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PTSD TBI combat veteran, its time to think outside the box!
#21830367 - 06/19/15 10:15 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Hello shroomery, this is my first of many posts. I am, as the title states, a combat veteran with chronic untreatable PTSD and a moderate TBI.
A little background for you. I was in the army infantry 1/506th air assault infantry, CURRAHEE! Anyways, i was an 11n4 aka sniper, airborne and air assault certified and all around bad ass at the time. I was stationed in Korea when the 2ND INF Division was depilyed to iraq. I was in the Al Ambar province from june 04 through August 05. I took part in the assault on Fallujah and dealt with the 1st ever iraqi elections. I was in humvees directly targeted by IEDs 5 times. Nov 14th 2004, around 3am, my platoon gets ambused so we (weapons squad) mount up during our rack time and head out. Traveling 60mph in an uparmored humvee a tank appears in the road, we hit it and thats all i remember.
I was out for 30-45 minutes, my head had smashed into the bulletproof glass windsheild and when i came to i was lost, half the truck was gone, and i mean gone, stilk behind the tank 200 ft away. I spare the horrid details but nobody in that truck was fit for duty after, 1, my squad leader, did not make it.
Fast forward past years of big pharma drugs and new, worse, symptoms to include grand mal seizures, i gave up on the conspiracy that is western medicine. I stopped all meds and treated my symptoms with herbs, medicinal mushroom tinctures, minerals, whatever natural things i felt i could trust. I changed my diet, became vegeterian. I only eat simple, gmo, organic food, usally raw if possible.
In all my physical disabilities have become more manageable, cannabis being the proven med, i can get by without a lot of natural meds but no pot = out of control seizures and joint inflamation. The real issue is, after a decade and huge life style changes im still at a loss with the PTSD. Rigor (sweats and chills) so bad i cant get a good nights rest. Dreams of lost brothers and horrif events. I seem to connect with anger easier then any other emotion but keep it together. Im pretty emotionless for the most part. Dont getme wrong, i love my life, i just do not or can not connect with people at all. I cant be around anyone other then my family. I hate fireworks, they give me anxiety.
I have done lots of reading on psilocybin and ptsd and im going to test weekly micro doses of around .5 grams. Id like to log it here when i start aka when my PE is ready, which ill be starting a grow log for once the first brf jars colonize and my LCs are ready.
If anyone has any experiance with micro dosing for PTSD please let me know. I have a high natural tollerance, i eat 7 grams dried every time and have only had class 3 trip once or twice almost all were 2.
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Re: PTSD TBI combat veteran, its time to think outside the box! [Re: lbot1983]
#21830556 - 06/19/15 11:09 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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my thoughts would be along the lines of think about brain chemistry. . .
w/ out going into details, there are a few toxins that accumulate /
during sleep, the brain de-toxes. . . learning that meant a lot to me;
when i learned it my next thought was - well, spend the day in such a way that chemistry's all good 
never been thru that but i've been thru some stuff;
my very first thought when i saw this was mari-jjjjjjjane. . heh, wanted to mention the healing effects of it (considered a sacred and healing herb in many cultures),
saw afterwords you already partake of it.
anyway - for what it's worth, just some thoughts. . i've spent my entire life focusing on several topics - health, life, basically. .
some of the best things are very, very simple. feel what energy is there, what kind brings you closer to your spirit, or is healing, and also holistic medicine practices (you mention some of that), can be very good. . when I was a kid, I took aikido from my uncle, and that was a good starting point.
oh! man. was just gonna say - hug ten times a day, or a few times. . is so good;
and - cats.
a while back i learned their purr helps improve bone density, as well as promoting healing, and several other good things. . that fact is very valuable, i think 
though i know i didn't mention shrooms, and that was primarily your query, still
my main focus was going to be on mari-j anyway. 
as that's the one psych that i do consider to be totally healing.
'keeps your heart functioning sound' 
it's interesting too that how we partake of it makes a difference. . . if done so reverently, with the intention of healing and peace, it's a much more beautiful and satisfying thing, than if done without these.

