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Re: A crazy new theory solves 40-year-old mystery about what happens inside of a black hole [Re: musiclover420]
    #21830978 - 06/20/15 01:06 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Yes, ive read about black holes.

My theory is that matter is ejected out the "backdoor" of the blackhole into another Universe.

I still believe in the conservation of matter, but i also believe that there other Universes surrounding ours like bubbles slightly touching eachother.

But to say matter is destroyed and makes peerfects holograms on the surface, thats pretty weird.


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Re: A crazy new theory solves 40-year-old mystery about what happens inside of a black hole [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #21831013 - 06/20/15 01:14 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

It isn't being destroyed though, it is being changed but leaving behind a reflection of what it was, then part of it is sent back out to the universe.

Pretty sure in Steven Hawkings book "a brief history of time and space" he talks about black holes potentially sending particles back in time through their crazy properties. If I remember correctly, supposedly through the intense gravity/ singularity properties when matter is absorbed it is partly broken down so intensely part of the matter is sent slightly back in time.

I have not read that book in years though.

Have you read up on white holes? It could make sense matter would be stored and also partly spewed back out as "hawking radiation" or particles shot back in time.


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Re: A crazy new theory solves 40-year-old mystery about what happens inside of a black hole [Re: musiclover420]
    #21831284 - 06/20/15 04:48 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Please post a cut and paste of your OP in the Singularity Thinktank Forum

This is a major part of the puzzle we're working on there.

Go ahead and crosspost this, please.


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Re: A crazy new theory solves 40-year-old mystery about what happens inside of a black hole [Re: Asante]
    #21831305 - 06/20/15 04:55 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Been meaning to check out that forum, so can do :thumbup:


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Re: A crazy new theory solves 40-year-old mystery about what happens inside of a black hole [Re: musiclover420]
    #21831307 - 06/20/15 04:56 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Thank you!


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Re: A crazy new theory solves 40-year-old mystery about what happens inside of a black hole [Re: musiclover420]
    #21831331 - 06/20/15 05:13 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

i like this theory!
its far from new tho.
just a retelling of the same tale :smile:
its alot like my own and i can relate to it.
me and a group of geeks with aspergers have been working on for a while.

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i see 'reality' as crystalline in nature  its just the void is not saturtated enough for crystals to drop out of suspension.

the space between atoms, the space between sub atomic particles ect is like liquid or air crystals.
the crystals of reality act as diodes  and capacitors only allow energy to pass in 1 direction and working like gates to amplifiy and oscillate set frequencies, thus in the process giving polarity or positive and negative.
i think this is part of the force that holds atoms together and that governs all other force fields particually electro magnetism.

i feel in black holes as reality ( the force the creates everything, superstring field, unified field ect not mass itself)is broken down and as it cools again in the far reaches of the black hole reality outweights the void and as things starts to cool and become saturated reality crystals drop out of suspension.

some event maybe even viewing into a blackhole causes some particles to gain mass when they normally wouldnt (quantum effect) this energy release is like a nuclear bomb and then the crystals act as a diode( as we no they can and do) channeling this pure energy wave and worked in series act as an amplifier(we use this in radios ect (quartzs crystals, germanium diodes ect) the enegy release becomes to great for the void that contains it bubbling out creating a new big bang!

the heat created makes the reality crystals act as a solute again and dissolve as reality is heated and then spread out.
creating a new universe.

remeber when we enter into the blackhole time is irrelevant and everything would be stretched over the swartzchild radius and in the singularity at the same time(allowing the chance of quantum effects as time is stretched to infinity all these things can be said to happen in the same frame.

time again would emerge out of the new big bang because of the motion and position ect  separating the forces and time is an emergent property of this process!
createing a new start point in time.
i feel as crystals fall in a regular pattern and growing crystals you can gain more order out of a dissordered state.
if you make crystals and then take a pieces of perfect crystal and use as a seed to grow new crystals the new crystal follows the order of the seed very predictibly.
this predictability says that if reality was crystalline then the initial conditions of any given big bang would be very similar!
so recreating very similar universes with similar laws of physics!


we could say our whole universe is in a black hole and our reality is the smear across the swartzchild radius and the place everything really exists is in the singularity and what we get is like a holographic projection.

a holographic projection from crystals of reality maybe!!

maybe one day we will have the maths to prove it!
it would explain alot of things.

