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Naphtha seperating almost instantly.
#21829168 - 06/19/15 06:03 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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This may be the wrong section for this topic.
Trying to extract dmt from acrb. Im in the final stage where I add the naphtha and wait for it to seperate 4 times. No matter how long I mix the jar it seems to seperate within a minute. Cybs tek said the first time could take a hour possibly.
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Re: Naphtha seperating almost instantly. [Re: storm eagle]
#21829212 - 06/19/15 06:13 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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The naptha that separates in the first 5 minutes is just the majority of it, say 90% The other 10% that you can't see will take an hour (I give it 8), but it's deep in all the nooks and crannies absorbing the goodness You won't be able to really see anything besides some clouding until you precipitate and evaporate (: Its workin though
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Re: Naphtha seperating almost instantly. [Re: Weiliithinker]
#21829246 - 06/19/15 06:19 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Uh, huh.. Wasn't really cloudy at all. Damn near clear when I pulled it. I'll do another pull in the morning after I see if I got anything from these... but the stuff was clear.. didn't like that mess. I'll wait longer tomorrow too.
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Re: Naphtha seperating almost instantly. [Re: storm eagle]
#21829330 - 06/19/15 06:32 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Watch this:
When you say: "I add the naphtha and wait for it to seperate 4 times." What exactly do you mean by this?
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Re: Naphtha seperating almost instantly. [Re: qweqaz]
#21829389 - 06/19/15 06:41 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I've seen that vid.
What I mean Is I added the naphtha, shook/stirred/figure 8 the jar then I let it seperate. Then I mixed it up again and waited, then again.. then again.. then i extracted. 45-60 min total. First time doing this, obviously.
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Re: Naphtha seperating almost instantly. [Re: storm eagle]
#21829450 - 06/19/15 06:51 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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A pull only takes 15 mins stirring a bit every 5 mins, decant. The naptha does its work in minutes, the base in the basified solution works over time (i.e. hours, days).
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Re: Naphtha seperating almost instantly. [Re: K1ngSp4de]
#21829574 - 06/19/15 07:23 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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So it sounds like I'm good or nah? I felt real good about all this until it didn't seem to go as cybs tek said even though I stuck to the tek. Stuff isn't even cloudy.
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Re: Naphtha seperating almost instantly. [Re: storm eagle]
#21829695 - 06/19/15 07:43 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I have no idea. I would decant it and toss it in the freezer, wait 30 mins and see if it's cloudy.
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Re: Naphtha seperating almost instantly. [Re: qweqaz]
#21829730 - 06/19/15 07:51 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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When i do it the extracted layer is not cloudy at all. The liquid has a darker tone to it only than it was before swirling/shaking it around with the other layer. Just place it in the freezer for 12+ hours and you will see crystals forming.
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Re: Naphtha seperating almost instantly. [Re: K1ngSp4de]
#21829740 - 06/19/15 07:53 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Been a while.. doesn't really look too cloudy. I'll check again in the morning and dry it and see. If not, I'll start up the heat bath and add fresh naphtha.
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Re: Naphtha seperating almost instantly. [Re: storm eagle]
#21829790 - 06/19/15 08:03 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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There is no need to dry it, all you do is freeze it then poor off the liquid and the crystals will stay in place if done right.
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Re: Naphtha seperating almost instantly. [Re: qweqaz]
#21829797 - 06/19/15 08:05 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Thought ya pour it out then fan dry for 20 min or so.
I'm following cybs salt tek on the dmt nexus wiki page.
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Re: Naphtha seperating almost instantly. [Re: storm eagle]
#21829831 - 06/19/15 08:13 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Ah ok that type of drying.. to let the remaining liquid evaporate..gotcha. Yes that is key for a pure product (thought you wanted to skip the freezer and just dry it down)
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Re: Naphtha seperating almost instantly. [Re: qweqaz]
#21830873 - 06/20/15 12:43 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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It depends on how hot your base is wheather it seperates quickly or not, aslong as you follow the tek and your barks not bunk you should be good, you won't notice any cloudiness until the naphtha cools down, and is saturated with enough of the dmt, it'll be there don't worry my pulls are always clear till it hits room temp, breath on the pyrex with your pulls in you'll see it
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Re: Naphtha seperating almost instantly. [Re: storm eagle]
#21831233 - 06/20/15 03:59 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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storm eagle said: This may be the wrong section for this topic.