all the best to you on your journey.
so - yeah, i guess i would say the main thing focus on healing energy.

may you find all the healing and peace that you deserve - and i do believe we all deserve peacefulness and good health 
if you can spend time in nature? that has always been the most rejuvenating / healing experience for me.
sending you lots of good vibes.
Peace and light
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Re: PTSD TBI combat veteran, its time to think outside the box! [Re: lbot1983]
#21831357 - 06/20/15 05:34 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Have you seen the MAPS studies on MDMA therapy for PTSD? Apparently it's extremely effective. I would recommend checking it out. Something like 85% of participants were cured of PTSD in just 1-5 sessions of MDMA coupled with intense psychotherapy, compared with the test group, who got placebos, where I think only something like 20% of them were cured in the same time frame.
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Re: PTSD TBI combat veteran, its time to think outside the box! [Re: once in a lifetime]
#21831825 - 06/20/15 09:46 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Where to begin, first thanks for the reply. I live in the middle of nowhere, on a 5 acre farm with lots and lots of animals, cats included. I spend all my time with my wife, 3 small boys, and my animals. I have a very very positive mind set. Im all about love and acceptance.
I have a very good understanding of all things mental and how our mind set is our best friend or worst enemy. I am an empath which is why i think i have had such trouble with PTSD. No only did i see these horrif things, and feel them like anyone else, but also felt them through the enemy themselves, their family and friends. It made me go numb, its was the only mechanism that would allow me to carry on.
I have controled a lot of the PTSD issues with meditation, mma, and healthy living (i was 240lbs when i got out and not muscle anymore). I ate like shit and sat around all day. Now I am 158 lbs.
Cannabis is a miracle in my eyes. It treats such a broad spectrum of ailments from MS, MD, HIV and AIDS, Cancer, seizures, pain, inflamation, ect... I have a very good understanding of cannabinoids and the system in place inside all of us to use it.
I have though about MDMA, still a toss up as i prefer natural, man always has a way of tampering with chemicals for profit. I am pretty set on natural meds i myself can make from start to finish.
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Re: PTSD TBI combat veteran, its time to think outside the box! [Re: lbot1983]
#21832267 - 06/20/15 12:40 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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no problem, brother. 
that's what i'm here for.
one practice that is very nice is looking at things in the far distance - trees on the horizon for instance; it is so good because the eye muscles relax to see far away, and so it helps the whole being relax; i have found this is one of the most beneficial things. .
the other that came to me is a sort of physiological 'button,' if you will. . my father taught this to me as a boy, sort of a short-cut to meditation - i have found, not to replace, but as an additional aid. . it's the practice of gently rolling the eyes up towards the back of the head. . . sends waves of relaxation throughout the body. to me it's simply a part of a whole, and a very useful one. 
those two were the main ones that came to mind - also that's wonderful that you do; i live way out in the country as well, on some acres, it's my favorite place to be.
what you mention about natural and herbal reminds me of something. . recently i came across a phrase,
'herbal is natural, natural is vital; vital is, vital is, vital is normal' (I think the repetition said for emphasis ) by sister carol in a song. . . it's simple, but to me so profound! and cannabis - the science is catching up and revealing so much, it's really amazing. . . heals, or helps heal, so very very many things. . . part of it i think may be that it simply gets us in touch with our own, natural healing. . . another one of carol's is 'a clear mind produces a healthy body, people listen to me.' 
one idea that i have kept with me - is the point how children heal so quickly, and a great part of it is simply their total faith in their body's healing. . . if they scratch their knee, they never consider it a bother - they know so intuitively well, it will be well. . .
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Re: PTSD TBI combat veteran, its time to think outside the box! [Re: once in a lifetime]
#21833119 - 06/20/15 05:15 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I shall try the rolling of the eyes, i look to the distance often already, i like to stare off while i ponder anything, it brings calm to my mind. Thanks for the wonderful insight. I appreciate any and all advise on relaxation and meditation.
