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InvisibleShiithead
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Hawaii governor signs first-of-kind state smoking age bill
    #21830427 - 06/19/15 10:31 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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HONOLULU (AP) — Hawaii's governor has signed a bill to make his state the first to raise the legal smoking age to 21.

The measure aims to prevent adolescents from smoking, buying or possessing both traditional and electronic cigarettes. Gov. David Ige signed it into law Friday.

Dozens of local governments have similar bans, including Hawaii County and New York City.

"Raising the minimum age as part of our comprehensive tobacco control efforts will help reduce tobacco use among our youth and increase the likelihood that our keiki will grow up tobacco-free," said Ige, using the Hawaiian word for children.

In Hawaii, 86 percent of adult smokers began smoking before age 21, according to the governor's office.

"I think it's going to have a tremendous impact," said Jessica Yamauchi, executive director of the Coalition for a Tobacco-Free Hawaii. "By really limiting the access it will really help to curb the prevalence."

But opponents say it's unfair that a veteran returning from military service who risked his or her life serving the country could be prevented from lighting up.

"I can't stand cigarette smoking. It's disgusting," said Democratic Rep. Angus McKelvey, who voted against the bill. "But to tell somebody you can go and fight for your country and get killed but you can't have a cigarette, that's the thing. You can enter a contract. You're an emancipated adult in the eyes of the Constitution but you can't have a cigarette anymore."

Those caught breaking the rules would be fined $10 for the first offense, and later violations would lead to a $50 fine or mandatory community service.

The bill goes into effect on the first day of 2016. Until then, the state Department of Health will reach out to retailers and post signs to educate the public about the law.

According to the state Department of Heath, 5,600 kids in Hawaii try smoking every year. Meanwhile, 1,400 people die from tobacco use or exposure in Hawaii every year, according to the Campaign for Tobacco-Free Kids.

Ige signed another anti-smoking measure Friday to make Hawaii's state parks and beaches smoke-free.

"This allows us to put one more impediment to people smoking too much," Ige said.





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Re: Hawaii governor signs first-of-kind state smoking age bill [Re: Shiithead] * 3
    #21830542 - 06/19/15 11:04 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I don't smoke cigarettes.  I think its disgusting. But I also think that its arrogant as fuck to be able to tell anyone what the can or cannot do with their own body.

How in the hell is this acceptable?


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Re: Hawaii governor signs first-of-kind state smoking age bill [Re: wildernessjunkie] * 2
    #21830632 - 06/19/15 11:30 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: Hawaii governor signs first-of-kind state smoking age bill [Re: Jokeshopbeard] * 1
    #21830825 - 06/20/15 12:31 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

What difference does it make if someone starts buying cigarettes at 18 or 21? Kids will find a way to get cigarettes if they really want to smoke, it's not hard for them at all.


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Re: Hawaii governor signs first-of-kind state smoking age bill [Re: LSDaytripper]
    #21830864 - 06/20/15 12:41 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

FUCKING RETARDED. If a kid wants drugs, he will most likely be able to.


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Re: Hawaii governor signs first-of-kind state smoking age bill [Re: FreeTheSoul]
    #21830921 - 06/20/15 12:51 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I do agree with what they are trying to do but as you all of have said this won't change anything.

Maybe try putting more restrictions on smoking and tobacco itself not the users.

Or preferably use education to show people why they should not be smoking...

Maybe on the bright side more Hawaiians will start smoking weed instead of tobacco :shrug:


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Re: Hawaii governor signs first-of-kind state smoking age bill [Re: musiclover420] * 1
    #21831409 - 06/20/15 06:25 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I wouldn't mind if in twenty years cigarettes where illegal :shrug:

gonna go smoke one though, who's with me? :rofl2:


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Re: Hawaii governor signs first-of-kind state smoking age bill [Re: wildernessjunkie] * 1
    #21831467 - 06/20/15 06:54 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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wildernessjunkie said:
I don't smoke cigarettes.  I think its disgusting. But I also think that its arrogant as fuck to be able to tell anyone what the can or cannot do with their own body.

How in the hell is this acceptable?




it's acceptable because it's for society, if they want to do whatever to there body then leave the society but why should the society help support negative behaviors that negatively affect its prosperity? People take this developed world thing a little too lightly.


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Re: Hawaii governor signs first-of-kind state smoking age bill [Re: naykid] * 1
    #21831985 - 06/20/15 10:54 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Making cigarettes and weed and alcohol illegal to buy before 16 or such will only make them much more popular and cool.

Illegal is cool, that's why people love firecrackers too, hand grenades at newyears etc.

