazy new theory solves 40-year-old mystery about what happens inside of a black hole [Re: Shroomslip]
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I know what happens inside your mom's black hole.
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Re: A crazy new theory solves 40-year-old mystery about what happens inside of a black hole [Re: Shroomslip]
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Well it is not solving anything in the sense it proves anything, it is solving problems with older more accepted theories 
I don't see any issue with that.
As for the black holes, if you read the article besides the "fuzzball" theory it mentions the "firewall" one which is basically just matter being destroyed upon entering.
There are problems with them both obviously but to me the fuzzball theory makes more sense.
Black holes suck up and store everything they come into contact with but they also theoretically put out radiation and particles, possibly from the "white hole" aspect of them. So if they really "destroyed" all the matter what would be making up the black hole? Seems plausible at least something would remain behind from everything that is making up the singularity. We may never know though.
If not and the universe is eventually destroyed by super massive black holes breaking the fabric of space/ time we are all pretty fucked 
I like to stick with the more interesting/ positive theories.
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Re: A crazy new theory solves 40-year-old mystery about what happens inside of a black hole [Re: musiclover420]
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I like the hologram theory because it makes me think. If a human fell in and became a hologram, what form would we really be in? Just basically an inanimate picture? Would life just seemingly continue on for us as if nothing had happened? Would we awake in some alien space where we're aware of what's going on? If we were animate, would we still have our memories? A lot of questions to ponder.
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Re: A crazy new theory solves 40-year-old mystery about what happens inside of a black hole [Re: musiclover420]
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i think it sounds theory.
I mean a "ball" that copies matter and projects it onto its outer surface after destroying the original copy?
Thats just ridiculous.
Just like all the believers in a "holographic Universe", im sorry, just my buying...
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Re: A crazy new theory solves 40-year-old mystery about what happens inside of a black hole [Re: Shroomslip]
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Makes one think indeed. How can anyone say we are not inside a black hole right now? We could very well be "holograms" and not even know it.
LC have you read up much on blackholes? They have some very far out properties, it is not as ridiculous as it may sound.
Keep in mind people like Galileo were killed for believing things like the earth being round.
So of course something as far out as this is going to be hard to grasp, even if it was proven
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Re: A crazy new theory solves 40-year-old mystery about what happens inside of a black hole [Re: musiclover420]
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Yes, ive read about black holes.
My theory is that matter is ejected out the "backdoor" of the blackhole into another Universe.
I still believe in the conservation of matter, but i also believe that there other Universes surrounding ours like bubbles slightly touching eachother.
But to say matter is destroyed and makes peerfects holograms on the surface, thats pretty weird.
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Re: A crazy new theory solves 40-year-old mystery about what happens inside of a black hole [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
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It isn't being destroyed though, it is being changed but leaving behind a reflection of what it was, then part of it is sent back out to the universe.
Pretty sure in Steven Hawkings book "a brief history of time and space" he talks about black holes potentially sending particles back in time through their crazy properties. If I remember correctly, supposedly through the intense gravity/ singularity properties when matter is absorbed it is partly broken down so intensely part of the matter is sent slightly back in time.
I have not read that book in years though.
Have you read up on white holes? It could make sense matter would be stored and also partly spewed back out as "hawking radiation" or particles shot back in time.
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Re: A crazy new theory solves 40-year-old mystery about what happens inside of a black hole [Re: musiclover420]
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Please post a cut and paste of your OP in the Singularity Thinktank Forum
This is a major part of the puzzle we're working on there.
Go ahead and crosspost this, please.
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Re: A crazy new theory solves 40-year-old mystery about what happens inside of a black hole [Re: Asante]
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Been meaning to check out that forum, so can do
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Re: A crazy new theory solves 40-year-old mystery about what happens inside of a black hole [Re: musiclover420]
#21831307 - 06/20/15 04:56 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Re: A crazy new theory solves 40-year-old mystery about what happens inside of a black hole [Re: musiclover420]
#21831331 - 06/20/15 05:13 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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i like this theory! its far from new tho. just a retelling of the same tale  its alot like my own and i can relate to it. me and a group of geeks with aspergers have been working on for a while.
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i see 'reality' as crystalline in nature its just the void is not saturtated enough for crystals to drop out of suspension.
the space between atoms, the space between sub atomic particles ect is like liquid or air crystals. the crystals of reality act as diodes and capacitors only allow energy to pass in 1 direction and working like gates to amplifiy and oscillate set frequencies, thus in the process giving polarity or positive and negative. i think this is part of the force that holds atoms together and that governs all other force fields particually electro magnetism.
i feel in black holes as reality ( the force the creates everything, superstring field, unified field ect not mass itself)is broken down and as it cools again in the far reaches of the black hole reality outweights the void and as things starts to cool and become saturated reality crystals drop out of suspension.
some event maybe even viewing into a blackhole causes some particles to gain mass when they normally wouldnt (quantum effect) this energy release is like a nuclear bomb and then the crystals act as a diode( as we no they can and do) channeling this pure energy wave and worked in series act as an amplifier(we use this in radios ect (quartzs crystals, germanium diodes ect) the enegy release becomes to great for the void that contains it bubbling out creating a new big bang!
