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wildernessjunkie
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Re: "1zip per quart and youre on point" -monotub [Re: new2doinstuff]
#21835364 - 06/21/15 03:24 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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new2doinstuff said: I'm talking dry weight, just so we're aware here.... 8-12 DRY?
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Re: "1zip per quart and youre on point" -monotub [Re: wildernessjunkie]
#21835400 - 06/21/15 03:39 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Just had a 66 quart Penis Envy clone mono with 6 quarts of oat/wbs spawn push out 8+ ounces first flush.
On the other hand, I had a Mazatapec ms tub with 5 quarts push out 4 ounces first flush despite being a wall to wall pinset. The fruits were plentiful but rather small.
I know my conditions are perfect. My spawn is clean. My subs are mixed well, prepped perfectly, and brought to field capacity. Genetics are a very large factor in yield. Good genetics+perfect conditions=
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Re: "1zip per quart and youre on point" -monotub [Re: new2doinstuff]
#21835775 - 06/21/15 08:03 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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2oz per quart should be atainable. 1oz/quart first flush, .5oz/qt each second and third flush.
10 sounds high. Typically it would be 4-6qt for a 66qt.
Typically, any size monotub will have 4 inches of substrate. Opinions on spawn to bulk ratios vary. Usually something between 1:1.5 and 1:3 is used. You can simply fill the tub up to the 4" line with measured water to determine the capacity up to 4", then water the garden with your tub afterward.
1:1 ratios would tend towards requiring lots of dunking. 1:3 and above would tend towards low yields from the same sapce that don't require dunking
I think 16qts of sub is the most standard, 1 brick of coir, 2qt verm, 6qt spawn.
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I spawned some popcorn casings and had double-overlay cause I didn't put enough hydrogen peroxide in my automated aquarium mister. I only got one mushroom so I cut off the head part where the seeds fall from and put it in a jar of LC and sprayed it all over a tin of PF cakes I made with gravel, cardboard, and bisquick in my microwave. I think it will be good cause B+ is so potent. Triggered yet? Only a square would say "a cube is a cube."
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Re: "1zip per quart and youre on point" -monotub [Re: Machiavelliavore]
#21836981 - 06/21/15 01:13 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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To be clear though. The 8-12 is measured over the life of the tub, not per flush. Usually Ill do two flushes, 3 if I'm lazy and don't want to deal with clean up.
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Re: "1zip per quart and youre on point" -monotub [Re: wildernessjunkie]
#21837972 - 06/21/15 05:10 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I live in a place where getting rid of the excess dirt may be a little suspicious, which is a problem. sugestion?
Horse-poop seems like its gonna actually be a hassle to get... and remove. coir/verm seems like the best idea so far.. so many people have told me to do that. Can I use birdseed as the grain jar to transfer from agar, instead of popcorn? and what kind of birdseed?
so it should be like 2oz dry per quart, per flush? and after that it goes to 1, and .5, right? that last post confused me a bit. someone said something about the first round going five or sometimes six flushes with a New tub? seems crazy.
update on the grow also: they are going very strong started spotting tuesday, now almost all of the agar is nearly GONE, and I'm about to transfer to other jars... all of the spots look like a child would draw a sun, but fuzzier. Not too thick, not like a cotton-ball... I think I'll just use these as a master. Stick em in the fridge, and spoon them out to pint jars, put them into birdseed, and then into tubs.. (I thought I had half pint, this is gonna be a little bit of a pain to cut and move them, but it'll be aight. I'll just get longer tweezers. Unless someone has alternate suggestion.
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Re: "1zip per quart and youre on point" -monotub [Re: new2doinstuff]
#21838040 - 06/21/15 05:24 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Wild Bird Seed will be fine. It should be composed of Millet and Milo mostly. It's preferable that it not contain sun flower seeds or cracked corn, though I haven't had issues with either. WBS is quite preferable to popcorn from what I've heard. Walmart WBS is only like 33c/lbs.
2oz total per quart. 1oz first flush, .5oz second flush, .5oz third flush. Just a guideline.
