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PTSD TBI combat veteran, its time to think outside the box!
    #21830367 - 06/19/15 10:15 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Hello shroomery, this is my first of many posts. I am, as the title states, a combat veteran with chronic untreatable PTSD and a moderate TBI.

A little background for you. I was in the army infantry 1/506th air assault infantry, CURRAHEE! Anyways, i was an 11n4 aka sniper, airborne and air assault certified and all around bad ass at the time. I was stationed in Korea when the 2ND INF Division was depilyed to iraq. I was in the Al Ambar province from june 04 through August 05. I took part in the assault on Fallujah and dealt with the 1st ever iraqi elections. I was in humvees directly targeted by IEDs 5 times. Nov 14th 2004, around 3am, my platoon gets ambused so we (weapons squad) mount up during our rack time and head out. Traveling 60mph in an uparmored humvee a tank appears in the road, we hit it and thats all i remember.

I was out for 30-45 minutes, my head had smashed into the bulletproof glass windsheild and when i came to i was lost, half the truck was gone, and i mean gone, stilk behind the tank 200 ft away. I spare the horrid details but nobody in that truck was fit for duty after, 1, my squad leader, did not make it.

Fast forward past years of big pharma drugs and new, worse, symptoms to include grand mal seizures, i gave up on the conspiracy that is western medicine. I stopped all meds and treated my symptoms with herbs, medicinal mushroom tinctures, minerals, whatever natural things i felt i could trust. I changed my diet, became vegeterian. I only eat simple, gmo, organic food, usally raw if possible.

In all my physical disabilities have become more manageable, cannabis being the proven med, i can get by without a lot of natural meds but no pot = out of control seizures and joint inflamation. The real issue is, after a decade and huge life style changes im still at a loss with the PTSD. Rigor (sweats and chills) so bad i cant get a good nights rest. Dreams of lost brothers and horrif events. I seem to connect with anger easier then any other emotion but keep it together. Im pretty emotionless for the most part. Dont getme wrong, i love my life, i just do not or can not connect with people at all. I cant be around anyone other then my family. I hate fireworks, they give me anxiety.

I have done lots of reading on psilocybin and ptsd and im going to test weekly micro doses of around .5 grams. Id like to log it here when i start aka when my PE is ready, which ill be starting a grow log for once the first brf jars colonize and my LCs are ready.

If anyone has any experiance with micro dosing for PTSD please let me know. I have a high natural tollerance, i eat 7 grams dried every time and have only had class 3 trip once or twice almost all were 2.


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Re: PTSD TBI combat veteran, its time to think outside the box! [Re: lbot1983]
    #21830556 - 06/19/15 11:09 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

my thoughts would be along the lines of think about brain chemistry. . .

w/ out going into details, there are a few toxins that accumulate /

during sleep, the brain de-toxes. . . learning that meant a lot to me;

when i learned it my next thought was - well, spend the day in such a way that chemistry's all good :sun:


never been thru that but i've been thru some stuff;


my very first thought when i saw this was mari-jjjjjjjane. . heh, wanted to mention the healing effects of it (considered a sacred and healing herb in many cultures),

saw afterwords you already partake of it.


anyway - for what it's worth, just some thoughts. . i've spent my entire life focusing on several topics - health, life, basically. .

some of the best things are very, very simple.  feel what energy is there, what kind brings you closer to your spirit, or is healing, and also holistic medicine practices (you mention some of that), can be very good. . when I was a kid, I took aikido from my uncle, and that was a good starting point.


oh! man.  was just gonna say - hug ten times a day, or a few times. . is so good;

and - cats.

a while back i learned their purr helps improve bone density, as well as promoting healing, and several other good things. . that fact is very valuable, i think :sun:

though i know i didn't mention shrooms, and that was primarily your query, still

my main focus was going to be on mari-j anyway. :sun:

as that's the one psych that i do consider to be totally healing.

'keeps your heart functioning sound' :sun:

it's interesting too that how we partake of it makes a difference. . . if done so reverently, with the intention of healing and peace, it's a much more beautiful and satisfying thing, than if done without these.
:earth:

all the best to you on your journey.

so - yeah, i guess i would say the main thing focus on healing energy.
:sun: :earth:


may you find all the healing and peace that you deserve - and i do believe we all deserve peacefulness and good health :smile:


if you can spend time in nature?  that has always been the most rejuvenating / healing experience for me.


sending you lots of good vibes. 


Peace and light :sun:


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Re: PTSD TBI combat veteran, its time to think outside the box! [Re: lbot1983]
    #21831357 - 06/20/15 05:34 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Have you seen the MAPS studies on MDMA therapy for PTSD? Apparently it's extremely effective. I would recommend checking it out. Something like 85% of participants were cured of PTSD in just 1-5 sessions of MDMA coupled with intense psychotherapy, compared with the test group, who got placebos, where I think only something like 20% of them were cured in the same time frame.


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Re: PTSD TBI combat veteran, its time to think outside the box! [Re: once in a lifetime]
    #21831825 - 06/20/15 09:46 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Where to begin, first thanks for the reply. I live in the middle of nowhere, on a 5 acre farm with lots and lots of animals, cats included. I spend all my time with my wife, 3 small boys, and my animals. I have a very very positive mind set. Im all about love and acceptance.