Trying to extract dmt from acrb. Im in the final stage where I add the naphtha and wait for it to seperate 4 times. No matter how long I mix the jar it seems to seperate within a minute. Cybs tek said the first time could take a hour possibly.
What it COULD take and what it DOES take are two entirely different things. Naphtha and basified water are not miscible, so they never really mix at all. It's just that there's physical things inside the water (the bark powder or chips) that mechanically prevent it from floating to the top.
I don't know what instructions you are using, but one thing is for CERTAIN. You can not pull the naphtha off the basified water so soon. The DMT in solution is only 1 - 2% MAX. In order for you to have a concentration within the naphtha sufficient to freeze precipitate DMT out of it takes damned near 24 hours. Anyone who tells you otherwise is misleading you. Have some patience.
Also, there is no need to do anything other than an occasional stir or modest swirl or agitation. The DMT will naturally migrate down it's concentration gradient into the naphtha without you doing a damned thing. To mechanically mix with vigor is to risk an emulsion.
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Re: Naphtha seperating almost instantly. [Re: Nature Boy]
#21831283 - 06/20/15 04:48 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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It dosent take 24hrs the dmt will migrate straight away especially if you use salt to help it, you will pull alot more fats and oils if you leave it 24hrs, just follow cybs tek and you'll be good don't worry about what people say, with acrb do a mini a/b when you've collected all your pulls otherwise you'll end up with goo, follow earthwalkers tek for that here https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=58064
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Re: Naphtha seperating almost instantly. [Re: sbc1]
#21831295 - 06/20/15 04:53 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Also if I was you don't powder your bark or buy powdered bark as you'll probably get tiny particles migrating into the naphtha plus it's messier to work with get shredded bark and freeze and thaw it for a week before you want to extract it will lyce the cells and will be much easier to get the dmt out
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Re: Naphtha seperating almost instantly. [Re: sbc1]
#21831375 - 06/20/15 05:54 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Niiice. Well much success. Thanks sbc1 for confirming that all needed was to be sure to follow cyb. Fan drying now. Taking longer than expected but I'm good with that. Big fluffy ones!
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Re: Naphtha seperating almost instantly. [Re: storm eagle]
#21831377 - 06/20/15 05:56 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I had powdered acrb and followed the tek to a t. Just poured in fresh naphtha for anot her pull later on. Gonna re x when all is done all at once.
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Re: Naphtha seperating almost instantly. [Re: storm eagle]
#21831471 - 06/20/15 06:59 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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storm eagle said: I had powdered acrb and followed the tek to a t. Just poured in fresh naphtha for anot her pull later on. Gonna re x when all is done all at once.
Instead of doing a re-x just do a mini a/b you won't lose anything and it's better in my opinion, you'll just use a bit more naphtha
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Re: Naphtha seperating almost instantly. [Re: sbc1]
#21831503 - 06/20/15 07:25 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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A mini a/b? Didn't see that mentioned in the link. I used acrb and got crystal from the first overnite freeze. Gonna do another pull soon and freeze it.
What do you suggest since I didn't get goo?
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Re: Naphtha seperating almost instantly. [Re: sbc1]
#21831508 - 06/20/15 07:27 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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sbc1 said: It dosent take 24hrs the dmt will migrate straight away especially if you use salt to help it,
A little knowledge is dangerous. Ignorance (and the insistence on remaining so) is even more dangerous. Don't want to learn? Best of luck then.
Care to explain to me what the salt has to do with it?? 
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Re: Naphtha seperating almost instantly. [Re: Nature Boy]
#21831561 - 06/20/15 07:52 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Re: Naphtha seperating almost instantly. [Re: Nature Boy]
#21831568 - 06/20/15 07:57 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Nature Boy said:
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sbc1 said: It dosent take 24hrs the dmt will migrate straight away especially if you use salt to help it,
A little knowledge is dangerous. Ignorance (and the insistence on remaining so) is even more dangerous. Don't want to learn? Best of luck then.
