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Stones on oats and coffee
    #21827667 - 06/19/15 11:00 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

So I've seen stones with rye berries but not oats or coffee so I just knocked up a verrryyy large spawn bag of 4/5 oats and 1/5th coffee grounds with a full plate of tampensis LI.

I'll report back if anything epic happens. Last time I did stones I noticed my wbs was incredibly dry when I harvested and I'm hoping the water capacity of oats might make for meatier stones.


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Re: Stones on oats and coffee [Re: maddchef]
    #21827688 - 06/19/15 11:04 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)



oats and coffee are all I use


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Re: Stones on oats and coffee [Re: mush madness]
    #21827732 - 06/19/15 11:16 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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oats and coffee are all I use




Whats your ratio?


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Re: Stones on oats and coffee [Re: Hashish]
    #21827789 - 06/19/15 11:30 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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mush madness said:


oats and coffee are all I use




Whats your ratio?






I usually do 2 gallon batches

I start with 1gallon dry whole oats

1/2 cup instant coffee

3 1/2 gallons of water

Simmer for 60 to 75 minutes testing the oats every 5 minutes after a hour for moisture content

It gives me 4 1/2 gallon jars 3/4 full and a 1 qt 3/4 full

I pcfor 3 hours at 15 psi


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Re: Stones on oats and coffee [Re: mush madness]
    #21830744 - 06/20/15 12:10 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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mush madness said:
It gives me 4 1/2 gallon jars 3/4 full and a 1 qt 3/4 full




Have you any idea of the added water weight. i.e. does 100g dry oats become 200g after simmering?

I am going to try oats for stones too and planned on simmering in coffee, not leaving the grounds in though.

I know RR highly recommended coffee for stimulating stones. As madchef says oats can take on a good amount of moisture, anybody who has harvested stones will have seen how dried up the grains end up, my rice looked drier than uncooked rice. I tried adding sterile water to sclerotia grows before but it didn't really seem to take it on.

I am also going to try mixing colonised grain with coir for moisture reasons.


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Re: Stones on oats and coffee [Re: blackout]
    #21831532 - 06/20/15 07:41 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Anyone ever try willsolvems polymer casing idea but with stones? I dunno how they'd stand up to any heat though.


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Re: Stones on oats and coffee [Re: maddchef]
    #21831847 - 06/20/15 09:57 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Whole oats work great for stones. They take on a bunch of water.



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Re: Stones on oats and coffee [Re: blackout]
    #21831878 - 06/20/15 10:12 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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mush madness said:
It gives me 4 1/2 gallon jars 3/4 full and a 1 qt 3/4 full




Have you any idea of the added water weight. i.e. does 100g dry oats become 200g after simmering?

I am going to try oats for stones too and planned on simmering in coffee, not leaving the grounds in though.

I know RR highly recommended coffee for stimulating stones. As madchef says oats can take on a good amount of moisture, anybody who has harvested stones will have seen how dried up the grains end up, my rice looked drier than uncooked rice. I tried adding sterile water to sclerotia grows before but it didn't really seem to take it on.

I am also going to try mixing colonised grain with coir for moisture reasons.




I don't have any idea how much waters they take on by weight, I dont have a scale large enough to see.

I can say with certainty that it is more than rye, plus imo you have the benefit of the bran with whole oats.

There's a thread that showed that whole oats outperformed rye berries and all other grain for stones,  it was not a massive yield difference between rye and oats but was noticeable.

I read to hydrate your grain before casing if fruiting somewhere on here,  not sure if it was sunstone or not but the results spoke for themselves. I am yet to fruit any.

I was trying to run a experiment on the whole light produces larger stones than dark but fell short,  need to try again.  I used 5 micron bags and ended up with contamination before full colonization, imo you need 2 micron bags for stones if using bags over jars.

I can say that I had 2 half gallon jars and 2 quart jars that I was running side by side that are now in the dark due to the ones in the light had very small stones while the ones in the dark were already producing nice size stones,  same isolate.

My theory is the sunlight warming the side of the glass produces condensation that aids in stone production on the side facing the light,  this is completely unproven but I definitely want to run a control in the future again


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Re: Stones on oats and coffee [Re: mush madness]
    #21831967 - 06/20/15 10:48 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

SB-2 was the one who ran that experiment with the different grains.

That pic I posted above is a test run on a project I'm doing.


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Re: Stones on oats and coffee [Re: Grey]
    #21831984 - 06/20/15 10:54 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Much madness, you pc for 3 hrs??
and why not mix some verm with grains?


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Re: Stones on oats and coffee [Re: oontribe]
    #21832005 - 06/20/15 11:00 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Much madness, you pc for 3 hrs??
and why not mix some verm with grains?




I pc half gallons for 3 hours,  quarts for 2 hours,  half pints 1.5 hours,  bags I do a double run now 5 hours first day and 5.5 hours the second all at 15 psi

I never ran this long in the past but ran into some issues,  now I run long. Better safe than sorry imo

Verm is for substrate not jars, plus i dont want to eat verm


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Re: Stones on oats and coffee [Re: mush madness] * 1
    #21832079 - 06/20/15 11:32 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Chewing on Verm is like chewing an eggshell. I can't stand that Feeling.


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Re: Stones on oats and coffee [Re: Grey]
    #21832098 - 06/20/15 11:37 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Lol yea...


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Re: Stones on oats and coffee [Re: Grey]
    #21834814 - 06/21/15 12:09 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Would you say oats are better than rye berries for stones?


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Re: Stones on oats and coffee [Re: blackout]
    #21834829 - 06/21/15 12:12 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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mush madness said:
It gives me 4 1/2 gallon jars 3/4 full and a 1 qt 3/4 full




Have you any idea of the added water weight. i.e. does 100g dry oats become 200g after simmering?

I am going to try oats for stones too and planned on simmering in coffee, not leaving the grounds in though.

I know RR highly recommended coffee for stimulating stones. As madchef says oats can take on a good amount of moisture, anybody who has harvested stones will have seen how dried up the grains end up, my rice looked drier than uncooked rice. I tried adding sterile water to sclerotia grows before but it didn't really seem to take it on.

I am also going to try mixing colonised grain with coir for moisture reasons.



I've found that mushrooms love the coffee grounds. Also my rye berries were never that dry I even dumped them back into the jars and got a second, more potent, and slightly better flush.

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Would you say oats are better than rye berries for stones?



Rye berries all the way.


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Re: Stones on oats and coffee [Re: YaMoonSun] * 1
    #21836445 - 06/21/15 10:57 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Would you say oats are better than rye berries for stones?




I personally would say yes, oats slightly produces better than rye berries.

Oats are also far less expensive in my area,  cost is something I personally take into account.

If rye is cheapest in your area use rye, if its oats use oats. They are both great


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Re: Stones on oats and coffee [Re: mush madness]
    #21836651 - 06/21/15 11:54 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Would you say oats are better than rye berries for stones?




I personally would say yes, oats slightly produces better than rye berries.

Oats are also far less expensive in my area,  cost is something I personally take into account.

If rye is cheapest in your area use rye, if its oats use oats. They are both great




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