I have a very good understanding of all things mental and how our mind set is our best friend or worst enemy. I am an empath which is why i think i have had such trouble with PTSD. No only did i see these horrif things, and feel them like anyone else, but also felt them through the enemy themselves, their family and friends. It made me go numb, its was the only mechanism that would allow me to carry on.

I have controled a lot of the PTSD issues with meditation, mma, and healthy living (i was 240lbs when i got out and not muscle anymore). I ate like shit and sat around all day. Now I am 158 lbs.

Cannabis is a miracle in my eyes. It treats such a broad spectrum of ailments from MS, MD, HIV and AIDS, Cancer, seizures, pain, inflamation, ect... I have a very good understanding of cannabinoids and the system in place inside all of us to use it.

I have though about MDMA, still a toss up as i prefer natural, man always has a way of tampering with chemicals for profit. I am pretty set on natural meds i myself can make from start to finish.


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Re: PTSD TBI combat veteran, its time to think outside the box! [Re: lbot1983]
    #21832267 - 06/20/15 12:40 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

no problem, brother. :sun:

that's what i'm here for.

one practice that is very nice is looking at things in the far distance - trees on the horizon for instance; it is so good because the eye muscles relax to see far away, and so it helps the whole being relax; i have found this is one of the most beneficial things. .

the other that came to me is a sort of physiological 'button,' if you will. . my father taught this to me as a boy, sort of a short-cut to meditation - i have found, not to replace, but as an additional aid. . it's the practice of gently rolling the eyes up towards the back of the head. . .  sends waves of relaxation throughout the body.  to me it's simply a part of a whole, and a very useful one. :sun:

those two were the main ones that came to mind - also that's wonderful that you do; i live way out in the country as well, on some acres, it's my favorite place to be.

what you mention about natural and herbal reminds me of something. . recently i came across a phrase,

'herbal is natural, natural is vital; vital is, vital is, vital is normal' (I think the repetition said for emphasis ) by sister carol in a song. . . it's simple, but to me so profound! and cannabis - the science is catching up and revealing so much, it's really amazing. . . heals, or helps heal, so very very many things. . . part of it i think may be that it simply gets us in touch with our own, natural healing. . . another one of carol's is 'a clear mind produces a healthy body, people listen to me.' :sun:

one idea that i have kept with me - is the point how children heal so quickly, and a great part of it is simply their total faith in their body's healing. . . if they scratch their knee, they never consider it a bother - they know so intuitively well, it will be well. . .


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Re: PTSD TBI combat veteran, its time to think outside the box! [Re: once in a lifetime]
    #21833119 - 06/20/15 05:15 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I shall try the rolling of the eyes, i look to the distance often already, i like to stare off while i ponder anything, it brings calm to my mind. Thanks for the wonderful insight. I appreciate any and all advise on relaxation and meditation.


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Re: PTSD TBI combat veteran, its time to think outside the box! [Re: lbot1983]
    #21833601 - 06/20/15 07:25 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

You're welcome :sun:

Honestly it's very great to see this thread, and to meet you. . I've been focusing on these things for mostly all my life; it's seemed the most important. . . and life grows on it seems to confirm this.  i've thought from the beginning - most important thing is to get my health natural, so i investigated the various ways of reaching - first good health, but then after that, deeper good health. . . not so much by following modern thoughts but more assimilating what i could from the best of various cultures around the globe i was able to get info from. . .

am very happy, because each day brings something new. . .

and everything is possible, and nothing is stopping us from reaching peace :smile:


oh and all those cultures, definitely seem to pretty much say the goal of life - ubiquitously - is to seek peace, and then share it.

peace :sun:

and again, very good to meet you.


. . .

i guess, i really just wanted to say that; positive energy - i can usually tell, and it's really great to see.

have a great weekend :sun:



i've always been quite empathic as well, and as the years progressed, and upon reflection, eventually realized it would be accurate to say i'm an empath, so that as well. . . and for me - 4 years of the most intense anxiety - in any public places, cool w/ my family. .

so much pressure that i was unable to get words out at all, tunnel vision in convenience store; gulping, flinching, and overcoming it all on my own, w/ not even a xanax, although very moderate pot use occasionally. . made me a stronger person in a lot of ways. . .

but school was like that; before i had been mostly carefree;

anyway working through it all. . . and i also have / had similar non-attachment. . . i feel things, but to a fairly significant extent, have almost always been in control of my feelings. . . from a very early age i felt - we create our thoughts, we create our feelings. . it seemed among the most simple things. .

to view all the mistakes in society and common behavior and so forth - or simply to notice, when it happens, and make a slight note - and much conscious decision to be who i wish; and many other things. . .


so the only natural thing is to understand non-attachment. . it's not that there's no feeling, there are all the same feelings, but none of it is reactive. . .

reactive nature is. . well one sage put it - see how a man with a burning coal on his hand jumps / moves quickly  to get it off?  In the same way, a man who realizes he is bound by nature will seek liberation.

much like that :smile:


i rambled on. . . i guess, i didn't want to leave it just hanging w/ out sharing any of my own info. .

although, this is quite the first time i've mentioned any of this on here, in all likelihood the only time.

anyhow, just wanted to share a bit and say hi.