Care to explain to me what the salt has to do with it?? 
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Re: Naphtha seperating almost instantly. [Re: storm eagle]
#21831575 - 06/20/15 08:00 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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storm eagle said: https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=32567
Salt^
Now help the op with his last question?
Sorry storm eagle, the mini a/b is just under the actual extraction process on the first page, on the link I sent you
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Re: Naphtha seperating almost instantly. [Re: Nature Boy]
#21831597 - 06/20/15 08:07 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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As far as I know, the salt increases the ionic charge. The higher the ionic charge, the quicker the alkaloids will transfer from the polar solvent to the non polar solvent. That's what Cyb's max ion tek is all about too.
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Re: Naphtha seperating almost instantly. [Re: storm eagle]
#21831601 - 06/20/15 08:09 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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storm eagle said: A mini a/b? Didn't see that mentioned in the link. I used acrb and got crystal from the first overnite freeze. Gonna do another pull soon and freeze it.
What do you suggest since I didn't get goo?
Just keep doing what your doing and all will be good
This is all I do now
Extraction
100g of shredded bark added to 2 litre bottle
900ml of water mixed with 100ml of white vinegar then added to bottle
Freeze and thaw for a week before I carry out the extraction to lyce the cells, 24hrs in and 24hrs out, on the last thaw leave for 2 days till its at room temperature
80g of sea salt mixed with 400ml of boiling water, then added to bottle once cooled
60g of lye mixed with 300ml of cold water then added to bottle
Leave bottle for 2 hours then add 50ml of naphtha, roll for 1 min then let seperate repeat 4 times, do 6 x 50 ml of naptha pulls
Can do warm pulls,room temp pulls or cold pulls, can also have the base warm or room temp it dosent matter
Mini a/b In a 1 litre bottle add 500ml of room temp water mixed with 60ml of white vinegar
Place naphtha pulls into 1 litre bottle roll for 5 min and let seperate repeat 3 times
Remove naphtha from bottle and discard
Place 200ml of cold water into jug and add 50g of lye then add to bottle, dmt will crash out and turn the bottle milky
Add 50ml of naphtha and roll for 1 min and let seperate do this 5 more times then pull and place in pyrex dish, evaporate half to 3 quarters with fan then place dish into freezer for 48hrs, remove place straight under fan to evaporate or pour off remaining naphtha then place under fan to dry, once dry scrape crystals off pyrex
Keep your base mix and go back and do a few more pulls after a couple of days to exhaust the bark
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Re: Naphtha seperating almost instantly. [Re: daytripper05]
#21831604 - 06/20/15 08:10 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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daytripper05 said: As far as I know, the salt increases the ionic charge. The higher the ionic charge, the quicker the alkaloids will transfer from the polar solvent to the non polar solvent. That's what Cyb's max ion tek is all about too.
Yeah your absolutely right daytripper05
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Re: Naphtha seperating almost instantly. [Re: sbc1]
#21831661 - 06/20/15 08:33 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I am curious, if one has a hot plate magnetic stirrer to mix the naptha together. Would is be better to leave the stirrer on for the entire 30 minutes? Or is it the stir and separating that is most effective at pulling out the DMT?
Currently, I just use my stirrer for 60 seconds and turn it back on every 7 minutes and after 30 minutes I let it completely separate.
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Re: Naphtha seperating almost instantly. [Re: daytripper05]
#21831724 - 06/20/15 08:53 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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daytripper05 said: I am curious, if one has a hot plate magnetic stirrer to mix the naptha together. Would is be better to leave the stirrer on for the entire 30 minutes? Or is it the stir and separating that is most effective at pulling out the DMT?
Currently, I just use my stirrer for 60 seconds and turn it back on every 7 minutes and after 30 minutes I let it completely separate.
