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Re: So I googled "why are liberals so stupid" [Re: Gottaloveacid]
    #21829172 - 06/19/15 06:04 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Wealthy people are more conservative because it costs them less money than high liberal taxes.




it costs everyone less money, that's what liberals don't understand.  A big reason most people are poor in the first place is because of liberal economic policies.  They caused the crash of 2008 which we still have not recovered from.  Things are worse, actually.  They have empowered oligarchical bankers and politicians who basically "hacked" the system and are using a "game breaking" bug exploit; The federal reserve.  they have also gone international and are "installing" this virus globally and employing international mercinaries. They like socialism because it creates centralized power and handouts create a populace of obedient, dependent, flag wavers.  We are all more prosperous if we can unchain the bonds of overly big government and tyranny,  that's what freedom and liberty is supposed to be about.  It was a revolutionary idea, extremely liberal for the time; when monarchs and oligarchs ruled the nations.  I fear we have now reverted back to that time, only now technology has increased our destructive capability.


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Re: So I googled "why are liberals so stupid" [Re: Stonehenge]
    #21829182 - 06/19/15 06:06 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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I see the usual liberal "argument' which is just name calling. That is the only thing they do well. If you try to discuss economics they get flustered and fall apart. If you discuss politics, all they know to say is "its the conservatives fault"

When fools dictate prices, supply dries up. We've seen this over and over. They try to dictate wages and jobs go overseas.




Every modern country lose manufacturing jobs too developing countries. It's the natural order. Commercial and high tech development is where the money is at. We don't need guys screwing the same screw all day 1000 times anymore. Let the Chinese do the shitty jobs.

The industrial sector should technically consist of natural resource development and other "here cause it's here" things. The only industrial we should have is the high tech (nuclear, space stuff, thigs you can't build 10000 of in an hour). The rest should be commercial, trade, service, sales, and knowledge exchange. research, software. B2C stuff.


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Re: So I googled "why are liberals so stupid" [Re: Patlal]
    #21829185 - 06/19/15 06:07 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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The problem with conservative is that their ideology doesn't work in the real world. Try and try again, it always fails. Religious belief is a belief in something without evidence. Conservative ideology is even worse than religious belief - it is a belief in something that has been disproven. Repeatedly.




Let me stop you right there before you become the mirror image of those you are arguing against.

Conservatism does work.

It works pretty damm well too.

Conservatism built post war USA into a nuclear power house. Conservatism saved Canada from being as deep in shit as the US in 2008. Conservatism right now, is the reason why we don't have a deficit anymore despite the rest of developed nations struggling to breath.

Too much conservatism will sink you. Just like too much liberalism destroyed Green France and Spain.

Its never black and white. There are after all 50 shades of grey




Bullshit! The biggest change in American economic polices ever occurred in the late 30s and early 40s. And it was DISTINCTLY not conservative. It was, in fact, about as socialist as American economics has ever been. That is what made the US an economic powerhouse. This is completely separate from our military prowess. Remember that Eisenhower may have been a military guy, but he also believed in socialist ideals like building a government funded highway system.




Back then building highways was a "liberal" policy. Today it's just common sense from both sides. Plus, highways were a concept from from the 1900s that was first implemented and proven to be effective by Hitler. Eisenhower copied Germny on that one.

Perhaps the 1930s and late 40s were liberal. But it didn't take long before the conservative point of view took over. It also coincides with the thriving boomers of the 70s up to the late 90s





Actually the national highway system was for military self-defense.


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Re: So I googled "why are liberals so stupid" [Re: Shins]
    #21829190 - 06/19/15 06:08 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Let me stop you right there before you become the mirror image of those you are arguing against.

Conservatism does work.

It works pretty damm well too.

Conservatism built post war USA into a nuclear power house. Conservatism saved Canada from being as deep in shit as the US in 2008. Conservatism right now, is the reason why we don't have a deficit anymore despite the rest of developed nations struggling to breath.

Too much conservatism will sink you. Just like too much liberalism destroyed Green France and Spain.

Its never black and white. There are after all 50 shades of grey




Bullshit! The biggest change in American economic polices ever occurred in the late 30s and early 40s. And it was DISTINCTLY not conservative. It was, in fact, about as socialist as American economics has ever been. That is what made the US an economic powerhouse. This is completely separate from our military prowess. Remember that Eisenhower may have been a military guy, but he also believed in socialist ideals like building a government funded highway system.




