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Re: So I googled "why are liberals so stupid" [Re: koods]
    #21828595 - 06/19/15 03:21 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Corporations pay nowhere near a 35% rate there are so many loopholes and write offs.

If you proposed a 15% corporate tax rate but also proposed that all write offs would be eliminated, corporations would fight it tooth and nail.



A lot of them do pay that and I have no problem with eliminating preferences for certain corporations.  My solution?  Zero corporate tax.


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Re: So I googled "why are liberals so stupid" [Re: Gottaloveacid]
    #21828627 - 06/19/15 03:32 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Conservatives are not against the poor, they are the complete opposite.  The only people who say they are are people who are too sinple minded to understand how economics works.




LOLOLOLOLOL

YES THEY ARE

You really are full of yourself aren't you? Holy shit


Conservatives are against welfare, they want to require an ID to vote, they expect poor people to get jobs. I ALREADY MENTIONED all this numerous times in this thread and would rather not have to bring it back up again.

The burning question which I already asked is, how do you expect a smelly, dirty homeless person who was that way ever since they were a helpless child get a job? Exactly, no one will hire them. The point of liberalism is to help them get back on their feet so they CAN get a job. Liberalism ISN'T about giving people free money to live on. That is an incorrect idea many conservatives hold.


Zappa said that conservatives  aren't against the poor, that they don't discriminate. Then he turned around and said that he would never hire a dirty, smelly homeless person. That is discrimination. You think they can help themselves? No, they can't when conservatives won't give them the hand they need. On top of that, he said that homeless people are stupid because other homeless people steal from them when sleeping. First off, they can't do shit about that (again because of conservative ideology) and secondly, that is also discriminatory.





Conservatives have strong work ethics. As do I. Conservatives expect dirty homeless people to get a job and if they can't, it is their own fault. That is the stupidest shit I have ever heard. Goes back to the whole they think they're better than everyone else thing.




I wouldn't hire an unskilled idiot either.  Is that discrimination?  Discrimination is useful.  It is why I didn't hire lots of people.  I discriminated against people who didn't have a car, a phone and skills.  It is also permitted to not hire drunk smelly idiots without skills.

By the way, I am better than them.  They are fucking losers and I have achieved a lot and contributed to society.  They suck.  An ID costs less than what they spend on alcohol and cigarettes in 3 days.  Do you really want these fucking loser idiots to vote?  Democrats do.  They'll round these 'tards up, put 'em in a bus and give them a cheese sandwich and take them to the polls.  What does that say about your electoral con freres?.


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Re: So I googled "why are liberals so stupid" [Re: zappaisgod]
    #21828675 - 06/19/15 03:41 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)


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Gottaloveacid said:
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Conservatives are not against the poor, they are the complete opposite.  The only people who say they are are people who are too sinple minded to understand how economics works.




LOLOLOLOLOL

YES THEY ARE

You really are full of yourself aren't you? Holy shit


Conservatives are against welfare, they want to require an ID to vote, they expect poor people to get jobs. I ALREADY MENTIONED all this numerous times in this thread and would rather not have to bring it back up again.

The burning question which I already asked is, how do you expect a smelly, dirty homeless person who was that way ever since they were a helpless child get a job? Exactly, no one will hire them. The point of liberalism is to help them get back on their feet so they CAN get a job. Liberalism ISN'T about giving people free money to live on. That is an incorrect idea many conservatives hold.


Zappa said that conservatives  aren't against the poor, that they don't discriminate. Then he turned around and said that he would never hire a dirty, smelly homeless person. That is discrimination. You think they can help themselves? No, they can't when conservatives won't give them the hand they need. On top of that, he said that homeless people are stupid because other homeless people steal from them when sleeping. First off, they can't do shit about that (again because of conservative ideology) and secondly, that is also discriminatory.





Conservatives have strong work ethics. As do I. Conservatives expect dirty homeless people to get a job and if they can't, it is their own fault. That is the stupidest shit I have ever heard. Goes back to the whole they think they're better than everyone else thing.