oh! today i had a great day; did some work outside and then the cool breeze was just. . . wow.  among the best.  and, 'tho it's a little hotter today, it was still very cool. :smile:


oh and as long as i'm on the topic - sharing - also dreams is one of my main topics of self-enquiry. . . i've been blessed by good dreams most my life - and, appreciating them, and wishing to have them always, it's been one of my main goals to understand.  for me, they're all about feeling, and almost always directly connected to a recent event or experience.

okay i'll stop there as i've already rambled so much. . .


meditation and relaxation are like the 2 best things almost. . .


being totally free, or where you want to be, w/ your thoughts is a great joy.

and brevity the soul of wit, etc - the less words we use and so forth, generally the more our words are coming from peace, and quietude. .

ok, ok, that's all i had for now :earth:

:pipesmoke:


wonderful health, peace, and joy to you dear friend :sun::earth:



(normally i will be much more brevity-type - also, conserving energy and so forth, almost best idea in life - didn't even get to my main idea that preservation of one's heart, body and mind is among the main things - not about attaining so much as about preserving what's there)

okay, talk to you.



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Re: PTSD TBI combat veteran, its time to think outside the box! [Re: once in a lifetime]
    #21834600 - 06/20/15 11:22 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I must say we have a very similar mindset. I have had amazing emotional intelligence all my life. I have always understood that i am the only person is in control of my emotions. We all make a choice to feel what we feel, weather we realize it or not. If you tend to be a pessimistic person then you invite negativity into your life, being optimistic is not nearly as bad but still invites let down and high expectations from everything. We should live in the moment, the glass is never empty, empty is a lie, what we see as empty is full of life and matter. Being a realist in search of knowledge and inner peace is what we should strive for. Have no expectations of others or life in general.

Life is a journey that does not end, we never truely die, we just progress, in a search for knowledge, the truth, satori!


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Re: PTSD TBI combat veteran, its time to think outside the box! [Re: lbot1983]
    #21835324 - 06/21/15 03:00 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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I have though about MDMA, still a toss up as i prefer natural, man always has a way of tampering with chemicals for profit. I am pretty set on natural meds i myself can make from start to finish.




Isn't everything natural? Everything originally comes from the Earth. I understand an enjoyment and appreciation for nature, but I've never really understood people's aversion to "un-natural" things in principle. If you want, you could learn to make MDMA yourself, from start to finish, if it would make you feel more comfortable. I don't know what profit has to do with this... Rick Doblin (the head of MDMA studies for PTSD in MAPS) is doing everything in his power to disallow any patenting of the chemical, he is not making any money from the probable legalization of MDMA in 2021. MDMA with intense psychotherapy seems to be maybe the single best known way to treat PTSD... at least that I've found.

If you decide not to take that path, however, then I at least recommend trying ayahuasca (if it is natural enough for you). There is lots of anecdotal evidence and personal testimonies that ayahuasca is great for treating PTSD.


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Re: PTSD TBI combat veteran, its time to think outside the box! [Re: secondorder]
    #21835558 - 06/21/15 05:45 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I think you should give MDMA a try. It's not like you'd use it every day, more like a few times a year.

The natural/synthetic distinction between drugs doesn't make any sense, especially not from a scientific point of view. Every compound has to be evaluated on it's own, I'm afraid it's not as easy as most people would like it to be.


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Re: PTSD TBI combat veteran, its time to think outside the box! [Re: lbot1983]
    #21835806 - 06/21/15 08:20 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

'If one wants to walk the way of the Buddhas, seek nothing, grasp nothing, expect nothing.' - Dogen

and of course, 'Better is one word that brings peace than thousands which do not.' :smile:


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Re: PTSD TBI combat veteran, its time to think outside the box! [Re: secondorder]
    #21836133 - 06/21/15 10:10 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Isn't everything natural? Everything originally comes from the Earth. I understand an enjoyment and appreciation for nature, but I've never really understood people's aversion to "un-natural" things in principle. If you want, you could learn to make MDMA yourself, from start to finish, if it would make you feel more comfortable. I don't know what profit has to do with this... Rick Doblin (the head of MDMA studies for PTSD in MAPS) is doing everything in his power to disallow any patenting of the chemical, he is not making any money from the probable legalization of MDMA in 2021. MDMA with intense psychotherapy seems to be maybe the single best known way to treat PTSD... at least that I've found.

If you decide not to take that path, however, then I at least recommend trying ayahuasca (if it is natural enough for you). There is lots of anecdotal evidence and personal testimonies that ayahuasca is great for treating PTSD.




Honestly no everything is not natural. I could sit here and list millions of unnatural things...marinol aka sythetic thc, meth, crack, almost all western meds. If its natural it cannot be pantent. If a plant is patent then it is GMO and as far from natural as you can get. If it was not created by nature it is not natural, it really is that simple. The VA has and is doing studies on psilocybin and PTSD and they are very promissing. Why has nobdy really accepted this and still trying to get me to use synthetic chemicals. I will not use synthetics, its not who i am or will. I have had some of the most horrific pain since my disability and only use cannabis and arnica Montana, no pain meds.

The use of any synthetic things only causes damage to your pineal gland, this does account for MDMA. All the synthetic and artifical shit you consume helps calcify the pineal gland. I for one want to open my thrid eye one day and i will, by being natural.