I'm not sure exactly what you are talking about with the agar. To transfer it to a jar, I beleive whacking it free inside the container it's in, then dropping it into a grain jar as quickly as possible is the cleanest way. Otherwise you can slice it up with a knife in the air box and drop wedges into jars, though this will increase the time the agar is opened quite a bit.
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I spawned some popcorn casings and had double-overlay cause I didn't put enough hydrogen peroxide in my automated aquarium mister. I only got one mushroom so I cut off the head part where the seeds fall from and put it in a jar of LC and sprayed it all over a tin of PF cakes I made with gravel, cardboard, and bisquick in my microwave. I think it will be good cause B+ is so potent. Triggered yet? Only a square would say "a cube is a cube."
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Re: "1zip per quart and youre on point" -monotub [Re: Machiavelliavore]
#21838119 - 06/21/15 05:40 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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You can't put solid numbers on any of this. There are way too many variables at play. Youll know what to expect once you have a good clone/isolate and a solid process figured out. Until then you're kinda taking a shit in the dark and hoping to get lucky.
I've found that you hit a point of diminishing returns after the second flush. At the third flush you can start expecting something to turn green.
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Re: "1zip per quart and youre on point" -monotub [Re: wildernessjunkie]
#21838181 - 06/21/15 05:53 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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wildernessjunkie said: You can't put solid numbers on any of this. There are way too many variables at play. Youll know what to expect once you have a good clone/isolate and a solid process figured out. Until then you're kinda taking a shit in the dark and hoping to get lucky.
I've found that you hit a point of diminishing returns after the second flush. At the third flush you can start expecting something to turn green.
Exactly
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Re: "1zip per quart and youre on point" -monotub [Re: mushmagic]
#21838210 - 06/21/15 06:00 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Hehehe....meant to say "Shot in the dark". But I'm not editing that out cuz its still right. And funny.
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TheEaglesGift
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Re: "1zip per quart and youre on point" -monotub [Re: wildernessjunkie]
#21838562 - 06/21/15 07:18 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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wildernessjunkie said: You can't put solid numbers on any of this. There are way too many variables at play. Youll know what to expect once you have a good clone/isolate and a solid process figured out. Until then you're kinda taking a shit in the dark and hoping to get lucky.
I've found that you hit a point of diminishing returns after the second flush. At the third flush you can start expecting something to turn green.
Exactly.
I try to get 80 percent of my fruits in the first flush. My first flushes with the PE clone I'm growing out are usually so massive that the 2nd flush is a joke. I wish the 2nd flush would do better. I even dunked the subs. Can't complain with 8 ounces first flush from 6 quarts of grain.
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Re: "1zip per quart and youre on point" -monotub [Re: TheEaglesGift]
#21838825 - 06/21/15 07:58 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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All of you guys are getting this noob excited for nothing.
I seriously doubt he will get an oz per qt of spawn, I'd be guessing half that. Sorry but its true. And the wall to wall flushes you see on here are more than likely a well tested clone done by a serious cultivator. Generally you get the most out of the first flush, then it starts decreasing. Its already used so much energy. Don't expect to get 4oz first flush them 4oz your second.
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Re: "1zip per quart and youre on point" -monotub [Re: Buck513]
#21838907 - 06/21/15 08:06 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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All of you guys are getting this noob excited for nothing.
I tend to agree, sadly. If he really follows everything to a t and doesn't fuck up, it's possible though.
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wildernessjunkie
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Re: "1zip per quart and youre on point" -monotub [Re: TheEaglesGift]
#21839494 - 06/21/15 09:50 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Not gonna argue with that.
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Re: "1zip per quart and youre on point" -monotub [Re: wildernessjunkie]
#21840045 - 06/21/15 11:57 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yeah a zip per quart and you're alright but there are a lot of factors involved. A four quart multispore mono should put out a qp per first two flushes. But 8 to 10 oz is not unheard of with killer genetics.
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Re: "1zip per quart and youre on point" -monotub [Re: elasticaltiger]
#21840246 - 06/22/15 12:56 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I've hit 2.3 off a 1qt pan @ 1:1.5 cvg, multispore w/ dunks in what I expect are not optimal fruiting conditions, it's not done yet (4F incoming,) and I'm a scrub. Maybe I got lucky, but other pans seem to be performing similarly.