I wouldn't hire an unskilled idiot either.  Is that discrimination?  Discrimination is useful.  It is why I didn't hire lots of people.  I discriminated against people who didn't have a car, a phone and skills.  It is also permitted to not hire drunk smelly idiots without skills.

By the way, I am better than them.  They are fucking losers and I have achieved a lot and contributed to society.  They suck.  An ID costs less than what they spend on alcohol and cigarettes in 3 days.  Do you really want these fucking loser idiots to vote?  Democrats do.  They'll round these 'tards up, put 'em in a bus and give them a cheese sandwich and take them to the polls.  What does that say about your electoral con freres?.




Exactly my point. Not hiring someone because they just aren't good at a job is totally understandable, but not hiring them because they are poor or belong to a minority group is just insane.

Not everyone chooses to be poor. I don't see what is so hard to understand about that. I know I didn't choose to be poor, but no one would hire me because of my situation. Once I received support from liberal organizations, I was able to get enough money to get a job and go to college so I could get a job.

They aren't all drug addicts/alcoholics and most of them have no other choice.


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Re: So I googled "why are liberals so stupid" [Re: Gottaloveacid] * 2
    #21828738 - 06/19/15 03:56 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Less people would be poor if the country embraced more conservative economic ideals.  That's the point that liberals miss.  This is what conservatives want;  better economic opportunity.  All the socialist nonsense CREATES poverty because it distorts the market.  Then they say we need even more socialism to fix it.  How about instead of that, we try to prevent poverty in the first place by creating an economy with better opportunity?  That is how you truly solve poverty and what conservatives really want.


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Re: So I googled "why are liberals so stupid" [Re: Shins]
    #21828754 - 06/19/15 04:00 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Less people would be poor if the country embraced more conservative economic ideals.  That's the point that liberals miss.  This is what conservatives want;  better economic opportunity.  All the socialist nonsense CREATES poverty because it distorts the market.  Then they say we need even more socialism to fix it.  How about instead of that, we try to prevent poverty in the first place by creating an economy with better opportunity?  That is how you truly solve poverty and what conservatives really want.




The same can be said for both sides unfortunately

Trust me, if there was a surefire system, it would have been implemented already.

The reason I believe in welfare is because it has worked for me, and I know it can work for others. The conservative system is gambling whereas the liberal economic system is much more straight forward.


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Re: So I googled "why are liberals so stupid" [Re: Shins] * 1
    #21828768 - 06/19/15 04:06 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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u guys sound like ur talking about religions



Liberalism is a religion.  It is faith based and irrational.






Bingo!

Can I quote that?




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Re: So I googled "why are liberals so stupid" [Re: Gottaloveacid] * 1
    #21828775 - 06/19/15 04:08 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Less people would be poor if the country embraced more conservative economic ideals.  That's the point that liberals miss.  This is what conservatives want;  better economic opportunity.  All the socialist nonsense CREATES poverty because it distorts the market.  Then they say we need even more socialism to fix it.  How about instead of that, we try to prevent poverty in the first place by creating an economy with better opportunity?  That is how you truly solve poverty and what conservatives really want.




The same can be said for both sides unfortunately

Trust me, if there was a surefire system, it would have been implemented already.

The reason I believe in welfare is because it has worked for me, and I know it can work for others. The conservative system is gambling whereas the liberal economic system is much more straight forward.





Wouldn't you rather you did not need to go on welfare at all?  The conservative system is not gambling.  Running up massive national debts and empowering a ginormous authoritative government who sees its own citizens as the enemy is gambling.


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Re: So I googled "why are liberals so stupid" [Re: Shins]
    #21828781 - 06/19/15 04:11 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Conservatives are not against the poor, they are the complete opposite.  The only people who say they are are people who are too sinple minded to understand how economics works.




Of course, its idiotic for anyone to say those things and its always the usual suspects saying them.