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Re: PTSD TBI combat veteran, its time to think outside the box! [Re: lbot1983]
#21833601 - 06/20/15 07:25 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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You're welcome 
Honestly it's very great to see this thread, and to meet you. . I've been focusing on these things for mostly all my life; it's seemed the most important. . . and life grows on it seems to confirm this. i've thought from the beginning - most important thing is to get my health natural, so i investigated the various ways of reaching - first good health, but then after that, deeper good health. . . not so much by following modern thoughts but more assimilating what i could from the best of various cultures around the globe i was able to get info from. . .
am very happy, because each day brings something new. . .
and everything is possible, and nothing is stopping us from reaching peace 
oh and all those cultures, definitely seem to pretty much say the goal of life - ubiquitously - is to seek peace, and then share it.
peace 
and again, very good to meet you.
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i guess, i really just wanted to say that; positive energy - i can usually tell, and it's really great to see.
have a great weekend 
i've always been quite empathic as well, and as the years progressed, and upon reflection, eventually realized it would be accurate to say i'm an empath, so that as well. . . and for me - 4 years of the most intense anxiety - in any public places, cool w/ my family. .
so much pressure that i was unable to get words out at all, tunnel vision in convenience store; gulping, flinching, and overcoming it all on my own, w/ not even a xanax, although very moderate pot use occasionally. . made me a stronger person in a lot of ways. . .
but school was like that; before i had been mostly carefree;
anyway working through it all. . . and i also have / had similar non-attachment. . . i feel things, but to a fairly significant extent, have almost always been in control of my feelings. . . from a very early age i felt - we create our thoughts, we create our feelings. . it seemed among the most simple things. .
to view all the mistakes in society and common behavior and so forth - or simply to notice, when it happens, and make a slight note - and much conscious decision to be who i wish; and many other things. . .
so the only natural thing is to understand non-attachment. . it's not that there's no feeling, there are all the same feelings, but none of it is reactive. . .
reactive nature is. . well one sage put it - see how a man with a burning coal on his hand jumps / moves quickly to get it off? In the same way, a man who realizes he is bound by nature will seek liberation.
much like that 
i rambled on. . . i guess, i didn't want to leave it just hanging w/ out sharing any of my own info. .
although, this is quite the first time i've mentioned any of this on here, in all likelihood the only time.
anyhow, just wanted to share a bit and say hi.
oh! today i had a great day; did some work outside and then the cool breeze was just. . . wow. among the best. and, 'tho it's a little hotter today, it was still very cool. 
oh and as long as i'm on the topic - sharing - also dreams is one of my main topics of self-enquiry. . . i've been blessed by good dreams most my life - and, appreciating them, and wishing to have them always, it's been one of my main goals to understand. for me, they're all about feeling, and almost always directly connected to a recent event or experience.
okay i'll stop there as i've already rambled so much. . .
meditation and relaxation are like the 2 best things almost. . .
being totally free, or where you want to be, w/ your thoughts is a great joy.
and brevity the soul of wit, etc - the less words we use and so forth, generally the more our words are coming from peace, and quietude. .
ok, ok, that's all i had for now 

wonderful health, peace, and joy to you dear friend  
(normally i will be much more brevity-type - also, conserving energy and so forth, almost best idea in life - didn't even get to my main idea that preservation of one's heart, body and mind is among the main things - not about attaining so much as about preserving what's there)
okay, talk to you.
'Smile, breathe and go slowly'- Thich Nhat Hanh
'Adopt the pace of nature: her secret is patience.' - Emerson
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Re: PTSD TBI combat veteran, its time to think outside the box! [Re: once in a lifetime]
#21834600 - 06/20/15 11:22 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I must say we have a very similar mindset. I have had amazing emotional intelligence all my life. I have always understood that i am the only person is in control of my emotions. We all make a choice to feel what we feel, weather we realize it or not. If you tend to be a pessimistic person then you invite negativity into your life, being optimistic is not nearly as bad but still invites let down and high expectations from everything. We should live in the moment, the glass is never empty, empty is a lie, what we see as empty is full of life and matter. Being a realist in search of knowledge and inner peace is what we should strive for. Have no expectations of others or life in general.
