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Re: PTSD TBI combat veteran, its time to think outside the box! [Re: LordSenate]
    #21840947 - 06/22/15 08:41 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Have you tried any therapy based programs? Medications never worked to help me with my PTSD really. Prolonged Exposure helped A LOT but it was one of the hardest things I've ever done. I had no choice as I was damn near close to suicide at least two times and that was one of my last resorts after two months of intensive therapy inpatient also.

It's natural for anger to be one of the easiest emotions to go to since it's a lot easier to deal with then all the others. It can keep you cut off (isolating your safe like PTSD likes) and a majority of other things. Avoidance is the name of the game. I used to not be able to walk around my own home without irrational fear that I was always in danger. I can completely relate to you and I feel for you I really do.

It is NOT untreatable though. You've just yet to find something that works but believe me there is stuff out there that works. It took me many many many years and many different things before I've come to where I'm at now. Don't get discouraged.

Also I've taken plenty of different psychedelics since having been diagnosed and never had an issue. Set and setting as always is important and just don't let yourself talk yourself into a panic.




I have had ptsd for 10 year, i have been seeing mental health professional at the VA the whole time. Went through extensive exposure therapy, hypno therapy, relaxation therapy, ect...

I am well versed is hallucinagenics. I have used peyote and mushrooms on many occasions and i have never had a bad trip. I usally take 5-7 grams and have never had more then a class 3 trip. I dont want to try and take large doses, i want to do weekly micro doses of half a gram once a week.

I read a study somewhere done by the va and micro does of psilocybin mushrooms had amazing results in PTSD treatment. The reason MDMA is so looked into is it already has a patent, it can easily be marketed for hige profits. They cat do that with shrooms so the testing is rarely done. Once big pharma sees the usesfulness of psilocybin they will infact synthesize it, patent under a new name and profit from it just like maranol. I know psilocybin is just as effective has mdma.

Why would a profit machine like big pharma want to endorse a fungus that cant be patented there for they cant make money off it. They always wait for 1 of 2 things, a sythetic or a monsantos gmo version. Monsantos is allowed to patent their plants because the are not natural, they were created in a lab by splicing dna. Kinda like playing god in a way. I think GMOS are one of the worst things we have done. There has was no research done as to the effects of gmo agriculture and look what it has done to birds and bees. Its so wrong obummer had to sign a protection act for monsantos so they could not be legally responsible for the damages their gmos have caused and will countinue to cause.

That really came out of nowhere haha. I just cant stand monsantos and when something puts them in my head i have to vent about the evil that is monsantos.


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Re: PTSD TBI combat veteran, its time to think outside the box! [Re: lbot1983]
    #21840954 - 06/22/15 08:46 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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I know psilocybin is just as effective has mdma.





Don't forget that this is just about effect of therapy. MDMA is a completely different animal in all regards, it's not psychedelic and works on a whole other level.
Try carefully, you will see.


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Re: PTSD TBI combat veteran, its time to think outside the box! [Re: Murzelpfrumpft] * 1
    #21841028 - 06/22/15 09:24 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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I know psilocybin is just as effective has mdma.





Don't forget that this is just about effect of therapy. MDMA is a completely different animal in all regards, it's not psychedelic and works on a whole other level.
Try carefully, you will see.




I am writing this post on psilocybin and PTSD, when i say psilocybin is just as effective as MDMA, its from a PTSD treatment standpoint. Not effects it has on the body, i know they are 2 totally different things, i am in no way a rookie. I have used most psychedelics a few times in my life. I have NEVER had a bad trip, not to say it cant happen. Ive just always been responsible, start small until i know what i can handle, understand their are variances in potency and such.

All this post is asking and testing is the relationship of PSILOCYBIN MUSHROOMS and PTSD. No offence to anyone but that is it in a nut shell, words from those with experiances in psilocybin ptsd treatment, and a chance for others to learn from my journey that will begin in august.

Maybe one day ill look deeper into MDMA, but for now im set on psilocybin. Please respect that. I am not being rude or pissy, not saying anyone thinks i am either. I just want everyone to understand what this post is about.


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Re: PTSD TBI combat veteran, its time to think outside the box! [Re: lbot1983]
    #21841401 - 06/22/15 11:40 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I think physician assisted therapy with MDMA would be much more beneficial than with mushrooms but I could very well be wrong. I'm fairly sure there are no professional research programs that assist in that way.. which I personally feel is the only way to really go about doing it unless you can find a really good professional. Otherwise it's a huge risk. I do know there are research studies going on with MDMA however and they are looking for veterans, not sure if they are since finished but last I knew (end of last year) there were some going on. I had high blood pressure at the time so was unable to do it.