I think you should do what your already doing seems like it's doing the job, I rotate for 1-2 mins then leave for 5-10 mins to seperate, I don't use a magnetic hot plate stirrer so can't really say
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Re: Naphtha seperating almost instantly. [Re: sbc1]
#21831901 - 06/20/15 10:20 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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sbc1 said: As you say ignorance is dangerous, you should nip back on the nexus you might learn a few new things NB times have changed
I've spent a great deal of time there, and I admit it is time less wasted than here where chemical ignorance is at it's finest and most apparent. Salt in NO MANNER enhances the speed with which naphtha picks up freebased DMT. That is NOT it's purpose. Anyone who tries to sell you that premise is an idiot..as is the person who ACCEPTS the premise without doing their own deeper investigation.
I stand by every single word I wrote. A handful of minutes and a bit of stirring is NOT enough time for sufficient migration of DMT into the naphtha sufficient to give any meaningful yield with freeze precipitation.
It's uneducated people like you who merely follow instructions authored by someone else like it's a fucking cake recipe and have absolutely no understanding of the actual principles involved that drove me away the last time. Get a fucking education - and if you are unwilling to spend the time, effort and money to do so, you can at least show enough intellect to LISTEN to the people who have!
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Re: Naphtha seperating almost instantly. [Re: Nature Boy]
#21832107 - 06/20/15 11:42 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I'm not gonna get into an argument with someone who knows everything I'll just stick to pulling 4 grams per 100 grams of bark, you just stick to your stb method that you supposedly came up with that very few people use
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Re: Naphtha seperating almost instantly. [Re: sbc1]
#21832159 - 06/20/15 11:58 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Nature Boy said: here where chemical ignorance is at it's finest and most apparent. N.B.
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Re: Naphtha seperating almost instantly. [Re: storm eagle]
#21832180 - 06/20/15 12:07 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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storm eagle said: This may be the wrong section for this topic.
Trying to extract dmt from acrb. Im in the final stage where I add the naphtha and wait for it to seperate 4 times. No matter how long I mix the jar it seems to seperate within a minute. Cybs tek said the first time could take a hour possibly.
All the chem questions get around here from "just mix it up man" responses
To get back on topic. OP you probably followed the teks measurements right? and used a lot of lye and 'based the fuck out of it' to like ph12. No emulsions form at these high ph's but you don't need to use that much caustic material. Dmt freebase pKa is like 8.6 so you really don't need a ton of base to get it to freebase. 10.6 pH is 99% freebased. Get some strips or a ph meter and add lye water to >10.6 ph then top off with DH2O and roll everything gently. Better yet get a sep funnel
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Re: Naphtha seperating almost instantly. [Re: Bugler Boy]
#21832231 - 06/20/15 12:28 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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A sep funnel is useless if your using naphtha and there's no need for one just stick to what your using and just follow that tek, you don't need ph strips or a meter when using the amounts on the tek, if you plan on experimenting in the future with different solvents or different ratios then maybe
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Re: Naphtha seperating almost instantly. [Re: sbc1]
#21832259 - 06/20/15 12:36 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I would like to know what you said was wrong, instead of getting flamed for helping out. I am certainly not a chemist, but have taken college level chem classes, and an engineer by trade. I am certainly capable of learning, so if anything that was wrongfully posted in the thread could be explained WHY it's wrong, then I will read what is posted. People just posting stuff saying "that's wrong" but don't explain the science behind their reasoning.
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Re: Naphtha seperating almost instantly. [Re: sbc1]
#21832289 - 06/20/15 12:47 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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sbc1 said: A sep funnel is useless if your using naphtha
This is the biggest I've read in a while. So ignorant it honestly comes off trollish. You're the equivalent of shake and bake meth.
Many alkaloids are extracted from plants. Thats how a lot of pharma drugs are made. A sep funnel is a STANDARD piece of equipment in a liquid/liquid extraction. Did you pass high school?
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Re: Naphtha seperating almost instantly. [Re: Bugler Boy]
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Bugler Boy said:
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sbc1 said: A sep funnel is useless if your using naphtha
This is the biggest I've read in a while. So ignorant it honestly comes off trollish. You're the equivalent of shake and bake meth.
Many alkaloids are extracted from plants. Thats how a lot of pharma drugs are made. A sep funnel is a STANDARD piece of equipment in a liquid/liquid extraction. Did you pass high school?