Back then building highways was a "liberal" policy. Today it's just common sense from both sides. Plus, highways were a concept from from the 1900s that was first implemented and proven to be effective by Hitler. Eisenhower copied Germny on that one.

Perhaps the 1930s and late 40s were liberal. But it didn't take long before the conservative point of view took over. It also coincides with the thriving boomers of the 70s up to the late 90s





Actually the national highway system was for military self-defense.




The same reason why Hitler built the autobahn system in Germany


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Re: So I googled "why are liberals so stupid" [Re: Shins]
    #21829193 - 06/19/15 06:08 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Liberal policies caused the 2008 crash? LOL

Let's see, Bill Clinton... Best economy in 50 years. George Bush... Worst economy in 50 years. Remember what I said earlier about conservatives loving to make up their own facts.


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Re: So I googled "why are liberals so stupid" [Re: koods]
    #21829201 - 06/19/15 06:10 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

liberals = 2
conservatives = 0

take that obama


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Re: So I googled "why are liberals so stupid" [Re: Stonehenge]
    #21829217 - 06/19/15 06:14 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I've never blamed a "conservative" for anything because i've never seen conservative policies on a national level.

as far as liberal name calling goes, i try and stay out of this kind of political discussion as much as i can, because when i say conservatives sound like trolls, i mean the conservative rhetoric literally sounds like nonsense to me.  Like the OP post.  To me, it reads like one of asantes posts, so completely self referential that there is nothing for a person outside of that viewpoint to digest.

Like, we clearly don't like in a conservative world so I got no real reason to be spooked, but it seems like its trying to force a negative reaction (to create the imaginary dichotomy that i mentioned above).

I dunno, i'm like non political so i find it hard to support broad generalities based on like very basic ideals.  politically I only care about like, solving specific problems with data driven solutions or whatever.


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Re: So I googled "why are liberals so stupid" [Re: koods]
    #21829218 - 06/19/15 06:14 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Liberal policies caused the 2008 crash? LOL

Let's see, Bill Clinton... Best economy in 50 years. George Bush... Worst economy in 50 years. Remember what I said earlier about conservatives loving to make up their own facts.



Yes, they did.  Why was there a bank crisis?  Because a shit ton of assholes didn't pay their mortgages.  Why did so many assholes have mortgages?  Because Clinton and Cuomo vastly expanded the CRA and activity of Fannie and Freddie.  Liberal policies.  The government shouldn't be involved at all


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Re: So I googled "why are liberals so stupid" [Re: koods]
    #21829221 - 06/19/15 06:14 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Liberal policies caused the 2008 crash? LOL

Let's see, Bill Clinton... Best economy in 50 years. George Bush... Worst economy in 50 years. Remember what I said earlier about conservatives loving to make up their own facts.




I don't understand,  bill clinton, george bush? What do you mean?


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Re: So I googled "why are liberals so stupid" [Re: koods]
    #21829237 - 06/19/15 06:18 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Liberal policies caused the 2008 crash? LOL

Let's see, Bill Clinton... Best economy in 50 years. George Bush... Worst economy in 50 years. Remember what I said earlier about conservatives loving to make up their own facts.




Fantasyland.  Bill Clinton gets credit for a Republican Congress?  I think not.  George Bush gets blamed for the results of Clinton's policies that didn't involve Congress because he just expanded Dem policies that were enacted by a Dem Congress when Carter was president?  You really have not one clue about what happened


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Re: So I googled "why are liberals so stupid" [Re: zappaisgod] * 1
    #21829255 - 06/19/15 06:22 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Ah, so Clinton doesn't get the credit for his economy, but gets the blame for George Bush's? You people are ridiculous.


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Re: So I googled "why are liberals so stupid" [Re: koods]
    #21829298 - 06/19/15 06:28 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

It was his policy to expand what was enacted by a Dem Congress during the Carter years to expand the CRA and role of Fannie and Freddie.  They are what caused the bank crisis.  Which wasn't really a crisis.  The economy was actually awesome for most of the Bush years.  Booming, in fact.


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Re: So I googled "why are liberals so stupid" [Re: zappaisgod]
    #21829306 - 06/19/15 06:29 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Buncha liberals eating kale in this thread.


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Re: So I googled "why are liberals so stupid" [Re: koods]
    #21829317 - 06/19/15 06:30 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Ah, so Clinton doesn't get the credit for his economy, but gets the blame for George Bush's? You people are ridiculous.




Had the crash happen in the first term of Bush, I could have believed that Clinton was responsible for it. The crash happened in his last year of presidency. It's too far away from Clinton to say he's resposible.