I would like to see pilsoybin used and studied more but I doubt it's going to happen anytime soon in comparison to the possibility of MDMA being used more often..


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Re: PTSD TBI combat veteran, its time to think outside the box! [Re: LordSenate]
    #21841433 - 06/22/15 11:52 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah that's fine.

What I can tell is that mushrooms have not significantly helped me get better. They will make you realize some things you weren't aware of, but more in the sense of a mirror, based on introspection and with a very limited social effect.

To me it's people who matter, it's my relationships that make me value my life.


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Re: PTSD TBI combat veteran, its time to think outside the box! [Re: Murzelpfrumpft]
    #21841458 - 06/22/15 12:02 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

A support nework is by far the most important thing. That goes for therapists/psychiatrists/doctors as well. Definitely crucial and can make or break someones recovery. I had to file a complaint against a Doctor at the VA that didn't fill my medications (A few days after they KNEW I had just had to call the suicide hotline twice), he didn't fill them and only drug tested me because I "looked high"... go figure I wasn't even getting any addictive medications or anything that really mattered. But the indifference and audacity of him to call me yelling because I reported him.. haha, he shut up when I snapped on him but unfortunately there are many people like that out there. Takes a while to weed through the bullshit.


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Re: PTSD TBI combat veteran, its time to think outside the box! [Re: LordSenate]
    #21842603 - 06/22/15 06:06 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Agreed, LordSenate - that is exactly right.

Principle of selectivity. . it's really the most valuable thing in the world.

Like, in art and literature for instance, if you restrict yourself to the highest .1 % of what's available - and, most of these are also quite accessible, and simple in their approach - you get the best ideas, and learn the most wonderful things. . a few years ago I described it like being bathed in the light of their genius. . it's quite worthwhile really.

And you'll see similarities, universal concepts, such as we create our reality, we are responsible for ourselves, self-reliance, and quite a few dozen others. . .

Same thing is naturally true of music, musicians and the rest. .

Then of course - one of those high ideals is non-attachment, that is - non-craving and non-aversion. . . to be at peace whether good or bad circumstances arise -

and is also one of the fastest path-ways to transforming any adverse circumstances.

Did you get that one sorted out?  I  mean, get a new doctor?


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Re: PTSD TBI combat veteran, its time to think outside the box! [Re: once in a lifetime]
    #21843019 - 06/22/15 07:39 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I just ended up staying off medications for the most part since they never did any lasting good besides a light medication for nightmares. Now I just  take hydroxyzine which is only to make me a little sleepy. I do have a Doctor that will work with me now if need be and am setup with care. I'll be switching to a much bigger hospital soon since this one is a sattelite clinic and they are wayyy over booked


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Re: PTSD TBI combat veteran, its time to think outside the box! [Re: LordSenate]
    #21845260 - 06/23/15 09:32 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Oh, gotcha :sun: :smile:

When I woke up this morning, for whatever reason, 1983: A merman I should turn to be was in my head - just the words. . . it's a song by Hendrix. . one of the most beautiful.

Joyfulness in that hero was high, high :smile:

Peter Tosh is another. . . 'I make the good better, and I make the better, best.'


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Re: PTSD TBI combat veteran, its time to think outside the box! [Re: once in a lifetime] * 1
    #21845272 - 06/23/15 09:35 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Also if anyone has issues with nightmares Prazosin (blood pressure medication + PTSD) has worked wonders for me. It used to be a BP med but doesnt work well in that regard however they have found recently it helps relieve nightmares and light other symptoms for PTSD. Not sure how the mechanism works but it does for me and it has no side effects that I've seen


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Re: PTSD TBI combat veteran, its time to think outside the box! [Re: LordSenate]
    #21845807 - 06/23/15 12:17 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

You guys and gals are awesome. I have an amazing primary care doc at the va, he respects my way of life and works with me well. Like stated, the va is a pain. I have gone through several doctors in search of ones that listen. I have been treated like a drug addict seeking pills from the va on several occasions. Ran through the ringer to try and prove i was.

There was one time my doc came to the er, i was having terrible hernia pain. The er docs just ignored me and yelled at me to piss, which i couldnt because of how dehydrated i was. My wife called the doc and he was in the er in minutes, he went off on them, made them do a ct scan with coontrast and my hernia had an ulcer.

Basically, it is tough to find good help in the va but it is possible. Most VA mental health docs are not even trained in PTSD treatment and drown you in meds to treat symptoms not the issue at hand.

I have night terrors and rigors, seems sleep is when my PTSD is at its worst which makes sleep tough. Most studies on mushrooms and ptsd were done with a few doses of around 3 grams. The lasting effects of innerpeace remained for days even weeks after use. The one study on micro dosing i read stated the psilocybin glow never went away. Sleep improved, dreams became peaceful.