He's extracting dmt using naphtha not after other alkaloids, naphtha(lighter fluid) sits on top of the base as the base is heavier so how is a sep funnel any use to the op, am I missing something here, why do people come her and tell people there wrong and start giving them abuse when the op clearly states at the start that he's following a tek that dosent use any special glassware, he's extracting dmt not synthesising lsd, did you pass high school English because you clearly can't read or else you would of realised the op has no need for a sep funnel and neither does anyone else when extracting dmt
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Re: Naphtha seperating almost instantly. [Re: daytripper05]
#21832369 - 06/20/15 01:18 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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daytripper05 said: I would like to know what you said was wrong, instead of getting flamed for helping out. I am certainly not a chemist, but have taken college level chem classes, and an engineer by trade. I am certainly capable of learning, so if anything that was wrongfully posted in the thread could be explained WHY it's wrong, then I will read what is posted. People just posting stuff saying "that's wrong" but don't explain the science behind their reasoning.
Me to daytripper but just leave them to it, they obviously didn't realise the average joe can extract dmt without any knowledge of chemistry
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Re: Naphtha seperating almost instantly. [Re: sbc1]
#21833181 - 06/20/15 05:33 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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How long did you wait to add the naphtha I waited one day and it worked out. But you really don't want it to disappear in the root bark it took 8 hours till my stuff separated and that's because I shook the hell out of it. I did my last pull last night and it dried with the same as the starting one because I heated my jars in boiling water before pulling them it makes it get a lot more. Ive been yeilding goo that seems impsoble to break through on but it gets you visuals. But try heating it then pulling it for the maximum results and if you're pulling nothing add more lye it may not be converting it to free base form but lye will do it.
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Re: Naphtha seperating almost instantly. [Re: thewanderer25]
#21833720 - 06/20/15 07:59 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Thick-Lights tek has always worked better than the salt tek for me. Working with pure liquids and no bark in the mix is so much easier, makes for fast seperation of layers too. You can saturate your solvent within 5 minutes and crystals will crash out at room temp..
I now do one pull with dichloromethane, evaporate and re x in hexane. Best way, try it.
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Re: Naphtha seperating almost instantly. [Re: satch1234]
#21834571 - 06/20/15 11:16 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Im going to try this on my next run what you do is add isopropyl alcohol to the root bark powder then let it dry its supposed to bring the DMT out of the bark as much as a acid to base would. Also freezing the bark then thawing it a few times before the run can help.
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Re: Naphtha seperating almost instantly. [Re: thewanderer25]
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thewanderer25 said: Also freezing the bark then thawing it a few times before the run can help.
^^^This. Helps tremendously. That's trick #1. There are numerous others.
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Re: Naphtha seperating almost instantly. [Re: sbc1]
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sbc1 said: I'm not gonna get into an argument with someone who knows everything I'll just stick to pulling 4 grams per 100 grams of bark,
LOL. Just as I suspected. 2 grams DMT plus 2 grams of adulterants. Yeah, your a GREAT chemist. Magically making DMT appear in an amount greater than that contained in your starting material. Your statement is proof positive that your product is contaminated.
The fact that you self-administer the resultant product is tragic. On those occasions where you give, share or sell your tainted garbage to someone else, you are blatantly immoral. I don't care what legitimate method you employ to arrive at your final product. What I DO care very much about is that you learn (from whatever reliable source) the actual chemistry involved so your end product is suitable for human consumption. Clearly, you are making mistakes...and what's worse, you refuse to entertain advice that would provide you with a far cleaner end product.
You are just the kind of person who does not deserve help. Go smoke your poison...just don't give it to anyone else. Oh, and have a nice day.
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Re: Naphtha seperating almost instantly. [Re: Nature Boy]
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thewanderer25 said: Also freezing the bark then thawing it a few times before the run can help.
^^^This. Helps tremendously. That's trick #1. There are numerous others.
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I was gonna try this next. So I just add the water and vinegar solution and just freeze/thaw for a week?
What other of these tricks should help? I'm about to try another 50g of acrb.
This is the only dmt I've tried besides a friends he got at a fest.. his was a crazy journey.. this stuff I extracted not so much.. not even as close to a journey. DissapointMenT. Followed the tek to a T. Maybe it's the bark?
