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Re: Scientist charged with making drugs in his Springfield home(NJ) [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #21840740 - 06/22/15 06:25 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I still don't think he ordered it, then again he might have just been extremely lazy.


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Re: Scientist charged with making drugs in his Springfield home(NJ) [Re: fapjack]
    #21840838 - 06/22/15 07:40 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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I still don't think he ordered it, then again he might have just been extremely lazy.





Usually, when a large amount of controlled substance shows up at a persons house, it's because they ordered it.


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Re: Scientist charged with making drugs in his Springfield home(NJ) [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #21841106 - 06/22/15 09:55 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I mean I think his son or someone else living with him ordered it.  He was a chemist, he could easily make it from GABA or THF.  If he risked his ass importing list 1 chemicals to his house when he could have easily made them himself he was an idiot and a lazy ass chemist.  Making GHB from GBL is first degree manufacture, if you are going to risk your ass like that you might as well do it by minimizing your risk.  Can you imagine someone with a masters degree in mycology getting arrested for importing a few kilos of cubensis from Holland?  It's so stupid I have a hard time believing it is a possibility.


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Re: Scientist charged with making drugs in his Springfield home(NJ) [Re: fapjack]
    #21841920 - 06/22/15 02:42 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

It is not easy to make GHB from locally available precursors.

He probably thought it was safe to order because he had gotten away with it in the past.

But times have changed and it is no longer safe to order.


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Re: Scientist charged with making drugs in his Springfield home(NJ) [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #21842238 - 06/22/15 04:24 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Most likely they thought he was doing a lot more then what they found. This amount of resource wasting is never good even if they do come out with some charges. I bet whoever was in charge of this investigation caught a lot of flack and possibly even got penalized by wasting the agencies time. That is why the story is made to sound enticing and big because the agencies are probably embarrassed on how small it was. The general public with no knowledge of GBL/GHB probably thinks this was a huge haul.


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Re: Scientist charged with making drugs in his Springfield home(NJ) [Re: my3rdeye]
    #21842287 - 06/22/15 04:44 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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GHB has been labeled a date-rape drug due to its rapid sedative effects when administered in larger quantities.






The language they use. Labeled a date rape drug by police even though they can never actually point to any cases where it has been used as a date rape drug. Unlike alcohol, which is never called a date rape drug in any story. But it will be a factor in hundreds of rapes just this weekend.
Anyway a lot of people think ordering some GBL and making your own GHB is a minor thing, this guy has 200 000 dollars bail and is looking at potential 20 years and he only had 300 milliliters of GHB.



This is a false claim and easy to discredit. GHB is commonly used as a date rape drug. There are thousands of cases. Perhaps you forget that most rape victims value their anonymity because of the shame associated with being brutally raped. The most famous case being Andrew Luster, the billionaire heir to the Max Factor cosmetics fortune, and spoiled brat who thought he was above the law. He raped women and neatly organized the dozens of videotapes he made of himself committing the crimes labeling the videos such :

GHB: Anna Jenson
GHB: Theresa Rippel
GHB: Rebecca Zimmerman

so that the evidence was already well organized for the prosecutor and it would be super easy to identify the victims. He was sentenced to 50 years for his crimes. And he got off light, although he committed dozens of rapes he's only serving time for three of them.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/17/andrew-luster-sentenced-rapes_n_3098485.html


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Re: Scientist charged with making drugs in his Springfield home(NJ) [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #21843535 - 06/22/15 09:23 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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It is not easy to make GHB from locally available precursors.

He probably thought it was safe to order because he had gotten away with it in the past.

But times have changed and it is no longer safe to order.





Well I looked at his facebook and it appears he is an engineer.  I assumed he was a chemist, guess not.  Makes a lot more sense now.  It also looks like he really likes drinking.  Still, GHB from GABA or THF is not that hard, especially for an engineer.


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Re: Scientist charged with making drugs in his Springfield home(NJ) [Re: fapjack]
    #21846549 - 06/23/15 03:51 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I don't understand how he got caught. People buy crack, weed, and meth through the dark net all the time. What makes this so different?


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Re: Scientist charged with making drugs in his Springfield home(NJ) [Re: Ihateyou]
    #21846594 - 06/23/15 04:05 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

It's not the darknet and he probably imported it, that's why customs found it.
Maybe he bought it from his own company, then they notifyed the cops.


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Re: Scientist charged with making drugs in his Springfield home(NJ) [Re: Ihateyou]
    #21854934 - 06/25/15 12:23 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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I don't understand how he got caught. People buy crack, weed, and meth through the dark net all the time. What makes this so different?





Because GBL has a very large volume, so it is easy for customs to find.  Appears as though they have figured out that wheel cleaner from Poland is not so legit.


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Re: Scientist charged with making drugs in his Springfield home(NJ) [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #21871950 - 06/29/15 04:42 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Sucks. someone big and black needs to give it back to all the date rapists who ruined G for everyone. Not to mention hurt people (females involved in actual date rape crimes involving G), and made it impossible for people who truly enjoy this substance (which, even as gbl, i would say is much safer than alcohol). There is nothing wrong with gbl or ghb and as erowid suggests, all GHB should be blue. GBL tastes pretty horrible already, and like i said above, im sure alcohol is used with the intent of date rape and at very least "this will make it easier to fuck", and thats socially acceptable now. its much more likely that sexual assault or harassment will happen with alcohol. Compared to that, G has a much safer profile. If it was all food colored, and the stigma removed, then there would be very little threat coming from GHB/Gbl.


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Re: Scientist charged with making drugs in his Springfield home(NJ) [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #21954131 - 07/16/15 10:35 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I don't understand how he got caught. People buy crack, weed, and meth through the dark net all the time. What makes this so different?





Because GBL has a very large volume, so it is easy for customs to find.  Appears as though they have figured out that wheel cleaner from Poland is not so legit.





On top of this Alan is the fact that the member we know and care about had confinscated packages prior. I would bet the article in the OP had a similiar situation.

I had read through the DEA's procedure before, since GBL is a legitimate industrial chem there is some leway about its importing and ownership. But if larger shipments are brought in, or you pass over a volume/time then it's a no no unless you have the proper paperwork.

You can basically roll the dice, and try an import. They won't bust in your door the firs time unless you're being absurd with the qnty. Otherwise they send you a note to claim ownership, which you ignore, unless your dumb. If you keep it up, they kick in your door.


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Re: Scientist charged with making drugs in his Springfield home(NJ) [Re: FunnyLight]
    #21954847 - 07/17/15 05:27 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I wouldn't bank that they wouldn't kick your door in based on other people's past experiences, GBL is still a list 1 chemical specifically listed in the Date-Rape Drug Prohibition Act.  I know that's how customs is with a lot of a lot of drugs, but it doesn't mean they will let it go all the time regardless if it's a small amount.  They can still alert authorities and do a CD.


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Re: Scientist charged with making drugs in his Springfield home(NJ) [Re: fapjack]
    #21962002 - 07/18/15 07:31 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)


"....GHB charge bail set @200 000 USD "of manufacturing a controlled dangerous substance" in a production facility, a first-degree crime...."

"First-degree crimes carry a maximum penalty upon BYD conviction of 20 years in prison. Second-degree crimes are punishable by a maximum 10 years in prison upon BYD conviction."





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Re: Scientist charged with making drugs in his Springfield home(NJ) [Re: PsilocybinMan]
    #21966626 - 07/19/15 06:50 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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