On the other hand my tub is sucking a bag of d's. It didn't seem too keen on colonizing the casing though. Maybe just a shitty iso. I'm expecting a month or two of torturous scraggly flushes.
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I spawned some popcorn casings and had double-overlay cause I didn't put enough hydrogen peroxide in my automated aquarium mister. I only got one mushroom so I cut off the head part where the seeds fall from and put it in a jar of LC and sprayed it all over a tin of PF cakes I made with gravel, cardboard, and bisquick in my microwave. I think it will be good cause B+ is so potent. Triggered yet? Only a square would say "a cube is a cube."
No, this does not look right...
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Re: "1zip per quart and youre on point" -monotub [Re: Machiavelliavore]
#21840323 - 06/22/15 01:23 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Pans are a whole nother issue.
I thought we were talking Cubes in this thread. Am I mistaken? I fwel like I may have missed something here....
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Re: "1zip per quart and youre on point" -monotub [Re: wildernessjunkie]
#21840332 - 06/22/15 01:27 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Tinfoil pans with shotgunned plastic lids, like you might take a lasagnia to a party in.
Sub depth ~ 1.5-2in
I'm pretty sure I'd be a God if I could produce that much pans from a quart.
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I spawned some popcorn casings and had double-overlay cause I didn't put enough hydrogen peroxide in my automated aquarium mister. I only got one mushroom so I cut off the head part where the seeds fall from and put it in a jar of LC and sprayed it all over a tin of PF cakes I made with gravel, cardboard, and bisquick in my microwave. I think it will be good cause B+ is so potent. Triggered yet? Only a square would say "a cube is a cube."
No, this does not look right...
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Re: "1zip per quart and youre on point" -monotub [Re: Machiavelliavore]
#21840346 - 06/22/15 01:34 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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You would totally be a god if that were the case.
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Re: "1zip per quart and youre on point" -monotub [Re: wildernessjunkie]
#21840500 - 06/22/15 02:58 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I'm not sure if it was clear but I meant that each flush should put out 4oz with 4qts of spawn.
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Re: "1zip per quart and youre on point" -monotub [Re: Buck513]
#21872014 - 06/29/15 05:29 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Buck513 said: All of you guys are getting this noob excited for nothing.
I seriously doubt he will get an oz per qt of spawn, I'd be guessing half that. Sorry but its true. And the wall to wall flushes you see on here are more than likely a well tested clone done by a serious cultivator. Generally you get the most out of the first flush, then it starts decreasing. Its already used so much energy. Don't expect to get 4oz first flush them 4oz your second.
Growing with grain for the first time? Say hello to contamination
Not necessarily. Thats a pretty pessimistic outlook. If one treats grains with care, and theyve at least done a BRF experiment before, i dont see any reason why it should fail. If you have a PC and follow directions id say its easier than PF tek (if*...and proper sterile procedure but thats for PF tek too) If there were as many simplified pictorials for noobs (Franks is great for pretty much all grain stuff) it would be just as simple. Just that most beginners do not have PCs and dont have their procedure down yet
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elasticaltiger said: I'm not sure if it was clear but I meant that each flush should put out 4oz with 4qts of spawn.
i tend to use 4qts of spawn per project, it def can go up to like a QP. But id say *typically* 4qts gives me 2oz flushes, usually 2 of them, and then another 50g or so over the last 2 flushes. id say average is like 4-5 o's. But again uts the strain/genes that really seems to make a difference.
One of the most obvious things i noticed with almost ALL strains though. First flush is usually small fruit. Second and on gets HUMONGOUS. No more tons of little potent fruit. Nope. Just monsters. And i also feel like i get two "first flushes" if that makes sense to anyone... Basically i like to wait till the very beginning of pinning before fruiting conditions (youre just gonna wait for it to pin anyway, might as well do it in vitro), and when i see pins, i start fruiting. Thing is, these first pins grow out, theyre small. Theyre joined by a bunch more and give off a pretty nice flush, but then it really turns into a forest. The first flush for me basically comes in two waves and is the only flush that gives off small fruit. Sometimes i actually want smaller fruit but i guess if theyre getting that big, something is being done right... Cant really complain lol.
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