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Re: Naphtha seperating almost instantly. [Re: sbc1]
    #21831503 - 06/20/15 07:25 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

A mini a/b? Didn't see that mentioned in the link. I used acrb and got crystal from the first overnite freeze. Gonna do another pull soon and freeze it.

What do you suggest since I didn't get goo?


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Re: Naphtha seperating almost instantly. [Re: sbc1]
    #21831508 - 06/20/15 07:27 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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It dosent take 24hrs the dmt will migrate straight away especially if you use salt to help it,




:lolsy:  A little knowledge is dangerous.  Ignorance (and the insistence on remaining so) is even more dangerous.  Don't want to learn?  Best of luck then.

Care to explain to me what the salt has to do with it??  :facepalm:

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Re: Naphtha seperating almost instantly. [Re: Nature Boy]
    #21831561 - 06/20/15 07:52 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=32567

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Now help the op with his last question?


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Re: Naphtha seperating almost instantly. [Re: Nature Boy]
    #21831568 - 06/20/15 07:57 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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It dosent take 24hrs the dmt will migrate straight away especially if you use salt to help it,




:lolsy:  A little knowledge is dangerous.  Ignorance (and the insistence on remaining so) is even more dangerous.  Don't want to learn?  Best of luck then.

Care to explain to me what the salt has to do with it??  :facepalm:

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As you say ignorance is dangerous,  you should nip back on the nexus you might learn a few new things NB times have changed


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Re: Naphtha seperating almost instantly. [Re: storm eagle]
    #21831575 - 06/20/15 08:00 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=32567

Salt^

Now help the op with his last question?



Sorry storm eagle, the mini a/b is just under the actual extraction process on the first page, on the link I sent you


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Re: Naphtha seperating almost instantly. [Re: Nature Boy]
    #21831597 - 06/20/15 08:07 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

As far as I know, the salt increases the ionic charge. The higher the ionic charge, the quicker the alkaloids will transfer from the polar solvent to the non polar solvent. That's what Cyb's max ion tek is all about too.


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Re: Naphtha seperating almost instantly. [Re: storm eagle]
    #21831601 - 06/20/15 08:09 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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A mini a/b? Didn't see that mentioned in the link. I used acrb and got crystal from the first overnite freeze. Gonna do another pull soon and freeze it.

What do you suggest since I didn't get goo?



Just keep doing what your doing and all will be good

This is all I do now

Extraction

100g of shredded bark added to 2 litre bottle

900ml of water mixed with 100ml of white vinegar then added to bottle

Freeze and thaw for a week before I carry out the extraction to lyce the cells,  24hrs in and 24hrs out, on the last thaw leave for 2 days till its at room temperature

80g of sea salt mixed with 400ml of boiling water, then added to bottle once cooled

60g of lye mixed with 300ml of cold water then added to bottle

Leave bottle for 2 hours then add 50ml of naphtha, roll for 1 min then let seperate repeat 4 times, do 6 x 50 ml of naptha pulls

Can do warm pulls,room temp pulls or cold pulls, can also have the base warm or room temp it dosent matter

Mini a/b
In a 1 litre bottle add 500ml of room temp water mixed with 60ml of white vinegar

Place naphtha pulls into 1 litre bottle roll for 5 min and let seperate repeat 3 times

Remove naphtha from bottle and discard

Place 200ml of cold water into jug and add 50g of lye then add to bottle,  dmt will crash out and turn the bottle milky

Add 50ml of naphtha and roll for 1 min and let seperate do this 5 more times then pull and place in pyrex dish, evaporate half to 3 quarters with fan then place dish into freezer for 48hrs,  remove place straight under fan to evaporate or pour off remaining naphtha then place under fan to dry, once dry scrape crystals off pyrex

Keep your base mix and go back and do a few more pulls after a couple of days to exhaust the bark


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Re: Naphtha seperating almost instantly. [Re: daytripper05]
    #21831604 - 06/20/15 08:10 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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As far as I know, the salt increases the ionic charge. The higher the ionic charge, the quicker the alkaloids will transfer from the polar solvent to the non polar solvent. That's what Cyb's max ion tek is all about too.



Yeah your absolutely right daytripper05


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Re: Naphtha seperating almost instantly. [Re: sbc1]
    #21831661 - 06/20/15 08:33 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I am curious, if one has a hot plate magnetic stirrer to mix the naptha together. Would is be better to leave the stirrer on for the entire 30 minutes? Or is it the stir and separating that is most effective at pulling out the DMT?

Currently, I just use my stirrer for 60 seconds and turn it back on every 7 minutes and after 30 minutes I let it completely separate.


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Re: Naphtha seperating almost instantly. [Re: daytripper05]
    #21831724 - 06/20/15 08:53 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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I am curious, if one has a hot plate magnetic stirrer to mix the naptha together. Would is be better to leave the stirrer on for the entire 30 minutes? Or is it the stir and separating that is most effective at pulling out the DMT?

Currently, I just use my stirrer for 60 seconds and turn it back on every 7 minutes and after 30 minutes I let it completely separate.



I think you should do what your already doing seems like it's doing the job, I rotate for 1-2 mins then leave for 5-10 mins to seperate,  I don't use a magnetic hot plate stirrer so can't really say


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Re: Naphtha seperating almost instantly. [Re: sbc1]
    #21831901 - 06/20/15 10:20 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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As you say ignorance is dangerous,  you should nip back on the nexus you might learn a few new things NB times have changed




I've spent a great deal of time there, and I admit it is time less wasted than here where chemical ignorance is at it's finest and most apparent.  Salt in NO MANNER enhances the speed with which naphtha picks up freebased DMT.  That is NOT it's purpose.  Anyone who tries to sell you that premise is an idiot..as is the person who ACCEPTS the premise without doing their own deeper investigation.