The inner child wants to play ;-)

So you can just keep banning, it will only make them resist further, and make the damage larger


Legal stuff makes people think twice, illegal makes people group together and say 'hey want a puff' then you're cool, one of us , else you're a loser you can't be in this group

btw I first began smoking at 26 , and quit after 2 years , it's addictive as hell, but it's people's own body, that major or whatever he is, is arrogant as fuck yes

When people are 18+ they should be able to decide for themselves, not just wait to 21 because some state fool says so.

Even if it is dangerous and gives cancer, many things do - fries and pizza everyday does too

I do agree that the state has some duty to try and keep people from using drugs and cigarettes if possible, as it damages public health (prevention via information and regulation)

That can be done in other ways than this, it's basically just the 21 years I'm diagreeing with, else it's fine

Lower it to 18 years, then it's fine, in my country people are adults at 18


The problem is always, should we have no rules (anarchy society), or rules to try to prevent harm to people, and an age where people can decide for themselves?

I definitely believe the latter is best, people are rarely aware of what is a wise choice when they are 16 , only a small minority are

But all is relative I suppose, we just need to do something when lots of people die of cancer etc. from state drugs each year, so a 18-21 year regulation seems "ok", but not more than that

I am against all smoking bans for adults though, that is idiotic, they're banning smoking everywhere in my country


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Re: Hawaii governor signs first-of-kind state smoking age bill [Re: lessismore]
    #21832002 - 06/20/15 11:00 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I wonder how the public would respond if nothing was illegal.


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Re: Hawaii governor signs first-of-kind state smoking age bill [Re: naykid]
    #21832016 - 06/20/15 11:03 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I don't think legal things make people think twice, since it's legal people assume generally that it's safe. if it's illegal theres danger to it. I don't think addictive substances should be legal until people are 21, it's a safer age to make those kind of decisions, which usually end up being life long.


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Re: Hawaii governor signs first-of-kind state smoking age bill [Re: naykid]
    #21832029 - 06/20/15 11:10 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Legal and known to cause cancer -> people think twice

Illegal and known to cause cancer -> people think twice


But whatever their mental state is, it forces them to not think

So all is relative, legal or illegal , in theory it doesn't matter

In practice it probably does - there are probably just about as much for legalization as against it

I can come up with as many pros as cons of each.

There's no perfect law, the law is above people, the law hurts people daily.
So the law needs to be totally justified, death to numerous young people or such - repeated cases, or scientific evidence totally backing up the law


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Re: Hawaii governor signs first-of-kind state smoking age bill [Re: naykid]
    #21832030 - 06/20/15 11:11 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

If people are interested in something they're more likely to resist the research saying it's bad anyway, and that should be their right. Prohibition doesn't work.


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Re: Hawaii governor signs first-of-kind state smoking age bill [Re: D.M.T]
    #21832192 - 06/20/15 12:11 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Here, You can join the military and go kill people.
But can't smoke, or drink. :tongue:


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Re: Hawaii governor signs first-of-kind state smoking age bill [Re: TNK]
    #21832722 - 06/20/15 03:06 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Here, You can join the military and go kill people.
But can't smoke, or drink. :tongue:



I've heard that on military bases 18 year olds can drink.:shrug:


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Re: Hawaii governor signs first-of-kind state smoking age bill [Re: LuSiD enthusiast]
    #21832736 - 06/20/15 03:11 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I have heard the same, the whole age thing just bothers me.

They should just make the "legal" age 21 or 18.

You can be charged as an adult at 18 but aren't legally allowed to make your own decisions about if you want to inhale smoke or drink certain liquids? Just doesn't make sense to me.


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Re: Hawaii governor signs first-of-kind state smoking age bill [Re: Shiithead]
    #21832863 - 06/20/15 03:51 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Amerikka.....the land of the free.

How that has become a JOKE in other civilized nations makes me so sad.


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Re: Hawaii governor signs first-of-kind state smoking age bill [Re: MacMerdin]
    #21833209 - 06/20/15 05:41 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I'm fine with it
16 year olds aren't rational enough to handle a ciggerette addiction and more often then not they get themselves into trouble
this will make being a 16 year old less douchey

they can raise the army age to 40 or 50..


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Re: Hawaii governor signs first-of-kind state smoking age bill [Re: Konyap]
    #21835476 - 06/21/15 04:31 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

All of you guys that are whining when you dont even live in hawaii lol so this law doesnt affect you so stop your crying. If you feel youre not free here in this country please reply and tell us all which country is so much more free than america! and then move there and stop your bitching. oh you cant smoke ciggs and get cancer unless youre 21 and over omg its such a horrible law. Adults dont want there stupid ass kids getting addicted to ciggs at a young age you morons. I think acid and shrooms should be 18 or older but not ciggs or alcohol, they should stay 21 not that people younger cant still get the stuff but it does make it harder.