If you choose to use sythetics then that is your choice but please refrain from asking me to try. I will not do it.


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Re: PTSD TBI combat veteran, its time to think outside the box! [Re: lbot1983]
    #21837161 - 06/21/15 02:03 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

You can draw a distinction between synthetic and natural chemical compounds, yes.

Don't turn your back to a whole world of mechanisms and effects that synthetic compounds offer, the few causing your pain are very likely to be among them.

It's just that you need to be a lot more careful and wary than with naturals, because there are less natural substances which are unquestionable bad for human health than synthetic ones.

What I can tell you from a personal, experience related point of view is that I suffered from a horrible, crippling accident back in 2007, which has ultimatively flipped my life upside down.
I have felt bitter and resentful towards the world and other people, who had more luck than me. I felt very much different from them and somewhat unable to connect to normal people.
I have used MDMA with my friends, and within reasonable boundaries as a therapeutic aid to talk about what I almost never mention and I experienced so much appreciation, support and love.
I can say that MDMA has helped me a lot on my way to a peaceful mind, I became far more extroverted because I realized that there's nothing to be ashamed of - a typical feeling MDMA can give you, which will last a lot longer than those few hours.
I feel like it has catalyzed my inner change by showing me, who I want to be again. Outgoing, funny and trusting.

Feel free to ask my anything, just don't make that stupid natural=good and synthetic=bad difference, it's just wrong.

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Re: PTSD TBI combat veteran, its time to think outside the box! [Re: Murzelpfrumpft]
    #21837840 - 06/21/15 04:36 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Murzelpfrumpft said:
You can draw a distinction between synthetic and natural chemical compounds, yes.

Don't turn your back to a whole world of mechanisms and effects that synthetic compounds offer, the few causing your pain are very likely to be among them.

It's just that you need to be a lot more careful and wary than with naturals, because there are less natural substances which are unquestionable bad for human health than synthetic ones.

What I can tell you from a personal, experience related point of view is that I suffered from a horrible, crippling accident back in 2007, which has ultimatively flipped my life upside down.
I have felt bitter and resentful towards the world and other people, who had more luck than me. I felt very much different from them and somewhat unable to connect to normal people.
I have used MDMA with my friends, and within reasonable boundaries as a therapeutic aid to talk about what I almost never mention and I experienced so much appreciation, support and love.
I can say that MDMA has helped me a lot on my way to a peaceful mind, I became far more extroverted because I realized that there's nothing to be ashamed of - a typical feeling MDMA can give you, which will last a lot longer than those few hours.
I feel like it has catalyzed my inner change by showing me, who I want to be again. Outgoing, funny and trusting.

Feel free to ask my anything, just don't make that stupid natural=good and synthetic=bad difference, it's just wrong.

I wish you the best of luck, I know those feels




I did not say synthetic was bad, i was saying i dont put a lot of trust in big phara or street pharmacists. I just dont trust what i cant track from start to finish, there are to many varibles and most people/corparations are profit driven and give 2 shits about your actual well being. Im sorry if my way does not match yours, but these are my beliefs. If you make a synthetic compound there is a natural counterpart somewhere. Take DMT for example, very similar ways of healing or rewiring a the mind as too MDMA. But i know how to get DMT naturally, from plants. Id be intrested in a safrole extract to work with but not mdma.


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Re: PTSD TBI combat veteran, its time to think outside the box! [Re: lbot1983]
    #21838003 - 06/21/15 05:17 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Playing around with safrole is not a good idea, it's causing cancer, but it may be digested to MDA or other active MD-phenylethylamines.

I wouldn't say that DMT and MDMA have anything in common. They are completely different in almost every aspect I can think of.

It's not about the properties as a pharmaceutical, it's about what the gained insights from your trip change in your long-term behavior.

You could always perform an easy acid/base & acetone clean-up on your supply, you can test it for identity via reagents, just to let you know, you could even vacuum distill for 100% assured identity and purity.

You don't need to be sorry for your opinion not matching my opinion, it doesn't have to.
Opinions can't be wrong, however statements can be and "if you make a synthetic compound, there is a natural counterpart somewhere" is one of them - it's just not true, why should that be so?

By the way, no one is posting here to put you right. Your answers are slighty suggesting that you feel that way.
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Re: PTSD TBI combat veteran, its time to think outside the box! [Re: Murzelpfrumpft]
    #21839177 - 06/21/15 08:48 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

The reason i say that synthetics have a natural counter part is based on some insights from jacque fresco. Basically somwhere nature has already done. Its pretty vauge, but at the same time nature makes the rules, anything we can do is allowed by nature, if it wasnt then it woukdnt work.

I dont want to give off any bad vibes here, all positive here, i do enjoy a good conversation from different points of view, never should what i say be taken as advice to anyone else, just information about me.

Now maybe i will look into some mdma testing and purifying, that may ease my mind a bit. Thanks for the info it will be used.


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Re: PTSD TBI combat veteran, its time to think outside the box! [Re: lbot1983]
    #21839392 - 06/21/15 09:29 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I'm still not quite understanding where you draw the line of natural vs unnatural. Do you consider honey natural? What about bananas?

Honey is made by animals (bees). We are animals. So if honey is natural, then wouldn't anything that we make also be natural.