I stand by every single word I wrote.  A handful of minutes and a bit of stirring is NOT enough time for sufficient migration of DMT into the naphtha sufficient to give any meaningful yield with freeze precipitation.

It's uneducated people like you who merely follow instructions authored by someone else like it's a fucking cake recipe and have absolutely no understanding of the actual principles involved that drove me away the last time.  Get a fucking education - and if you are unwilling to spend the time, effort and money to do so, you can at least show enough intellect to LISTEN to the people who have!

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Re: Naphtha seperating almost instantly. [Re: Nature Boy]
    #21832107 - 06/20/15 11:42 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I'm not gonna get into an argument with someone who knows everything I'll just stick to pulling 4 grams per 100 grams of bark, you just stick to your stb method that you supposedly came up with that very few people use

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Re: Naphtha seperating almost instantly. [Re: sbc1]
    #21832159 - 06/20/15 11:58 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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here where chemical ignorance is at it's finest and most apparent.
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Re: Naphtha seperating almost instantly. [Re: storm eagle]
    #21832180 - 06/20/15 12:07 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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This may be the wrong section for this topic.

Trying to extract dmt from acrb. Im in the final stage where I add the naphtha and wait for it to seperate 4 times. No matter how long I mix the jar it seems to seperate within a minute. Cybs tek said the first time could take a hour possibly.




All the chem questions get :derail: around here from "just mix it up man" responses

To get back on topic. OP you probably followed the teks measurements right? and used a lot of lye and 'based the fuck out of it' to like ph12. No emulsions form at these high ph's but you don't need to use that much caustic material. Dmt freebase pKa is like 8.6 so you really don't  need a ton of base to get it to freebase. 10.6 pH is 99% freebased. Get some strips or a ph meter and add lye water to >10.6 ph then top off with DH2O and roll everything gently. Better yet get a sep funnel


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Re: Naphtha seperating almost instantly. [Re: Bugler Boy]
    #21832231 - 06/20/15 12:28 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

A sep funnel is useless if your using naphtha and there's no need for one just stick to what your using and just follow that tek, you don't need ph strips or a meter when using the amounts on the tek, if you plan on experimenting in the future with different solvents or different ratios then maybe


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Re: Naphtha seperating almost instantly. [Re: sbc1]
    #21832259 - 06/20/15 12:36 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I would like to know what you said was wrong, instead of getting flamed for helping out. I am certainly not a chemist, but have taken college level chem classes, and an engineer by trade. I am certainly capable of learning, so if anything that was wrongfully posted in the thread could be explained WHY it's wrong, then I will read what is posted. People just posting stuff saying "that's wrong" but don't explain the science behind their reasoning.


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Re: Naphtha seperating almost instantly. [Re: sbc1]
    #21832289 - 06/20/15 12:47 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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A sep funnel is useless if your using naphtha




This is the biggest :facepalm: I've read in a while. So ignorant it honestly comes off trollish. You're the equivalent of shake and bake meth.

Many alkaloids are extracted from plants. Thats how a lot of pharma drugs are made. A sep funnel is a STANDARD piece of equipment in a liquid/liquid extraction. Did you pass high school?


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Re: Naphtha seperating almost instantly. [Re: Bugler Boy]
    #21832359 - 06/20/15 01:14 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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A sep funnel is useless if your using naphtha




This is the biggest :facepalm: I've read in a while. So ignorant it honestly comes off trollish. You're the equivalent of shake and bake meth.

Many alkaloids are extracted from plants. Thats how a lot of pharma drugs are made. A sep funnel is a STANDARD piece of equipment in a liquid/liquid extraction. Did you pass high school?



He's extracting dmt using naphtha not after other alkaloids, naphtha(lighter fluid) sits on top of the base as the base is heavier so how is a sep funnel any use to the op, am I missing something here, why do people come her and tell people there wrong and start giving them abuse when the op clearly states at the start that he's following a tek that dosent use any special glassware,  he's extracting dmt not synthesising lsd, did you pass high school English because you clearly can't read or else you would of realised the op has no need for a sep funnel and neither does anyone else when extracting dmt


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Re: Naphtha seperating almost instantly. [Re: daytripper05]
    #21832369 - 06/20/15 01:18 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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I would like to know what you said was wrong, instead of getting flamed for helping out. I am certainly not a chemist, but have taken college level chem classes, and an engineer by trade. I am certainly capable of learning, so if anything that was wrongfully posted in the thread could be explained WHY it's wrong, then I will read what is posted. People just posting stuff saying "that's wrong" but don't explain the science behind their reasoning.



Me to daytripper but just leave them to it, they obviously didn't realise the average joe can extract dmt without any knowledge of chemistry


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Re: Naphtha seperating almost instantly. [Re: sbc1]
    #21833181 - 06/20/15 05:33 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

How long did you wait to add the naphtha I waited one day and it worked out. But you really don't want it to disappear in the root bark it took 8 hours till my stuff separated and that's because I shook the hell out of it. I did my last pull last night and it dried with the same as the starting one because I heated my jars in boiling water before pulling them it makes it get a lot more. Ive been yeilding goo that seems impsoble to break through on but it gets you visuals. But try heating it then pulling it for the maximum results and if you're pulling nothing add more lye it may not be converting it to free base form but lye will do it.  :goodluck:


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