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Re: Hawaii governor signs first-of-kind state smoking age bill [Re: yourabitch] * 1
    #21835620 - 06/21/15 06:31 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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yourabitch said:
Adults dont want there stupid ass kids getting addicted to ciggs at a young age you morons.


Sorry, I find that hard to believe when these idiots chain smoke and drink around their kids, don't care what the age limit and shit is.


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Re: Hawaii governor signs first-of-kind state smoking age bill [Re: yourabitch]
    #21836828 - 06/21/15 12:44 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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yourabitch said:
All of you guys that are whining when you dont even live in hawaii lol so this law doesnt affect you so stop your crying. If you feel youre not free here in this country please reply and tell us all which country is so much more free than america! and then move there and stop your bitching. oh you cant smoke ciggs and get cancer unless youre 21 and over omg its such a horrible law. Adults dont want there stupid ass kids getting addicted to ciggs at a young age you morons. I think acid and shrooms should be 18 or older but not ciggs or alcohol, they should stay 21 not that people younger cant still get the stuff but it does make it harder.




Canada, Ireland, New Zealand.
All places id rather live than this disgusting, corrupt, greedy piece of shit we call a government here.
Nice job making a account to call people on here morons, anyone who thinks something like this could actually change anything about the age at which kids start smoking is a moron. I bet 80 percent of the kids that start to smoke are between 12-16, how the fuck would this help that?


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Re: Hawaii governor signs first-of-kind state smoking age bill [Re: yourabitch]
    #21837139 - 06/21/15 01:59 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

If we are so free then why do we have the most prisoners per capita?  Even more tha North Korea. 

Says alot about a nation that's prides itself on freedom don't you think?


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Re: Hawaii governor signs first-of-kind state smoking age bill [Re: MacMerdin]
    #21837294 - 06/21/15 02:28 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

We live in an idocracy
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Re: Hawaii governor signs first-of-kind state smoking age bill [Re: MacMerdin]
    #21838138 - 06/21/15 05:44 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

and where did you get those numbers from lol, your moms ass? please tell us all why you still live in america then???? because you still live in your moms basement haha.


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Re: Hawaii governor signs first-of-kind state smoking age bill [Re: Konyap]
    #21838144 - 06/21/15 05:45 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

if you honestly think north korea is more free then america than you must be retarded!


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Re: Hawaii governor signs first-of-kind state smoking age bill [Re: yourabitch]
    #21841409 - 06/22/15 11:44 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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if you honestly think north korea is more free then america than you must be retarded!





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Re: Hawaii governor signs first-of-kind state smoking age bill [Re: yourabitch]
    #21841500 - 06/22/15 12:13 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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if you honestly think north korea is more free then america than you must be retarded!



UN policy, which is mostly USA, destroyed cultures/religions and took control of these countries for the most part when information wasn't readily available to the public. Also pretty sure he talked about the prison population, mostly non-violent drug offenses. You also should learn to spell and use the proper words. :ganja:


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Re: Hawaii governor signs first-of-kind state smoking age bill [Re: misterogerz]
    #21841635 - 06/22/15 01:07 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah and they shrink monkey brains with their brain pills lol


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Re: Hawaii governor signs first-of-kind state smoking age bill [Re: wildernessjunkie]
    #21841754 - 06/22/15 01:56 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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wildernessjunkie said:
I don't smoke cigarettes.  I think its disgusting. But I also think that its arrogant as fuck to be able to tell anyone what the can or cannot do with their own body.

How in the hell is this acceptable?





Also I found this pretty stupid.

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In Hawaii, 86 percent of adult smokers began smoking before age 21, according to the governor's office.




Yeah whoever made that statement from the government office is a dumbass, the legal smoking age is 18.  So yeah people will start smoking at 18.
This is fucked up and stupid, if you can fight for your country and die you should be able to whatever the fuck you want.  18 is fine for pretty much anything, you don't have to but you have to have the right to.  I also think the legal weed smoking age should be 18 and not 21 in legal states.


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Re: Hawaii governor signs first-of-kind state smoking age bill [Re: mastercultivator]
    #21841802 - 06/22/15 02:12 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah, but getting fucked up and dying for your country are extremes.
Neither is appropriate
Do you seriously think highschool kids should be anywhere near ciggerettes during school hours?