Bananas have been genetically modified by humans over time to something that looks completely different than what they originally looked like.

Everything we have, everything we eat, every medicine we use etc. all came from the Earth. It is natural in its original form, and then apparently it becomes unnatural at some point..? At what point does something become no longer natural?


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Re: PTSD TBI combat veteran, its time to think outside the box! [Re: lbot1983]
    #21840042 - 06/21/15 11:56 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Have you tried any therapy based programs? Medications never worked to help me with my PTSD really. Prolonged Exposure helped A LOT but it was one of the hardest things I've ever done. I had no choice as I was damn near close to suicide at least two times and that was one of my last resorts after two months of intensive therapy inpatient also.

It's natural for anger to be one of the easiest emotions to go to since it's a lot easier to deal with then all the others. It can keep you cut off (isolating your safe like PTSD likes) and a majority of other things. Avoidance is the name of the game. I used to not be able to walk around my own home without irrational fear that I was always in danger. I can completely relate to you and I feel for you I really do.

It is NOT untreatable though. You've just yet to find something that works but believe me there is stuff out there that works. It took me many many many years and many different things before I've come to where I'm at now. Don't get discouraged.

Also I've taken plenty of different psychedelics since having been diagnosed and never had an issue. Set and setting as always is important and just don't let yourself talk yourself into a panic.


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Re: PTSD TBI combat veteran, its time to think outside the box! [Re: secondorder]
    #21840912 - 06/22/15 08:13 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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I'm still not quite understanding where you draw the line of natural vs unnatural. Do you consider honey natural? What about bananas?

Honey is made by animals (bees). We are animals. So if honey is natural, then wouldn't anything that we make also be natural.

Bananas have been genetically modified by humans over time to something that looks completely different than what they originally looked like.

Everything we have, everything we eat, every medicine we use etc. all came from the Earth. It is natural in its original form, and then apparently it becomes unnatural at some point..? At what point does something become no longer natural?




Why is natural so hard to understand. Honey is created by bees with NATURAL mechanics, it is not seperated by machines and added chemicals. What you speak about bananas is not genetic modification, it is hybridization, there is a HUGE differance. Bananas were not altered in a lab to be what we eat today, they were crossed with pollen from other types of bananas around the world.

Bees dont go to lab and add chemicals, they use the acid in their pollen stomachs to make honey, that is natural. If you cant find it, exactly as it is in nature the. It is not natural.

existing in or caused by nature; not made or caused by humans. This is the definition of natural, pretty simple really. You can alter your preception of the word all you want but natural is a very easy thing to understand.


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Re: PTSD TBI combat veteran, its time to think outside the box! [Re: lbot1983]
    #21840928 - 06/22/15 08:26 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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not made or caused by humans




That's what he wanted to hear, I guess.

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Re: PTSD TBI combat veteran, its time to think outside the box! [Re: LordSenate]
    #21840947 - 06/22/15 08:41 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Have you tried any therapy based programs? Medications never worked to help me with my PTSD really. Prolonged Exposure helped A LOT but it was one of the hardest things I've ever done. I had no choice as I was damn near close to suicide at least two times and that was one of my last resorts after two months of intensive therapy inpatient also.

It's natural for anger to be one of the easiest emotions to go to since it's a lot easier to deal with then all the others. It can keep you cut off (isolating your safe like PTSD likes) and a majority of other things. Avoidance is the name of the game. I used to not be able to walk around my own home without irrational fear that I was always in danger. I can completely relate to you and I feel for you I really do.

It is NOT untreatable though. You've just yet to find something that works but believe me there is stuff out there that works. It took me many many many years and many different things before I've come to where I'm at now. Don't get discouraged.

Also I've taken plenty of different psychedelics since having been diagnosed and never had an issue. Set and setting as always is important and just don't let yourself talk yourself into a panic.




I have had ptsd for 10 year, i have been seeing mental health professional at the VA the whole time. Went through extensive exposure therapy, hypno therapy, relaxation therapy, ect...

I am well versed is hallucinagenics. I have used peyote and mushrooms on many occasions and i have never had a bad trip. I usally take 5-7 grams and have never had more then a class 3 trip. I dont want to try and take large doses, i want to do weekly micro doses of half a gram once a week.

I read a study somewhere done by the va and micro does of psilocybin mushrooms had amazing results in PTSD treatment. The reason MDMA is so looked into is it already has a patent, it can easily be marketed for hige profits. They cat do that with shrooms so the testing is rarely done. Once big pharma sees the usesfulness of psilocybin they will infact synthesize it, patent under a new name and profit from it just like maranol. I know psilocybin is just as effective has mdma.

Why would a profit machine like big pharma want to endorse a fungus that cant be patented there for they cant make money off it. They always wait for 1 of 2 things, a sythetic or a monsantos gmo version. Monsantos is allowed to patent their plants because the are not natural, they were created in a lab by splicing dna. Kinda like playing god in a way. I think GMOS are one of the worst things we have done. There has was no research done as to the effects of gmo agriculture and look what it has done to birds and bees. Its so wrong obummer had to sign a protection act for monsantos so they could not be legally responsible for the damages their gmos have caused and will countinue to cause.