Conservatives help the poor more than any liberal. Libs think they help someone by stealing from someone else. They don't want to donate to the poor so they use the bully power of govt to do the stealing. Then they hand out the loot to those who will vote for them, mostly illegals, leeches and bums.

Conservatives and moderates want equality for all and fairness for all. Left wing loonies want the opposite, they want racist quotas that discriminate on the basis of skin color, they want sexist quotas, they want people to lose the will to work and depend on big govt for everything. When they get called on their bullshit they call nasty names and screech like hoot owls. That is their answer to everything, call people who want equality racists when they are the racists themselves.


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Re: So I googled "why are liberals so stupid" [Re: Shins]
    #21828785 - 06/19/15 04:14 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Less people would be poor if the country embraced more conservative economic ideals.  That's the point that liberals miss.  This is what conservatives want;  better economic opportunity.  All the socialist nonsense CREATES poverty because it distorts the market.  Then they say we need even more socialism to fix it.  How about instead of that, we try to prevent poverty in the first place by creating an economy with better opportunity?  That is how you truly solve poverty and what conservatives really want.




The same can be said for both sides unfortunately

Trust me, if there was a surefire system, it would have been implemented already.

The reason I believe in welfare is because it has worked for me, and I know it can work for others. The conservative system is gambling whereas the liberal economic system is much more straight forward.





Wouldn't you rather you did not need to go on welfare at all?  The conservative system is not gambling.  Running up massive national debts and empowering a ginormous authoritative government who sees its own citizens as the enemy is gambling.




No one "wants" to be on welfare. I see it as a solution to the problem of many things like discrimination, poorness, and giving help/shelter to those in need. The reason I say the  conservative system is gambling is because it doesn't immediately offer benefits to these people. It is something that MIGHT come with time, and it is up to individuals to ultimately help these folks.

I don't like our government either, but that doesn't mean I don't trust them on certain things. I will happily give them my money if they are helping those who need it more than I do. My issue with our government is much more specific, ie the war on drugs (or really war in general) and other propagandized issues. Half the reason we are in debt isn't because of welfare, rather those other issues (like war on drugs and overly large police force, not to mention all of our military spending)


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Re: So I googled "why are liberals so stupid" [Re: zZZz]
    #21828787 - 06/19/15 04:14 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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u guys sound like ur talking about religions



Liberalism is a religion.  It is faith based and irrational.






Bingo!

Can I quote that?




if liberalism is a religion so is everything else that has to do with politics





Wrong  conservative principles are mostly either well proven or are highly deductive in nature.  "Progressive" economic ideas are typically new and unproven and justify themself through flawed inductive measures.

liberals typically make decisions based on how they feel, rather than because of real world results and consequences. 

They have faith that if they are well intentioned,  everything will magically work out.  Tragically though, more commonly the opposite happens or else some other "unseen" consequence happens which is even worse.


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Re: So I googled "why are liberals so stupid" [Re: Stonehenge]
    #21828792 - 06/19/15 04:15 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Conservatives are not against the poor, they are the complete opposite.  The only people who say they are are people who are too sinple minded to understand how economics works.




Of course, its idiotic for anyone to say those things and its always the usual suspects saying them.

Conservatives help the poor more than any liberal. Libs think they help someone by stealing from someone else. They don't want to donate to the poor so they use the bully power of govt to do the stealing. Then they hand out the loot to those who will vote for them, mostly illegals, leeches and bums.

Conservatives and moderates want equality for all and fairness for all. Left wing loonies want the opposite, they want racist quotas that discriminate on the basis of skin color, they want sexist quotas, they want people to lose the will to work and depend on big govt for everything. When they get called on their bullshit they call nasty names and screech like hoot owls. That is their answer to everything, call people who want equality racists when they are the racists themselves.