Hell even if it was obvious bad clinton policy, Bush had 7 years, to say or do something about it. That also includes a few years where both the House and Senate ha a republican majority at the same time.

Even major policy changes such as Obamacare come in full effect in max 5 to 6 years. There's no way you could blame Clinton for 2008 and say Bush had nothing to do about it. It's just not plausible.


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Re: So I googled "why are liberals so stupid" [Re: koods]
    #21829323 - 06/19/15 06:31 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Ah, so Clinton doesn't get the credit for his economy, but gets the blame for George Bush's? You people are ridiculous.




In economics, time is an element.  Economic policies can take time to develop, mature, and even eventually go wrong.  Too often liberals are only concerned with immediate results, and neglect the long term consequences.

whenever I see someone blaming one president or another for the economy, I know for sure they do not understand even basic economics.  Besides, the federal reserve and big banks also had tremendous influence, and they are not eleted.

clinton and bush were both collaborating with the banks and wall st, they are both to blame.

actually,  its the loser American population who is to blame for electing people who tolerate that.


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Re: So I googled "why are liberals so stupid" [Re: zappaisgod]
    #21829344 - 06/19/15 06:33 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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It was his policy to expand what was enacted by a Dem Congress during the Carter years to expand the CRA and role of Fannie and Freddie.  They are what caused the bank crisis.  Which wasn't really a crisis.  The economy was actually awesome for most of the Bush years.  Booming, in fact.





Boom and bust is the liberal way.

ponzi economy.


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Re: So I googled "why are liberals so stupid" [Re: Patlal]
    #21829370 - 06/19/15 06:38 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Ah, so Clinton doesn't get the credit for his economy, but gets the blame for George Bush's? You people are ridiculous.




Had the crash happen in the first term of Bush, I could have believed that Clinton was responsible for it. The crash happened in his last year of presidency. It's too far away from Clinton to say he's resposible.

Hell even if it was obvious bad clinton policy, Bush had 7 years, to say or do something about it. That also includes a few years where both the House and Senate ha a republican majority at the same time.

Even major policy changes such as Obamacare come in full effect in max 5 to 6 years. There's no way you could blame Clinton for 2008 and say Bush had nothing to do about it. It's just not plausible.




He did say something about it and so did Greenspan.  But the assholes Maxine Waters and Bernie Sanders on the finance committee said it was poopoo and there was nothing to worry about.  These are facts.  There was no incentive to cut the stupid loans out and by then it was too late anyway.  I got a prescription to prevent this shit.  Get the government out.  Let the banks decide who they want to lend to and let them take the consequences of their decision.  The amount of mortgage debt the government holds is obscene


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Re: So I googled "why are liberals so stupid" [Re: zZZz]
    #21829375 - 06/19/15 06:39 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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so u;re a conservative ey? :eyebrow:

always assuming u;re correct, typical conservative behavior





I explained that I'm a moderate, not a conservative except for finances. But that went right over your head. Its the left that always assumes they are right because they "feel" like its right. The conservatives prove it with hard facts and figures, but the left just waves it away because they feel its not the right thing.

>liberals = 2
conservatives = 0

>take that obama

Drunk on left wing moonshine again? More like libs 0 everyone else 42

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It will come crashing down soon enough. They will predictably take no blame but point fingers at the conservatives who tried to keep it from happening.


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Re: So I googled "why are liberals so stupid" [Re: Stonehenge]
    #21829430 - 06/19/15 06:47 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

When it comes crashing down they will point fingers and say "see? Capitalism doesn't work!"


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Re: So I googled "why are liberals so stupid" [Re: Stonehenge]
    #21829435 - 06/19/15 06:48 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Liberal policies caused the 2008 crash? LOL

Let's see, Bill Clinton... Best economy in 50 years. George Bush... Worst economy in 50 years. Remember what I said earlier about conservatives loving to make up their own facts.




Fantasyland.  Bill Clinton gets credit for a Republican Congress?  I think not.  George Bush gets blamed for the results of Clinton's policies that didn't involve Congress because he just expanded Dem policies that were enacted by a Dem Congress when Carter was president?  You really have not one clue about what happened




you mean the republican congress that shut down the gov't and held the economy hostage? (i'll-advised in retrospect; just ask newt) Or the republican congress that spent like 2 years to decide to tell Clinton he was a bad bad boy?(ill-advised in retrospect; stand-up comedians love this one)


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