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Re: PTSD TBI combat veteran, its time to think outside the box! [Re: lbot1983]
    #21840954 - 06/22/15 08:46 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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I know psilocybin is just as effective has mdma.





Don't forget that this is just about effect of therapy. MDMA is a completely different animal in all regards, it's not psychedelic and works on a whole other level.
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    #21841028 - 06/22/15 09:24 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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I know psilocybin is just as effective has mdma.





Don't forget that this is just about effect of therapy. MDMA is a completely different animal in all regards, it's not psychedelic and works on a whole other level.
Try carefully, you will see.




I am writing this post on psilocybin and PTSD, when i say psilocybin is just as effective as MDMA, its from a PTSD treatment standpoint. Not effects it has on the body, i know they are 2 totally different things, i am in no way a rookie. I have used most psychedelics a few times in my life. I have NEVER had a bad trip, not to say it cant happen. Ive just always been responsible, start small until i know what i can handle, understand their are variances in potency and such.

All this post is asking and testing is the relationship of PSILOCYBIN MUSHROOMS and PTSD. No offence to anyone but that is it in a nut shell, words from those with experiances in psilocybin ptsd treatment, and a chance for others to learn from my journey that will begin in august.

Maybe one day ill look deeper into MDMA, but for now im set on psilocybin. Please respect that. I am not being rude or pissy, not saying anyone thinks i am either. I just want everyone to understand what this post is about.


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Re: PTSD TBI combat veteran, its time to think outside the box! [Re: lbot1983]
    #21841401 - 06/22/15 11:40 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I think physician assisted therapy with MDMA would be much more beneficial than with mushrooms but I could very well be wrong. I'm fairly sure there are no professional research programs that assist in that way.. which I personally feel is the only way to really go about doing it unless you can find a really good professional. Otherwise it's a huge risk. I do know there are research studies going on with MDMA however and they are looking for veterans, not sure if they are since finished but last I knew (end of last year) there were some going on. I had high blood pressure at the time so was unable to do it.

I would like to see pilsoybin used and studied more but I doubt it's going to happen anytime soon in comparison to the possibility of MDMA being used more often..


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Re: PTSD TBI combat veteran, its time to think outside the box! [Re: LordSenate]
    #21841433 - 06/22/15 11:52 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah that's fine.

What I can tell is that mushrooms have not significantly helped me get better. They will make you realize some things you weren't aware of, but more in the sense of a mirror, based on introspection and with a very limited social effect.

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Re: PTSD TBI combat veteran, its time to think outside the box! [Re: Murzelpfrumpft]
    #21841458 - 06/22/15 12:02 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

A support nework is by far the most important thing. That goes for therapists/psychiatrists/doctors as well. Definitely crucial and can make or break someones recovery. I had to file a complaint against a Doctor at the VA that didn't fill my medications (A few days after they KNEW I had just had to call the suicide hotline twice), he didn't fill them and only drug tested me because I "looked high"... go figure I wasn't even getting any addictive medications or anything that really mattered. But the indifference and audacity of him to call me yelling because I reported him.. haha, he shut up when I snapped on him but unfortunately there are many people like that out there. Takes a while to weed through the bullshit.


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Re: PTSD TBI combat veteran, its time to think outside the box! [Re: LordSenate]
    #21842603 - 06/22/15 06:06 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Agreed, LordSenate - that is exactly right.

Principle of selectivity. . it's really the most valuable thing in the world.

Like, in art and literature for instance, if you restrict yourself to the highest .1 % of what's available - and, most of these are also quite accessible, and simple in their approach - you get the best ideas, and learn the most wonderful things. . a few years ago I described it like being bathed in the light of their genius. . it's quite worthwhile really.

And you'll see similarities, universal concepts, such as we create our reality, we are responsible for ourselves, self-reliance, and quite a few dozen others. . .

Same thing is naturally true of music, musicians and the rest. .

Then of course - one of those high ideals is non-attachment, that is - non-craving and non-aversion. . . to be at peace whether good or bad circumstances arise -

and is also one of the fastest path-ways to transforming any adverse circumstances.

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Re: PTSD TBI combat veteran, its time to think outside the box! [Re: once in a lifetime]
    #21843019 - 06/22/15 07:39 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I just ended up staying off medications for the most part since they never did any lasting good besides a light medication for nightmares. Now I just  take hydroxyzine which is only to make me a little sleepy. I do have a Doctor that will work with me now if need be and am setup with care. I'll be switching to a much bigger hospital soon since this one is a sattelite clinic and they are wayyy over booked


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Re: PTSD TBI combat veteran, its time to think outside the box! [Re: LordSenate]
    #21845260 - 06/23/15 09:32 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Oh, gotcha :sun: :smile:

When I woke up this morning, for whatever reason, 1983: A merman I should turn to be was in my head - just the words. . . it's a song by Hendrix. . one of the most beautiful.

Joyfulness in that hero was high, high :smile:

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    #21845272 - 06/23/15 09:35 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Also if anyone has issues with nightmares Prazosin (blood pressure medication + PTSD) has worked wonders for me. It used to be a BP med but doesnt work well in that regard however they have found recently it helps relieve nightmares and light other symptoms for PTSD. Not sure how the mechanism works but it does for me and it has no side effects that I've seen


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Re: PTSD TBI combat veteran, its time to think outside the box! [Re: LordSenate]
    #21845807 - 06/23/15 12:17 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

You guys and gals are awesome. I have an amazing primary care doc at the va, he respects my way of life and works with me well. Like stated, the va is a pain. I have gone through several doctors in search of ones that listen. I have been treated like a drug addict seeking pills from the va on several occasions. Ran through the ringer to try and prove i was.