the heat created makes the reality crystals act as a solute again and dissolve as reality is heated and then spread out. creating a new universe.
remeber when we enter into the blackhole time is irrelevant and everything would be stretched over the swartzchild radius and in the singularity at the same time(allowing the chance of quantum effects as time is stretched to infinity all these things can be said to happen in the same frame.
time again would emerge out of the new big bang because of the motion and position ect separating the forces and time is an emergent property of this process! createing a new start point in time. i feel as crystals fall in a regular pattern and growing crystals you can gain more order out of a dissordered state. if you make crystals and then take a pieces of perfect crystal and use as a seed to grow new crystals the new crystal follows the order of the seed very predictibly. this predictability says that if reality was crystalline then the initial conditions of any given big bang would be very similar! so recreating very similar universes with similar laws of physics!
we could say our whole universe is in a black hole and our reality is the smear across the swartzchild radius and the place everything really exists is in the singularity and what we get is like a holographic projection.
a holographic projection from crystals of reality maybe!!
maybe one day we will have the maths to prove it! it would explain alot of things.
the 10th dimension would just be an energy projection of the reality crystals. think of frequencies of vibrating strings or waves..
maybe the vibration is the energy that the crystals are refracting thus creating every possible combination of waves that has or ever will exist and its measuring (quantum theory) the waves that collapses the function and creates particles as we know them in the 3rd dimension of perceivable reality with our senses! so the waves have folded through all the other dimensions to get here. so we get 1 possible timeline/combination folded through another dimension and then again through the next and so on till its in the 3rd where it it narrowed to the possibility we see today when we as observers collapse the wave function creating our universe.
if reality is crystalline and super massive blackholes this in some way, each fractal universe would be seeded from the same crystals. everything would be cyclical and blackholes dont suck up and destroy they are the creators! universes in a giant black hole with smaller blackholes inside that spawn fractal new universers and so on ad ifinitum.
maybe everything literally has repeated over and over and over again. only way to break the cycle is to find what would trigger the big bang like above! knowing humans its us lol maybe in every universe we progress to the point we measure a blackhole and trigger a new one! dooming another universe or blessing another universe to do the same. and this is why human are built into the conciuosness of the universe as we keep evolving with it in every universe and actually are the trigger of the next creating the perpetual cycle / symbiosis that is the grand design
the problem is in the fact of measuring changes outcome. so if we use a tool to measure a quantum effect the results are invalid. as say a camera is used to measure an effect, when we view the footage the camera becomes part of the thing being measured as we try to access the information contained!! the camera measures the effect but we the could change the result or outcome because we have to measure the camera. so the tool becomes part of the whole measuring process. so how do we then measure the effect us measuring the camera has?
dont steal my theory tho asante lol its mine and mine to share but i dont want anyone is they use it to take credit for my madness, it has took its toll on my body but phycosis really is a fine line between madness and genius
lol we just need to find a solution that the solute (reality) dissolves in so we can then find a solvent to separate and extract and base 'reality' 
that would be some trip lol
crystals are the only thing i can see that break the laws of entropy and do it easily.
you can take any organic compound in an impure state with not much order... dissolve and recrystallize and gain more purity and also more order in the way the moleclues are joined together creating polar crystals... you can take 1 piece of a polar crystal and use as a seed to grow an even more perfect and ordered system. so on ad infinitum. if reality/ the forces that binds everything and holds the electron in position around the nuclei of the atom creating the mini universe that makes all matter can be contained in a solution and crystalizes we could in affect seed many identical universes from these crystals using blackholes and forcing a new big bang. it fits in with lots of our basic understanding of physics, quantum entanglement, string theory, black holes ect
it explains the source of the energy in string theory( the energy is just the refraction from theses crystals creating an infinite possible combinations of waves ready to be collapsed creating reality.) the possibilitys are narrowed to what we have in our dimension as only certain waves pass/fold through certain timelines and dimensions to get here. only allowing the waves we have in our dimension and giving a finite amount of possible combintations that the waves can collapse in!
it aslo fully encompasses and explains the loss of information in blackholes without the need for hawking radiation!
the information and energy is preserved in crystals with frequencies!
it also explains how expansion can speed up and how a small source of energy can be amplified and lead to the big bang!
these are the real goals in modern science be that physics or cosmology ect
it would make the universal system fully cyclical with no loss of information or energy just re-ajustment of frequencies.
and removes entropy from the universal view as the universes could seed from highly mixed up states but still giving highly predictable outcomes.
so allows a state that means the universe or universes with go on forever or repeat forever!
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Re: A crazy new theory solves 40-year-old mystery about what happens inside of a black hole [Re: musiclover420]
#21831442 - 06/20/15 06:41 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Pretty much everything in science is a theory,
Then its not really science now is it???
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Re: A crazy new theory solves 40-year-old mystery about what happens inside of a black hole [Re: Shiithead]
#21831454 - 06/20/15 06:47 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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This theory is probably wrong, but go Buckeyes!