I guess what I'm trying to say is 9teen?


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Re: Hawaii governor signs first-of-kind state smoking age bill [Re: Konyap]
    #21843890 - 06/22/15 10:48 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

At the risk of catching a lot of shit... I agree with this. In general, 18 year olds have their heads up their asses... I know I pretty much did. Additionally nicotine is one of the sneakiest, most subtle, most worthless, and at the same time powerful addictions out there. And don't come back and say that they are just trying to control us and blah blah conspiracy bs... As someone else pointed out there is a societal cost to these things and we need some amount of regulation. I promise we do not want crack being sold to just anybody down at the local kwiki-mart. Also keep in mind that this will hurt big tobacco, which everyone seems to forget about when they say increase cigarette taxes, and imo, phillip-morris is scarier than big brother. However perhaps I'm biased because I have spent many years learning about the government, societal needs and economic policy.


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Re: Hawaii governor signs first-of-kind state smoking age bill [Re: taterdb]
    #21843938 - 06/22/15 11:00 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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taterdb said:
At the risk of catching a lot of shit... I agree with this. In general, 18 year olds have their heads up their asses... I know I pretty much did. Additionally nicotine is one of the sneakiest, most subtle, most worthless, and at the same time powerful addictions out there. And don't come back and say that they are just trying to control us and blah blah conspiracy bs... As someone else pointed out there is a societal cost to these things and we need some amount of regulation. I promise we do not want crack being sold to just anybody down at the local kwiki-mart. Also keep in mind that this will hurt big tobacco, which everyone seems to forget about when they say increase cigarette taxes, and imo, phillip-morris is scarier than big brother. However perhaps I'm biased because I have spent many years learning about the government, societal needs and economic policy.



If anything i see it helpimg big tobacco. Tell the 18 year olds they can't smoke so what do they do? Give it just one try, before its illegal. You can fill im the dots from there.


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Re: Hawaii governor signs first-of-kind state smoking age bill [Re: taterdb]
    #21844662 - 06/23/15 04:10 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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taterdb said:
At the risk of catching a lot of shit... I agree with this. In general, 18 year olds have their heads up their asses... I know I pretty much did. Additionally nicotine is one of the sneakiest, most subtle, most worthless, and at the same time powerful addictions out there. And don't come back and say that they are just trying to control us and blah blah conspiracy bs... As someone else pointed out there is a societal cost to these things and we need some amount of regulation. I promise we do not want crack being sold to just anybody down at the local kwiki-mart. Also keep in mind that this will hurt big tobacco, which everyone seems to forget about when they say increase cigarette taxes, and imo, phillip-morris is scarier than big brother. However perhaps I'm biased because I have spent many years learning about the government, societal needs and economic policy.




Society has an interest in:

1. preventing young people from using cigs and drugs via information/education
2. getting people out of addiction and doing a lot for this because it often becomes a lifelong problem and risk them getting outside society/with no job etc.
3. secure freedom and safety for the majority


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Re: Hawaii governor signs first-of-kind state smoking age bill [Re: lessismore]
    #21844932 - 06/23/15 06:54 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Living here in Hawaii, I know its not going to change anything. Almost every day walking around kids probably as young as 13 or so ask me for a smoke. (I dont smoke, and even if i did i wouldnt supply them with it) If kids want to smoke they are going to smoke regardless of age, I know plenty of kids on the mainland who started smoking young cause parents, cousins, brothers, etc would buy it for them. It's no different here than anywhere else. Is this bill a good idea, probably not cause as someone else stated making things illegal to you are older just makes them more appealing. Like drinking when your younger (you know that beer/alcohol tasted terrible but you werent supposed to be doing it and that made it that much more worth it)


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Re: Hawaii governor signs first-of-kind state smoking age bill [Re: ryanriot]
    #21844964 - 06/23/15 07:08 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Sorry for the double post but this is really what Hawaii needs to be focusing on. The homeless population here is out of control, the cost of living is through the roof and they just sweep it under the rug.



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Re: Hawaii governor signs first-of-kind state smoking age bill [Re: ryanriot]
    #21845044 - 06/23/15 07:50 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Regulations really don't help a thing no, I get that too here young people come up to me and ask for a smoke or lighter etc.

They're like 12-14 all of them lol

But it says a lot when people start smoking so early, that the state has failed, they didn't look like scum or outcasts etc. but like normal healthy teenagers who would get good grades etc in school


Regulations blind us from the real problems of society
The real problems are helping our neighbor, securing no people on the street (backup systems), help to people in poor life situations (kids and no work, loss of home etc.)

The state should help people not control people


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