the 10th dimension would just be an energy projection of the reality crystals.
think of frequencies of vibrating strings or waves..

maybe the vibration is the energy that the crystals are refracting thus creating every possible combination of waves that has or ever will exist and its measuring (quantum theory) the waves that collapses the function and creates particles as we know them in the 3rd dimension of perceivable reality with our senses! so the waves have folded through all the other dimensions to get here.
so we get 1 possible timeline/combination folded through another dimension and then again through the next and so on till its in the 3rd where it it narrowed to the possibility we see today when we as observers collapse the wave function creating our universe.

if reality is crystalline and super massive blackholes this in some way, each fractal universe would be seeded from the same crystals.
everything would be cyclical and blackholes dont suck up and destroy they are the creators! universes in a giant black hole with smaller blackholes inside that spawn fractal new universers and so on ad ifinitum.

maybe everything literally has repeated over and over and over again.
only way to break the cycle is to find what would trigger the big bang like above!
knowing humans its us lol
maybe in every universe we progress to the point we measure a blackhole and trigger a new one!
dooming another universe  or blessing another universe to do the same.
and this is why human are built into the conciuosness of the universe as we keep evolving with it in every universe and actually are the trigger of the next creating the perpetual cycle / symbiosis that is the grand design


the problem is in the fact of measuring changes outcome.
so if we use a tool to measure a quantum effect the results are invalid.
as say a camera is used to measure an effect, when we view the footage the camera becomes part of the thing being measured as we try to access the information contained!!
the camera measures the effect but we the could change the result or outcome because we have to measure the camera.
so the tool becomes part of the whole measuring process.
so how do we then measure the effect us measuring the camera has?


dont steal my theory tho asante lol
its mine and mine to share but i dont want anyone is they use it to take credit for my madness, it has took its toll on my body but phycosis really is a fine line between madness and genius

lol we just need to find a solution that the solute (reality) dissolves in  so we can then find a solvent to separate and extract and base 'reality' :smile:

that would be some trip lol




crystals are the only thing i can see that break the laws of entropy and do it easily.

you can take any organic compound in an impure state with not much order...
dissolve and recrystallize and gain more purity and also more order in the way the moleclues are joined together creating polar crystals...
you can take 1 piece of a polar crystal and use as a seed to grow an even more perfect and ordered system.
so on ad infinitum.
if reality/ the forces that binds everything and holds the electron in position around the nuclei of the atom creating the mini universe that makes all matter can be contained in a solution and crystalizes we could in affect seed many identical universes  from these crystals using blackholes and forcing a new big bang.
it fits in with lots of our basic understanding of physics, quantum entanglement, string theory, black holes ect

it explains the source of the energy in string theory( the energy is just the refraction from theses crystals creating an infinite possible combinations of waves ready to be collapsed creating reality.)
the possibilitys are narrowed to what we have in our dimension as only certain waves pass/fold through certain timelines and dimensions to get here.
only allowing the waves we have in our dimension and giving a finite amount of possible combintations that the waves can collapse in!

it aslo fully encompasses and explains the loss of information in blackholes without the need for hawking radiation!

the information and energy is preserved in crystals with frequencies!

it also explains how expansion can speed up and how a small source of energy can be amplified and lead to the big bang!

these are the real goals in modern science be that physics or cosmology ect

it would make the universal system fully cyclical with no loss of information or energy just re-ajustment of frequencies.

and removes entropy from the universal view as the universes could seed from highly mixed up states but still  giving highly predictable outcomes.

so allows a state that means the universe or universes with go on forever or repeat forever!



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Re: A crazy new theory solves 40-year-old mystery about what happens inside of a black hole [Re: musiclover420]
    #21831442 - 06/20/15 06:41 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Pretty much everything in science is a theory,







Then its not really science now is it???

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Re: A crazy new theory solves 40-year-old mystery about what happens inside of a black hole [Re: Shiithead]
    #21831454 - 06/20/15 06:47 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

This theory is probably wrong, but go Buckeyes!


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Re: A crazy new theory solves 40-year-old mystery about what happens inside of a black hole [Re: Shiithead]
    #21831478 - 06/20/15 07:04 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

:facepalm3:

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through observation and experiment.




Yes, so people Observe stuff and form theories then experiment to find evidence for their theory.

That is how science works. If no one ever theorized anything we never would have been able to prove the earth is round...