Life is a journey that does not end, we never truely die, we just progress, in a search for knowledge, the truth, satori!
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Re: PTSD TBI combat veteran, its time to think outside the box! [Re: lbot1983]
#21835324 - 06/21/15 03:00 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I have though about MDMA, still a toss up as i prefer natural, man always has a way of tampering with chemicals for profit. I am pretty set on natural meds i myself can make from start to finish.
Isn't everything natural? Everything originally comes from the Earth. I understand an enjoyment and appreciation for nature, but I've never really understood people's aversion to "un-natural" things in principle. If you want, you could learn to make MDMA yourself, from start to finish, if it would make you feel more comfortable. I don't know what profit has to do with this... Rick Doblin (the head of MDMA studies for PTSD in MAPS) is doing everything in his power to disallow any patenting of the chemical, he is not making any money from the probable legalization of MDMA in 2021. MDMA with intense psychotherapy seems to be maybe the single best known way to treat PTSD... at least that I've found.
If you decide not to take that path, however, then I at least recommend trying ayahuasca (if it is natural enough for you). There is lots of anecdotal evidence and personal testimonies that ayahuasca is great for treating PTSD.
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Re: PTSD TBI combat veteran, its time to think outside the box! [Re: secondorder]
#21835558 - 06/21/15 05:45 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I think you should give MDMA a try. It's not like you'd use it every day, more like a few times a year.
The natural/synthetic distinction between drugs doesn't make any sense, especially not from a scientific point of view. Every compound has to be evaluated on it's own, I'm afraid it's not as easy as most people would like it to be.
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Re: PTSD TBI combat veteran, its time to think outside the box! [Re: lbot1983]
#21835806 - 06/21/15 08:20 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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'If one wants to walk the way of the Buddhas, seek nothing, grasp nothing, expect nothing.' - Dogen
and of course, 'Better is one word that brings peace than thousands which do not.' 
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Re: PTSD TBI combat veteran, its time to think outside the box! [Re: secondorder]
#21836133 - 06/21/15 10:10 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Isn't everything natural? Everything originally comes from the Earth. I understand an enjoyment and appreciation for nature, but I've never really understood people's aversion to "un-natural" things in principle. If you want, you could learn to make MDMA yourself, from start to finish, if it would make you feel more comfortable. I don't know what profit has to do with this... Rick Doblin (the head of MDMA studies for PTSD in MAPS) is doing everything in his power to disallow any patenting of the chemical, he is not making any money from the probable legalization of MDMA in 2021. MDMA with intense psychotherapy seems to be maybe the single best known way to treat PTSD... at least that I've found.
If you decide not to take that path, however, then I at least recommend trying ayahuasca (if it is natural enough for you). There is lots of anecdotal evidence and personal testimonies that ayahuasca is great for treating PTSD.
Honestly no everything is not natural. I could sit here and list millions of unnatural things...marinol aka sythetic thc, meth, crack, almost all western meds. If its natural it cannot be pantent. If a plant is patent then it is GMO and as far from natural as you can get. If it was not created by nature it is not natural, it really is that simple. The VA has and is doing studies on psilocybin and PTSD and they are very promissing. Why has nobdy really accepted this and still trying to get me to use synthetic chemicals. I will not use synthetics, its not who i am or will. I have had some of the most horrific pain since my disability and only use cannabis and arnica Montana, no pain meds.
The use of any synthetic things only causes damage to your pineal gland, this does account for MDMA. All the synthetic and artifical shit you consume helps calcify the pineal gland. I for one want to open my thrid eye one day and i will, by being natural.
If you choose to use sythetics then that is your choice but please refrain from asking me to try. I will not do it.