:facepalm:

Please reread this entire thread and try again


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Re: So I googled "why are liberals so stupid" [Re: Shins]
    #21828811 - 06/19/15 04:22 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Lol, the loony left has run out of rhetoric, the one thing they have lots of, and all they can say now is "you are wrong"

> conservative principles are mostly either well proven or are highly deductive in nature.  "Progressive" economic ideas are typically new and unproven and justify themself through flawed inductive measures.

>liberals typically make decisions based on how they feel, rather than because of real world results and consequences. 

>They have faith that if they are well intentioned,  everything will magically work out.  Tragically though, more commonly the opposite happens or else some other "unseen" consequence happens which is even worse.

Yes, its magical thinking, they wish it to be, all their friends tell them it will work and they go galloping off on their foolishness. When it all comes crashing down due to laws of human nature and economic reality, they never blame themselves for their own stupidity, its always the fault of the conservatives for not agreeing to be taxed to death to pay for rainbows.

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>No one "wants" to be on welfare.

You like being on it don't you? You plan to keep on it the rest of your life, correct? Unless the lottery comes through.


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Re: So I googled "why are liberals so stupid" [Re: Stonehenge]
    #21828814 - 06/19/15 04:23 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Obviously you haven't read anything I have said stonehenge


I was on welfare when I was younger, and thanks to it I have a $75k/year job and life is good.


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Re: So I googled "why are liberals so stupid" [Re: Stonehenge]
    #21828821 - 06/19/15 04:26 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

i think the reason these so called liberal are so touchy is cuz they've seen it all and done it all. they know it's all bullshit. it's like, why bother arguing with people who dont even take the time to listen to u.


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Re: So I googled "why are liberals so stupid" [Re: Gottaloveacid] * 1
    #21828843 - 06/19/15 04:33 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Obviously you haven't read anything I have said stonehenge


I was on welfare when I was younger, and thanks to it I have a $75k/year job and life is good.




This is the conservative view of welfare


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Re: So I googled "why are liberals so stupid" [Re: Gottaloveacid]
    #21828846 - 06/19/15 04:34 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Is that why there's a study linking conservatism directly to low IQ published in a renowned health journal?

I have said previously in the thread that there are exceptions. Some conservatives are just that way because they don't like higher taxes... but that isn't what conservatism is. The party as a collective whole does not support minorities, women, and they get their ideas from the christian bible. You can't deny that, I have already linked several pages proving it in this thread.


Also, if they aren't discriminatory (which several conservatives in this thread said they weren't), then why do you despise poor people so much? They are people too. I even got zappa to confirm that he discriminates against poor people after people said that isn't what the party is about, which is just wrong.

Stop trying to fool yourself. Conservatism is nothing but discrimination against people with ideas outside of their own.


That is why they are

-Against abortion

-Hate poor

-Hate other races/ethnicities

-Hate women

-Hate liberals



It is funny because they see all of those people as liberals. That is why they hate them so much.



See, since I am a liberal, I don't care what you believe. Sure, I will argue what I know with what you believe, but I won't think less of you if you are conservative. It goes against my ideology. Conservatives on the other hand openly HATE liberals. That is because that is what they are all about. It is all just hate hate hate....



If you don't support conservative ideas like anti gay, anti abortion, anti women, anti government, etc then you AREN'T fully conservative. If you disagree with MOST of those, which it seems like most conservatives in this thread do, then you are LIBERAL with some conservative ideas, which I would consider myself to reside in that category.



Is there really, buddy? How about you link that "study?" Or maybe you're thinking of the PEW research poll that found the republicans are on average smart and more informed than democrats. The tea-party actually scored the highest, LOL.


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Re: So I googled "why are liberals so stupid" [Re: Webster10]
    #21828861 - 06/19/15 04:37 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Is that why there's a study linking conservatism directly to low IQ published in a renowned health journal?

I have said previously in the thread that there are exceptions. Some conservatives are just that way because they don't like higher taxes... but that isn't what conservatism is. The party as a collective whole does not support minorities, women, and they get their ideas from the christian bible. You can't deny that, I have already linked several pages proving it in this thread.