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Re: A crazy new theory solves 40-year-old mystery about what happens inside of a black hole [Re: musiclover420]
    #21831493 - 06/20/15 07:18 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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musiclover420 said:
:facepalm3:

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through observation and experiment.




Yes, so people Observe stuff and form theories then experiment to find evidence for their theory.

That is how science works. If no one ever theorized anything we never would have been able to prove the earth is round...




Okay well when you go around telling everyone your theory of it being flat, for example, and you list point a,b, and c; You end up with misinformation. Especially if you can't disprove the theory..... Theories are theories and facts are facts. When you start intertwining the two to suit your own agenda, you deny the truth to breathe...


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Re: A crazy new theory solves 40-year-old mystery about what happens inside of a black hole [Re: Shiithead]
    #21831576 - 06/20/15 08:00 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Why are htere so many crazy theories about black holes?


I thought they were just an area of extremely high density area that creates a gravitational field that sucks everything crossing the event horizon into it adding to it's mass.


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Re: A crazy new theory solves 40-year-old mystery about what happens inside of a black hole [Re: luvdemboomers]
    #21831767 - 06/20/15 09:22 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

It is becouse they are intense singularities and possess very unique properties which we are still trying to fully understand.


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Re: A crazy new theory solves 40-year-old mystery about what happens inside of a black hole [Re: MilkdudTitties]
    #21831778 - 06/20/15 09:27 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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The theory really just raises more questions than answers imo.

I do like this part though

"The original copy is destroyed. More precisely, the data making up the original copy gets transformed to a new form, which is data on the surface of the fuzzball,” Mathur told Business Insider in an email. "When matter falls on the surface, this surface gets more energy, and it expands.”



I like the part about fuzzballs. Makes me think this has potential for a pixar movie.


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Re: A crazy new theory solves 40-year-old mystery about what happens inside of a black hole [Re: LuSiD enthusiast]
    #21831960 - 06/20/15 10:44 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

everything that is absorbed inside the black hole is pulverised. information is destroyed. it is transformed into some sort of radiation emitted by the black hole itself.


black holes are huge cosmic trashcans.


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Re: A crazy new theory solves 40-year-old mystery about what happens inside of a black hole [Re: Vsnares.Zappa]
    #21831997 - 06/20/15 10:57 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Last I checked they still have yet to actually find any Hawkings Radiation so it is still just a theory they output radiation.

How can the prove it "pulverizes" stuff? Anyways for all we know black holes effect time as well as light and the moment one gets caught in it time stops :shrug:


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Re: A crazy new theory solves 40-year-old mystery about what happens inside of a black hole [Re: musiclover420]
    #21832127 - 06/20/15 11:47 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I'm interested into how time stops. I can't really comprehend that.


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Re: A crazy new theory solves 40-year-old mystery about what happens inside of a black hole [Re: luvdemboomers]
    #21832154 - 06/20/15 11:56 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

because the laws of physics would break down and time is only an emergent property.

the same way time in different places on earth moves at different speeds because of the change in gravity as we orbit the sun.
look up time dilation for more info.

and it aint just a quack theory its einstiens theory of relativity!!


as time can be slowed up and speeded up by altering just the force of gravity this implys that time could stop altogether in a black hole where gravity has no dominion.

time emerges out of the effect of gravity from position and motion in space time

time only ticks at the same rate if you are stationary with equal gravity.
any motion effects time.
and motion effects time as motion overcomes /fights /limits the effects of gravity.

if we move at different speeds our time tick differently.
only tiny amounts but different none the less.
but amplified over distance it can make a big difference.

this is why if we sent you to space in a rocket and sent you in orbit at light speed for a year...
for you a year would have passed but when you get back everyone else would be alot older or already dead as time for them would have passed at a different rate!


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Re: A crazy new theory solves 40-year-old mystery about what happens inside of a black hole [Re: luvdemboomers]
    #21832195 - 06/20/15 12:13 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

rad article,

thanks for posting :thumbup:


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Re: A crazy new theory solves 40-year-old mystery about what happens inside of a black hole [Re: Mr.PhilCybin]
    #21832200 - 06/20/15 12:15 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

no matter = no time


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Re: A crazy new theory solves 40-year-old mystery about what happens inside of a black hole [Re: Vsnares.Zappa]
    #21832232 - 06/20/15 12:28 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

exactly!

no matter,
so no gravity from any matters mass = no warping of spacetime = time stands still= just space with nothing moving


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