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Re: PTSD TBI combat veteran, its time to think outside the box! [Re: lbot1983]
#21837161 - 06/21/15 02:03 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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You can draw a distinction between synthetic and natural chemical compounds, yes.
Don't turn your back to a whole world of mechanisms and effects that synthetic compounds offer, the few causing your pain are very likely to be among them.
It's just that you need to be a lot more careful and wary than with naturals, because there are less natural substances which are unquestionable bad for human health than synthetic ones.
What I can tell you from a personal, experience related point of view is that I suffered from a horrible, crippling accident back in 2007, which has ultimatively flipped my life upside down. I have felt bitter and resentful towards the world and other people, who had more luck than me. I felt very much different from them and somewhat unable to connect to normal people. I have used MDMA with my friends, and within reasonable boundaries as a therapeutic aid to talk about what I almost never mention and I experienced so much appreciation, support and love. I can say that MDMA has helped me a lot on my way to a peaceful mind, I became far more extroverted because I realized that there's nothing to be ashamed of - a typical feeling MDMA can give you, which will last a lot longer than those few hours. I feel like it has catalyzed my inner change by showing me, who I want to be again. Outgoing, funny and trusting.
Feel free to ask my anything, just don't make that stupid natural=good and synthetic=bad difference, it's just wrong.
I wish you the best of luck, I know those feels
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Re: PTSD TBI combat veteran, its time to think outside the box! [Re: Murzelpfrumpft]
#21837840 - 06/21/15 04:36 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Murzelpfrumpft said: You can draw a distinction between synthetic and natural chemical compounds, yes.
Don't turn your back to a whole world of mechanisms and effects that synthetic compounds offer, the few causing your pain are very likely to be among them.
It's just that you need to be a lot more careful and wary than with naturals, because there are less natural substances which are unquestionable bad for human health than synthetic ones.
What I can tell you from a personal, experience related point of view is that I suffered from a horrible, crippling accident back in 2007, which has ultimatively flipped my life upside down. I have felt bitter and resentful towards the world and other people, who had more luck than me. I felt very much different from them and somewhat unable to connect to normal people. I have used MDMA with my friends, and within reasonable boundaries as a therapeutic aid to talk about what I almost never mention and I experienced so much appreciation, support and love. I can say that MDMA has helped me a lot on my way to a peaceful mind, I became far more extroverted because I realized that there's nothing to be ashamed of - a typical feeling MDMA can give you, which will last a lot longer than those few hours. I feel like it has catalyzed my inner change by showing me, who I want to be again. Outgoing, funny and trusting.
Feel free to ask my anything, just don't make that stupid natural=good and synthetic=bad difference, it's just wrong.
I wish you the best of luck, I know those feels
I did not say synthetic was bad, i was saying i dont put a lot of trust in big phara or street pharmacists. I just dont trust what i cant track from start to finish, there are to many varibles and most people/corparations are profit driven and give 2 shits about your actual well being. Im sorry if my way does not match yours, but these are my beliefs. If you make a synthetic compound there is a natural counterpart somewhere. Take DMT for example, very similar ways of healing or rewiring a the mind as too MDMA. But i know how to get DMT naturally, from plants. Id be intrested in a safrole extract to work with but not mdma.
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Re: PTSD TBI combat veteran, its time to think outside the box! [Re: lbot1983]
#21838003 - 06/21/15 05:17 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Playing around with safrole is not a good idea, it's causing cancer, but it may be digested to MDA or other active MD-phenylethylamines.
I wouldn't say that DMT and MDMA have anything in common. They are completely different in almost every aspect I can think of.
It's not about the properties as a pharmaceutical, it's about what the gained insights from your trip change in your long-term behavior.
You could always perform an easy acid/base & acetone clean-up on your supply, you can test it for identity via reagents, just to let you know, you could even vacuum distill for 100% assured identity and purity.