My first pulls were white crystals. I have yellow in the freezer now with weird white cone structures. Is goo ever clear?
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Re: Naphtha seperating almost instantly. [Re: Nature Boy]
#21835660 - 06/21/15 07:06 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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sbc1 said: I'm not gonna get into an argument with someone who knows everything I'll just stick to pulling 4 grams per 100 grams of bark,
LOL. Just as I suspected. 2 grams DMT plus 2 grams of adulterants. Yeah, your a GREAT chemist. Magically making DMT appear in an amount greater than that contained in your starting material. Your statement is proof positive that your product is contaminated.
The fact that you self-administer the resultant product is tragic. On those occasions where you give, share or sell your tainted garbage to someone else, you are blatantly immoral. I don't care what legitimate method you employ to arrive at your final product. What I DO care very much about is that you learn (from whatever reliable source) the actual chemistry involved so your end product is suitable for human consumption. Clearly, you are making mistakes...and what's worse, you refuse to entertain advice that would provide you with a far cleaner end product.
You are just the kind of person who does not deserve help. Go smoke your poison...just don't give it to anyone else. Oh, and have a nice day.
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You obviously don't no what your talking about name me 2 grams of adulterants that I pull if by that you mean yellow/orange, jimjam, then that is all dmt plus other alkaloids, fats, oils ect, when did I say I was a chemist, I pull clean white dmt all the time and I don't need special glassware and other shit your talking about and that no one's bothered about because all they want is dmt and they can do that without any of the crap your talking about, so stop spreading miss info about what you need and who's right and wrong because at the end of the day it does the same job wheather it's white, yellow, orange and red
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Re: Naphtha seperating almost instantly. [Re: storm eagle]
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thewanderer25 said: Also freezing the bark then thawing it a few times before the run can help.
^^^This. Helps tremendously. That's trick #1. There are numerous others.
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I was gonna try this next. So I just add the water and vinegar solution and just freeze/thaw for a week?
What other of these tricks should help? I'm about to try another 50g of acrb.
This is the only dmt I've tried besides a friends he got at a fest.. his was a crazy journey.. this stuff I extracted not so much.. not even as close to a journey. DissapointMenT. Followed the tek to a T. Maybe it's the bark?
My first pulls were white crystals. I have yellow in the freezer now with weird white cone structures. Is goo ever clear?
Storm eagle just follow cybs and earthwalkers tek to a t and don't listen to any of these, if your pulling dmt white/yellow whatever then your doing it right
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Re: Naphtha seperating almost instantly. [Re: sbc1]
#21835695 - 06/21/15 07:28 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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What about the potency issue? It's weak sauce. Do I just need to mini a/b or re x? Any opinions on that? I was gonna wait till my bark is spent to do one or the other, and to it all at once.
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Re: Naphtha seperating almost instantly. [Re: storm eagle]
#21835704 - 06/21/15 07:31 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Didn't understand the first bit of the question, collect all your pulls and do a mini a/b
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Re: Naphtha seperating almost instantly. [Re: sbc1]
#21835715 - 06/21/15 07:38 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Sorry in a recent post I mentioned it.
The only other dmt I've tried was a friends he got at a festival. It was insane. One hit and I was off. This stuff I've pulled is not even comparable. Was wandering if the clean up stage would fix that.
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Re: Naphtha seperating almost instantly. [Re: storm eagle]
#21835760 - 06/21/15 07:58 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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To be honest it all depends on different factors, your technique in smoking or vapourising it, and the amount you actually smoke or vapourise so I wouldn't worry about it, aslong you don't pull any of the base and you make sure your product is dry and the naphtha has evaporated all should be fine, wheather its white, yellow, orange it dosent matter a lot of people don't bother cleaning it and prefer the different spectrum of alkaloids, but if you want white then just clean your product either with the mini a/b or re-x
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Re: Naphtha seperating almost instantly. [Re: storm eagle]
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storm eagle said: I was gonna try this next. So I just add the water and vinegar solution and just freeze/thaw for a week?
Arrgh, NO!. Just put your bark in the freezer overnight. Remove until fully thawed. Repeat 2 additional times. Doing what you suggest may rupture the container, assuming it's glass (which it should be).