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Re: A crazy new theory solves 40-year-old mystery about what happens inside of a black hole [Re: Shiithead]
#21831478 - 06/20/15 07:04 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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through observation and experiment.
Yes, so people Observe stuff and form theories then experiment to find evidence for their theory.
That is how science works. If no one ever theorized anything we never would have been able to prove the earth is round...
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Re: A crazy new theory solves 40-year-old mystery about what happens inside of a black hole [Re: musiclover420]
#21831493 - 06/20/15 07:18 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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through observation and experiment.
Yes, so people Observe stuff and form theories then experiment to find evidence for their theory.
That is how science works. If no one ever theorized anything we never would have been able to prove the earth is round...
Okay well when you go around telling everyone your theory of it being flat, for example, and you list point a,b, and c; You end up with misinformation. Especially if you can't disprove the theory..... Theories are theories and facts are facts. When you start intertwining the two to suit your own agenda, you deny the truth to breathe...
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Re: A crazy new theory solves 40-year-old mystery about what happens inside of a black hole [Re: Shiithead]
#21831576 - 06/20/15 08:00 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Why are htere so many crazy theories about black holes?
I thought they were just an area of extremely high density area that creates a gravitational field that sucks everything crossing the event horizon into it adding to it's mass.
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Re: A crazy new theory solves 40-year-old mystery about what happens inside of a black hole [Re: luvdemboomers]
#21831767 - 06/20/15 09:22 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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It is becouse they are intense singularities and possess very unique properties which we are still trying to fully understand.
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Re: A crazy new theory solves 40-year-old mystery about what happens inside of a black hole [Re: MilkdudTitties]
#21831778 - 06/20/15 09:27 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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MilkdudTitties said: The theory really just raises more questions than answers imo.
I do like this part though
"The original copy is destroyed. More precisely, the data making up the original copy gets transformed to a new form, which is data on the surface of the fuzzball,” Mathur told Business Insider in an email. "When matter falls on the surface, this surface gets more energy, and it expands.”
I like the part about fuzzballs. Makes me think this has potential for a pixar movie.
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Re: A crazy new theory solves 40-year-old mystery about what happens inside of a black hole [Re: LuSiD enthusiast]
#21831960 - 06/20/15 10:44 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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everything that is absorbed inside the black hole is pulverised. information is destroyed. it is transformed into some sort of radiation emitted by the black hole itself.
black holes are huge cosmic trashcans.
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Re: A crazy new theory solves 40-year-old mystery about what happens inside of a black hole [Re: Vsnares.Zappa]
#21831997 - 06/20/15 10:57 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Last I checked they still have yet to actually find any Hawkings Radiation so it is still just a theory they output radiation.
How can the prove it "pulverizes" stuff? Anyways for all we know black holes effect time as well as light and the moment one gets caught in it time stops
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Re: A crazy new theory solves 40-year-old mystery about what happens inside of a black hole [Re: musiclover420]
#21832127 - 06/20/15 11:47 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I'm interested into how time stops. I can't really comprehend that.
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Re: A crazy new theory solves 40-year-old mystery about what happens inside of a black hole [Re: luvdemboomers]
#21832154 - 06/20/15 11:56 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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because the laws of physics would break down and time is only an emergent property.
the same way time in different places on earth moves at different speeds because of the change in gravity as we orbit the sun. look up time dilation for more info.
and it aint just a quack theory its einstiens theory of relativity!!
as time can be slowed up and speeded up by altering just the force of gravity this implys that time could stop altogether in a black hole where gravity has no dominion.
time emerges out of the effect of gravity from position and motion in space time
time only ticks at the same rate if you are stationary with equal gravity. any motion effects time. and motion effects time as motion overcomes /fights /limits the effects of gravity.
if we move at different speeds our time tick differently. only tiny amounts but different none the less. but amplified over distance it can make a big difference.
this is why if we sent you to space in a rocket and sent you in orbit at light speed for a year... for you a year would have passed but when you get back everyone else would be alot older or already dead as time for them would have passed at a different rate!
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Re: A crazy new theory solves 40-year-old mystery about what happens inside of a black hole [Re: luvdemboomers]
#21832195 - 06/20/15 12:13 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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rad article,
thanks for posting
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Re: A crazy new theory solves 40-year-old mystery about what happens inside of a black hole [Re: Mr.PhilCybin]
#21832200 - 06/20/15 12:15 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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no matter = no time
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Re: A crazy new theory solves 40-year-old mystery about what happens inside of a black hole [Re: Vsnares.Zappa]
#21832232 - 06/20/15 12:28 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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exactly!
no matter, so no gravity from any matters mass = no warping of spacetime = time stands still= just space with nothing moving
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Re: A crazy new theory solves 40-year-old mystery about what happens inside of a black hole [Re: musiclover420]
#21832322 - 06/20/15 12:59 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I don't think this is a theory at all, it's a hypothesis.
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Re: A crazy new theory solves 40-year-old mystery about what happens inside of a black hole [Re: Shiithead]
#21832394 - 06/20/15 01:27 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Thoughts?
A theory doesn't solve anything.
This made me happy that this was the first post.
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