You don't need to be sorry for your opinion not matching my opinion, it doesn't have to. Opinions can't be wrong, however statements can be and "if you make a synthetic compound, there is a natural counterpart somewhere" is one of them - it's just not true, why should that be so?
By the way, no one is posting here to put you right. Your answers are slighty suggesting that you feel that way. Criticism is a gift to everyone who receives it, especially if it's as mild as here.
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Re: PTSD TBI combat veteran, its time to think outside the box! [Re: Murzelpfrumpft]
#21839177 - 06/21/15 08:48 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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The reason i say that synthetics have a natural counter part is based on some insights from jacque fresco. Basically somwhere nature has already done. Its pretty vauge, but at the same time nature makes the rules, anything we can do is allowed by nature, if it wasnt then it woukdnt work.
I dont want to give off any bad vibes here, all positive here, i do enjoy a good conversation from different points of view, never should what i say be taken as advice to anyone else, just information about me.
Now maybe i will look into some mdma testing and purifying, that may ease my mind a bit. Thanks for the info it will be used.
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Re: PTSD TBI combat veteran, its time to think outside the box! [Re: lbot1983]
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I'm still not quite understanding where you draw the line of natural vs unnatural. Do you consider honey natural? What about bananas?
Honey is made by animals (bees). We are animals. So if honey is natural, then wouldn't anything that we make also be natural.
Bananas have been genetically modified by humans over time to something that looks completely different than what they originally looked like.
Everything we have, everything we eat, every medicine we use etc. all came from the Earth. It is natural in its original form, and then apparently it becomes unnatural at some point..? At what point does something become no longer natural?
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Re: PTSD TBI combat veteran, its time to think outside the box! [Re: lbot1983]
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Have you tried any therapy based programs? Medications never worked to help me with my PTSD really. Prolonged Exposure helped A LOT but it was one of the hardest things I've ever done. I had no choice as I was damn near close to suicide at least two times and that was one of my last resorts after two months of intensive therapy inpatient also.
It's natural for anger to be one of the easiest emotions to go to since it's a lot easier to deal with then all the others. It can keep you cut off (isolating your safe like PTSD likes) and a majority of other things. Avoidance is the name of the game. I used to not be able to walk around my own home without irrational fear that I was always in danger. I can completely relate to you and I feel for you I really do.
It is NOT untreatable though. You've just yet to find something that works but believe me there is stuff out there that works. It took me many many many years and many different things before I've come to where I'm at now. Don't get discouraged.
Also I've taken plenty of different psychedelics since having been diagnosed and never had an issue. Set and setting as always is important and just don't let yourself talk yourself into a panic.
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Re: PTSD TBI combat veteran, its time to think outside the box! [Re: secondorder]
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secondorder said: I'm still not quite understanding where you draw the line of natural vs unnatural. Do you consider honey natural? What about bananas?
Honey is made by animals (bees). We are animals. So if honey is natural, then wouldn't anything that we make also be natural.
Bananas have been genetically modified by humans over time to something that looks completely different than what they originally looked like.
Everything we have, everything we eat, every medicine we use etc. all came from the Earth. It is natural in its original form, and then apparently it becomes unnatural at some point..? At what point does something become no longer natural?
Why is natural so hard to understand. Honey is created by bees with NATURAL mechanics, it is not seperated by machines and added chemicals. What you speak about bananas is not genetic modification, it is hybridization, there is a HUGE differance. Bananas were not altered in a lab to be what we eat today, they were crossed with pollen from other types of bananas around the world.
Bees dont go to lab and add chemicals, they use the acid in their pollen stomachs to make honey, that is natural. If you cant find it, exactly as it is in nature the. It is not natural.
existing in or caused by nature; not made or caused by humans. This is the definition of natural, pretty simple really. You can alter your preception of the word all you want but natural is a very easy thing to understand.
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Re: PTSD TBI combat veteran, its time to think outside the box! [Re: lbot1983]
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lbot1983 said: not made or caused by humans
That's what he wanted to hear, I guess.
Do you consider humans to be animals?
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