There was one time my doc came to the er, i was having terrible hernia pain. The er docs just ignored me and yelled at me to piss, which i couldnt because of how dehydrated i was. My wife called the doc and he was in the er in minutes, he went off on them, made them do a ct scan with coontrast and my hernia had an ulcer.

Basically, it is tough to find good help in the va but it is possible. Most VA mental health docs are not even trained in PTSD treatment and drown you in meds to treat symptoms not the issue at hand.

I have night terrors and rigors, seems sleep is when my PTSD is at its worst which makes sleep tough. Most studies on mushrooms and ptsd were done with a few doses of around 3 grams. The lasting effects of innerpeace remained for days even weeks after use. The one study on micro dosing i read stated the psilocybin glow never went away. Sleep improved, dreams became peaceful.

Since talking to you all and looking deeper into mdma, it would seem that mdma is great for all stages of PTSD while psilocybin is advised for later stages when the patient has a degree of PTSD control.

My support group and music are a huge part of my life. Lots and lots of loving music like rebelution, state radio, the expendables and b foundation to name a few. Lots of classical in there as well. I use to listen to metal years ago but realized it pumped me up to much and i would get angry easier.

Honestly the best thing for stablizing my ptsd was to be close to nature, spend time with animals and away from the chaos that is city life.


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Re: PTSD TBI combat veteran, its time to think outside the box! [Re: lbot1983]
    #21845886 - 06/23/15 12:44 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

You're right man. Nature, being outside listening to birds in my backyard and the wind chimes is about the best relief I ever can find. Smoke a fatty and relax the day away. Doesn't always work but it certainly helps. :thumbup:


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    #21846341 - 06/23/15 02:54 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

in Kanak culture, it is called 'the real life.' :sun:

you are too - lbot; you have evoked my respect at every step :sun:, and appreciation for your quality, to use another Toshism, hehe.

I am personally 100% on the natural view of things, never felt the slightest inclination whatsoever for Ecstasy. . I am not dogging it, to each his/her own, but for me mari-j covers it :smile: especially when each year, more research comes out showing how healing it is, in so many aspects and ways. . .

wind chimes are truly the best. . yesterday i was there with 'em there was something very special about it. . i am sure hearing dharma talks about mindfulness bell is part of it.

i've explored how to have good dreams for a while.. lately i've been working on what i suppose would be best called 'dreams of light'

ya, i learned a lot about the world, how self-faith heals... being at peace, spending time in nature, it's the best. . and 10 hugs a day of course :smile: i learned that in elementary school... not a rule but a guideline :smile: just helps to know, holding hands, that sort of thing, very strong in the health department :sun:

just wanted to say again - am glad to know you are in such an awesome place, OP, and also, the info you shared is very good info.

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    #21846435 - 06/23/15 03:24 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Wind chimes are amazing, i know it has to do with the differnet frequencies and how each plays on our chakras. If you havent already done so, check out chakra sound healing and meditation. People often pay good money to lay in the sun and have a trained professional rub crystal drums. I say trained because a professional can talk to you and treat chakra blockedges with specific frequencies.


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    #21846762 - 06/23/15 05:00 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

ah, very nice.  i have only explored the mindfulness bell so far, a few years ago i went into dharma pretty good; Thay, or Thich Nhat Hanh, spoke about it.

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    #21851523 - 06/24/15 05:14 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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ah, very nice.  i have only explored the mindfulness bell so far, a few years ago i went into dharma pretty good; Thay, or Thich Nhat Hanh, spoke about it.

thank you.



Ahh dharma, how i love thee. You impress me more and more, maybe one day with such like souls we shall meet. Soul mates are many, not lovers or humans in general, lovers are and the yin to your yang or visa versa is your twin flame. I say this because with such like souls, a mated soul is very possible.


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    #21851543 - 06/24/15 05:18 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

'we count 0 to 1, then back to 0.  it is a circle.' - peter tosh.

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    #21889844 - 07/02/15 08:16 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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    #21896951 - 07/04/15 02:31 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Hope everyone has a good 4th, be mindful of combat vets. Fireworks are not our friends.


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Spawning my first tub today, i got some b+, PES amazonian, GT, and treasure coast, ohh and likely a free unkown, MS. Gonna do 2 4oz brf cakes of each then a ton of WBS jars. I want to spawn the cakes as cakes to test my marthas bottom self to see if it does well for cakes.


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Re: PTSD TBI combat veteran, its time to think outside the box! [Re: lbot1983]
    #21917303 - 07/08/15 10:22 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Hello shroomery, this is my first of many posts. I am, as the title states, a combat veteran with chronic untreatable PTSD and a moderate TBI.