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Re: Naphtha seperating almost instantly. [Re: sbc1]
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sbc1 said: You obviously don't no what your talking about name me 2 grams of adulterants that I pull if by that you mean yellow/orange, jimjam, then that is all dmt plus other alkaloids, fats, oils ect, when did I say I was a chemist, I pull clean white dmt all the time and I don't need special glassware and other shit your talking about and that no one's bothered about because all they want is dmt and they can do that without any of the crap your talking about, so stop spreading miss info about what you need and who's right and wrong because at the end of the day it does the same job wheather it's white, yellow, orange and red
Who said anything about any special glassware??? Show me where I said that.
Misinformation? I stand by every word. Dude, you lost every shred of credibility with that claim of 4% yield. No one believes a word you say now, fella.
"Wheather." LOL. It's "whether" sbc1. So, in addition to chemistry, you would probably benefit from a class in English as well.
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Re: Naphtha seperating almost instantly. [Re: Nature Boy]
#21839254 - 06/21/15 09:02 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Ok here is what you need to do exactly if you do it right then you will waste very little DMT and it will be very pure. Step one. freeze bark then unfreeze bark (repeat this step 3 times)
step two. add some vinegar to a near boiling pot of water then add your bark after 45 minutes of almost boiling pour the water out into a bigger pot and repeat the vinegar/water boil on the bark 3 times. When all 3 boils are collected the DMT is now in the vinegar/water and not the bark so you can toss the bark. Evaporate the liquid with the stove till it fits in whatever jar you want to use.
Step three. So your DMT water is acidic you can add lye to it but I use a little salt to bring the PH to neutral then add my lye either way is fine. Just be careful you're adding too opposites to each other so take protections this stuff reacts violently if you do it wrong gloves and goggles is a must. I let it sit for 24 to 48 hours after the lye breaks it down before I do my pulls you want a PH of 10.5 or more.
Step four. I add my naphtha and measure it carefully listen to this FOR EVERY HUNDRED GRAMS OF BARK ADD 50ML of naphtha it gets supersaturated which is a very good thing. I basically turn my sink to as hot as it can get and plug it when its very hot and let my jar float in the water. every 5 minutes take it out and swirl the naphtha throughout the jar BUT DO NOT SHAKE it will get lost and takes hours to separate which means its absorbing the nasty fats I gently roll it around and place it back in the water. after 3 times of this do your pulls and place them in a jar. (repeat 3 times)
Step five. Place all the naptha/DMT you collected in the freezer for 24 hours when its nice and frozen pour all the naptha back into the jar I get one nasty pull from it (its optoinl but jungle spice is still DMT in my books) at the bottom of the frozen jars you will find highly pure DMT crystals.
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sbc1 said: wheather its white, yellow, orange it dosent matter a lot of people don't bother cleaning it and prefer the different spectrum of alkaloids
Thats not realy true unless your talking about changa. The oil is fats that take forever to burn so vaping it is a lot harder and dosing it is just as hard. However you can let your naphtha dry on some weed or tobacco and take a harmala and just puff the dry weed or tobacco like normal. Thats what im useing my jungle spice for and it lasts two hours instead of 10 minutes
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Re: Naphtha seperating almost instantly. [Re: thewanderer25]
#21841181 - 06/22/15 10:25 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Dumb question.. how do ya dispose of this bark soup? Just down the drain? Just making sure.
I'm gonna try the freezing of the bark tonight.
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Re: Naphtha seperating almost instantly. [Re: storm eagle]
#21841298 - 06/22/15 11:06 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Idk you can use it as compost I suppose it will not have been in contact with the lye yet but throwing it in the toilet or drain would make me mad. Its like throwing one of god's favorite plants into a sewer of shit litterlity. LMAO but do as you want with it it doesn't matter but if you whant some love from the DMT go to a garden and bury it next to the most betufal plants have a funaral for it play it
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Re: Naphtha seperating almost instantly. [Re: thewanderer25]
#21841315 - 06/22/15 11:10 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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But check this digram out its were I got that tek from I just dumbed it down so its easier
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