Also, if they aren't discriminatory (which several conservatives in this thread said they weren't), then why do you despise poor people so much? They are people too. I even got zappa to confirm that he discriminates against poor people after people said that isn't what the party is about, which is just wrong.

Stop trying to fool yourself. Conservatism is nothing but discrimination against people with ideas outside of their own.


That is why they are

-Against abortion

-Hate poor

-Hate other races/ethnicities

-Hate women

-Hate liberals



It is funny because they see all of those people as liberals. That is why they hate them so much.



See, since I am a liberal, I don't care what you believe. Sure, I will argue what I know with what you believe, but I won't think less of you if you are conservative. It goes against my ideology. Conservatives on the other hand openly HATE liberals. That is because that is what they are all about. It is all just hate hate hate....



If you don't support conservative ideas like anti gay, anti abortion, anti women, anti government, etc then you AREN'T fully conservative. If you disagree with MOST of those, which it seems like most conservatives in this thread do, then you are LIBERAL with some conservative ideas, which I would consider myself to reside in that category.



Is there really, buddy? How about you link that "study?" Or maybe you're thinking of the PEW research poll that found the republicans are on average smart and more informed than democrats. The tea-party actually scored the highest, LOL.




I have already linked it but I will link it again

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Re: So I googled "why are liberals so stupid" [Re: koods] * 1
    #21828869 - 06/19/15 04:39 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

The problem with conservative is that their ideology doesn't work in the real world. Try and try again, it always fails. Religious belief is a belief in something without evidence. Conservative ideology is even worse than religious belief - it is a belief in something that has been disproven. Repeatedly.


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Re: So I googled "why are liberals so stupid" [Re: Webster10] * 1
    #21828874 - 06/19/15 04:40 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Is that why there's a study linking conservatism directly to low IQ published in a renowned health journal?

I have said previously in the thread that there are exceptions. Some conservatives are just that way because they don't like higher taxes... but that isn't what conservatism is. The party as a collective whole does not support minorities, women, and they get their ideas from the christian bible. You can't deny that, I have already linked several pages proving it in this thread.


Also, if they aren't discriminatory (which several conservatives in this thread said they weren't), then why do you despise poor people so much? They are people too. I even got zappa to confirm that he discriminates against poor people after people said that isn't what the party is about, which is just wrong.

Stop trying to fool yourself. Conservatism is nothing but discrimination against people with ideas outside of their own.


That is why they are

-Against abortion

-Hate poor

-Hate other races/ethnicities

-Hate women

-Hate liberals



It is funny because they see all of those people as liberals. That is why they hate them so much.



See, since I am a liberal, I don't care what you believe. Sure, I will argue what I know with what you believe, but I won't think less of you if you are conservative. It goes against my ideology. Conservatives on the other hand openly HATE liberals. That is because that is what they are all about. It is all just hate hate hate....



If you don't support conservative ideas like anti gay, anti abortion, anti women, anti government, etc then you AREN'T fully conservative. If you disagree with MOST of those, which it seems like most conservatives in this thread do, then you are LIBERAL with some conservative ideas, which I would consider myself to reside in that category.



Is there really, buddy? How about you link that "study?" Or maybe you're thinking of the PEW research poll that found the republicans are on average smart and more informed than democrats. The tea-party actually scored the highest, LOL.





Criticizes someone for not sourcing a study, then doesn't source a study. :facepalm:


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Re: So I googled "why are liberals so stupid" [Re: koods]
    #21828962 - 06/19/15 05:02 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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koods said:
The problem with conservative is that their ideology doesn't work in the real world. Try and try again, it always fails. Religious belief is a belief in something without evidence. Conservative ideology is even worse than religious belief - it is a belief in something that has been disproven. Repeatedly.





Because you said so. 

It has not been disproven.


this is so ridiculous.  Conservative economics work and have been proven to work.  Liberal economics do not work over the long term.  This has also been proven.  But again liberals just choose to believe what they want and say what they want.


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