A little background for you. I was in the army infantry 1/506th air assault infantry, CURRAHEE! Anyways, i was an 11n4 aka sniper, airborne and air assault certified and all around bad ass at the time. I was stationed in Korea when the 2ND INF Division was depilyed to iraq. I was in the Al Ambar province from june 04 through August 05. I took part in the assault on Fallujah and dealt with the 1st ever iraqi elections. I was in humvees directly targeted by IEDs 5 times. Nov 14th 2004, around 3am, my platoon gets ambused so we (weapons squad) mount up during our rack time and head out. Traveling 60mph in an uparmored humvee a tank appears in the road, we hit it and thats all i remember.

I was out for 30-45 minutes, my head had smashed into the bulletproof glass windsheild and when i came to i was lost, half the truck was gone, and i mean gone, stilk behind the tank 200 ft away. I spare the horrid details but nobody in that truck was fit for duty after, 1, my squad leader, did not make it.

Fast forward past years of big pharma drugs and new, worse, symptoms to include grand mal seizures, i gave up on the conspiracy that is western medicine. I stopped all meds and treated my symptoms with herbs, medicinal mushroom tinctures, minerals, whatever natural things i felt i could trust. I changed my diet, became vegeterian. I only eat simple, gmo, organic food, usally raw if possible.

In all my physical disabilities have become more manageable, cannabis being the proven med, i can get by without a lot of natural meds but no pot = out of control seizures and joint inflamation. The real issue is, after a decade and huge life style changes im still at a loss with the PTSD. Rigor (sweats and chills) so bad i cant get a good nights rest. Dreams of lost brothers and horrif events. I seem to connect with anger easier then any other emotion but keep it together. Im pretty emotionless for the most part. Dont getme wrong, i love my life, i just do not or can not connect with people at all. I cant be around anyone other then my family. I hate fireworks, they give me anxiety.

I have done lots of reading on psilocybin and ptsd and im going to test weekly micro doses of around .5 grams. Id like to log it here when i start aka when my PE is ready, which ill be starting a grow log for once the first brf jars colonize and my LCs are ready.

If anyone has any experiance with micro dosing for PTSD please let me know. I have a high natural tollerance, i eat 7 grams dried every time and have only had class 3 trip once or twice almost all were 2.




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Re: PTSD TBI combat veteran, its time to think outside the box! [Re: Almond Flour]
    #21918324 - 07/09/15 07:41 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Thanks for the support.


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Re: PTSD TBI combat veteran, its time to think outside the box! [Re: lbot1983]
    #21918331 - 07/09/15 07:45 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I have a bit of PTSD from a rather violent beating by the police.

Not as bad as you though. Only difference now is my teeth are getting fucked up from clenching. You are doing all the right things to tackle this naturally, wish I had better advice but I dont think I can give you a better recommendation as I was never a soldier or saw combat with buddies dying


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Re: PTSD TBI combat veteran, its time to think outside the box! [Re: Almond Flour]
    #21919529 - 07/09/15 11:36 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I have a bit of PTSD from a rather violent beating by the police.

Not as bad as you though. Only difference now is my teeth are getting fucked up from clenching. You are doing all the right things to tackle this naturally, wish I had better advice but I dont think I can give you a better recommendation as I was never a soldier or saw combat with buddies dying




Sorry you had to go through something like that. Id say advise for PTSD is near none, its all about support. Giving advise to people that you can not relate to is not recommended. Its like saying i understand when you have no idea. Your support is much greater then advise so no need to be sorry for not having any. Hopefully soon ill have experiance with microdosing cubes for ptsd treatment and can help others like you.


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Re: PTSD TBI combat veteran, its time to think outside the box! [Re: lbot1983]
    #21980939 - 07/22/15 04:36 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Incase any where interested, my grow log... http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21851656
Should have pins soon, 3 tubs of pe in the martha.


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Re: PTSD TBI combat veteran, its time to think outside the box! [Re: lbot1983]
    #22018851 - 07/30/15 09:00 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

It is nearing that time. Pins are forming on 2 of 3 tubs. One is uncased and has 1 good pin and 4 mutants. My first dose is planned for the 2nd week of August.


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Re: PTSD TBI combat veteran, its time to think outside the box! [Re: lbot1983]
    #22026822 - 08/01/15 01:30 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

nice to hear that there are still some strong people out there

i'm a "sensitive" person


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Re: PTSD TBI combat veteran, its time to think outside the box! [Re: Konyap]
    #22027239 - 08/01/15 07:46 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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nice to hear that there are still some strong people out there

i'm a "sensitive" person



You can be strong and sensitive, why do u think u are not strong.


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Re: PTSD TBI combat veteran, its time to think outside the box! [Re: lbot1983]
    #22027419 - 08/01/15 09:05 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

yes, sensitive means you take in more of the world around you, dear friend. 

once self-mastery is attained, this is solely an advantage.

take care and be well, you will succeed in all you do.


about support - Yes!  this is so beautiful and so true to see you say friend;

applies in so many cases - opens the universe up, to reveal its secrets.


just to be an open heart, to make oneself available, and share good energy,


this works miracles. . it really does; this peace.



peace and power and blessings and all good to you, and all your loved ones.



99.99.99% of the time, all you have to do is share love;


when you care about someone, you don't care about who is right, you simply want them to be happy, well, safe (always), nourished by whatever their heart wishes them to be,



etc., etc., etc. take careeeeee :smile: :smile: :smile: be well, be happy :smile:


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