Since talking to you all and looking deeper into mdma, it would seem that mdma is great for all stages of PTSD while psilocybin is advised for later stages when the patient has a degree of PTSD control.

My support group and music are a huge part of my life. Lots and lots of loving music like rebelution, state radio, the expendables and b foundation to name a few. Lots of classical in there as well. I use to listen to metal years ago but realized it pumped me up to much and i would get angry easier.

Honestly the best thing for stablizing my ptsd was to be close to nature, spend time with animals and away from the chaos that is city life.


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Re: PTSD TBI combat veteran, its time to think outside the box! [Re: lbot1983]
    #21845886 - 06/23/15 12:44 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

You're right man. Nature, being outside listening to birds in my backyard and the wind chimes is about the best relief I ever can find. Smoke a fatty and relax the day away. Doesn't always work but it certainly helps. :thumbup:


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Re: PTSD TBI combat veteran, its time to think outside the box! [Re: LordSenate]
    #21846341 - 06/23/15 02:54 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

in Kanak culture, it is called 'the real life.' :sun:

you are too - lbot; you have evoked my respect at every step :sun:, and appreciation for your quality, to use another Toshism, hehe.

I am personally 100% on the natural view of things, never felt the slightest inclination whatsoever for Ecstasy. . I am not dogging it, to each his/her own, but for me mari-j covers it :smile: especially when each year, more research comes out showing how healing it is, in so many aspects and ways. . .

wind chimes are truly the best. . yesterday i was there with 'em there was something very special about it. . i am sure hearing dharma talks about mindfulness bell is part of it.

i've explored how to have good dreams for a while.. lately i've been working on what i suppose would be best called 'dreams of light'

ya, i learned a lot about the world, how self-faith heals... being at peace, spending time in nature, it's the best. . and 10 hugs a day of course :smile: i learned that in elementary school... not a rule but a guideline :smile: just helps to know, holding hands, that sort of thing, very strong in the health department :sun:

just wanted to say again - am glad to know you are in such an awesome place, OP, and also, the info you shared is very good info.

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Re: PTSD TBI combat veteran, its time to think outside the box! [Re: once in a lifetime] * 1
    #21846435 - 06/23/15 03:24 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Wind chimes are amazing, i know it has to do with the differnet frequencies and how each plays on our chakras. If you havent already done so, check out chakra sound healing and meditation. People often pay good money to lay in the sun and have a trained professional rub crystal drums. I say trained because a professional can talk to you and treat chakra blockedges with specific frequencies.


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Re: PTSD TBI combat veteran, its time to think outside the box! [Re: lbot1983]
    #21846762 - 06/23/15 05:00 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

ah, very nice.  i have only explored the mindfulness bell so far, a few years ago i went into dharma pretty good; Thay, or Thich Nhat Hanh, spoke about it.

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Re: PTSD TBI combat veteran, its time to think outside the box! [Re: once in a lifetime]
    #21851523 - 06/24/15 05:14 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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ah, very nice.  i have only explored the mindfulness bell so far, a few years ago i went into dharma pretty good; Thay, or Thich Nhat Hanh, spoke about it.

thank you.



Ahh dharma, how i love thee. You impress me more and more, maybe one day with such like souls we shall meet. Soul mates are many, not lovers or humans in general, lovers are and the yin to your yang or visa versa is your twin flame. I say this because with such like souls, a mated soul is very possible.


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Re: PTSD TBI combat veteran, its time to think outside the box! [Re: lbot1983]
    #21851543 - 06/24/15 05:18 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

'we count 0 to 1, then back to 0.  it is a circle.' - peter tosh.

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Re: PTSD TBI combat veteran, its time to think outside the box! [Re: lbot1983]
    #21889844 - 07/02/15 08:16 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Jars are just aboit colonized now. Martha is ready for bulk trays. Less then 2 weeks till fruiting starts. Hope my test meds find their living space adiquet.



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Re: PTSD TBI combat veteran, its time to think outside the box! [Re: lbot1983]
    #21896951 - 07/04/15 02:31 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Hope everyone has a good 4th, be mindful of combat vets. Fireworks are not our friends.


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Re: PTSD TBI combat veteran, its time to think outside the box! [Re: lbot1983]
    #21914295 - 07/08/15 10:10 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Spawning my first tub today, i got some b+, PES amazonian, GT, and treasure coast, ohh and likely a free unkown, MS. Gonna do 2 4oz brf cakes of each then a ton of WBS jars. I want to spawn the cakes as cakes to test my marthas bottom self to see if it does well for cakes.


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