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Re: So I googled "why are liberals so stupid" [Re: Patlal]
#21828010 - 06/19/15 12:34 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Once again you fail to realize that there is no modern country more conservative than the US and that you have no idea what the actual definition of liberal means
One of you has no idea what you are talking about and its clear who that is. What led to the present downfall of usa is liberal policy, not conservative policy. We have not had a conservative fiscal policy in many decades, contrary to the nonsense you posted. And yet we are doing better than Canada.
USA might not be as liberal as Sweden, for example, but is miles away from being conservative. You think obumble is conservative? You probably do.
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Re: So I googled "why are liberals so stupid" [Re: Stonehenge]
#21828064 - 06/19/15 12:54 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Modern countries don't use conservative fiscal policies. Why? Because they don't work. Try and try again. They always fail. Then a liberal comes along and fixes it. Just look at the economy of the US over the past century. It performs much better under liberal governance than a conservative one. Its pretty embarrassing for you conservatives when you think about the fact that liberals are constantly having to clean up your messes.
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Re: So I googled "why are liberals so stupid" [Re: koods]
#21828102 - 06/19/15 01:07 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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They don't use them because most of the population are fearful bums who want to be taken care of and they vote The USA has not embraced conservative policies for almost a century. Liberals have bankrupted the country and I don't just mean the government. Our corporate tax rates are a disgrace and have severely hampered our competitiveness,. Liberal fiscal policy has worked real well in Greece, North Korea, the Soviet Union, Spain, Portugal, Ireland, England, Italy .
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Re: So I googled "why are liberals so stupid" [Re: Stonehenge]
#21828115 - 06/19/15 01:10 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Once again you fail to realize that there is no modern country more conservative than the US and that you have no idea what the actual definition of liberal means
One of you has no idea what you are talking about and its clear who that is. What led to the present downfall of usa is liberal policy, not conservative policy. We have not had a conservative fiscal policy in many decades, contrary to the nonsense you posted. And yet we are doing better than Canada.
USA might not be as liberal as Sweden, for example, but is miles away from being conservative. You think obumble is conservative? You probably do.
No, what you guys have been doing is shifting from super conservative to regular conservative. Now you're trying to convince me that regular conservative is liberal.
It isn't sorry.
If you had an ounce of liberal in the US, the poor wouldn't be so godamm poor.
Hell instead of taxing corporation 35% and then have to give it back in food stamps, why no tax 15% so the corporation can pay its employees decently and eliminate the need for stamps
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Re: So I googled "why are liberals so stupid" [Re: Patlal]
#21828118 - 06/19/15 01:11 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Corporations pay nowhere near a 35% rate there are so many loopholes and write offs.
If you proposed a 15% corporate tax rate but also proposed that all write offs would be eliminated, corporations would fight it tooth and nail.
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Re: So I googled "why are liberals so stupid" [Re: Patlal]
#21828147 - 06/19/15 01:20 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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>If you had an ounce of liberal in the US, the poor wouldn't be so godamm poor.
Delusional nonsense. Aren't there lots of poor in canuckland? Is there anyplace without lots of poor people?
>Hell instead of taxing corporation 35% and then have to give it back in food stamps, why no tax 15% so the corporation can pay its employees decently and eliminate the need for stamps
15% would be much more reasonable and would stop capital flight and basing us companies overseas for tax breaks. But our politicians are just as stupid as yours and won't consider it. But they will pass the tpp, tisa, ttip, taa, and all that crap to let corps do anything they want. Bribery is the real problem.
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Re: So I googled "why are liberals so stupid" [Re: Patlal]
#21828342 - 06/19/15 02:17 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Patlal said: There's a strange thing happening in this thread. A bunch of well thought of comments that ultimately create a stupid discussion as a whole...
Liberals just like conservatives can create great countries. Conservative just like liberals can destroy a country.
It's a matter of striking a balance between the two since both extremes end up in the in a fail boat heading towards a waterfall.
Now. In the US. The old US. The 1970s to 2000 US. Conservatism had control and it built a great country. But ultimately it sailed too far right and fell in the 2008 waterfall. And now, instead of adapting, those who grew up in the golden years of conservatism want to salvage the ship by doing what worked before and led them to disaster. Go to the right again... I get that when you reach 40 years old you stop being able to change your way f thinking, but at some point you have to realize that more of the same can only create the same.
Your kids are different than you are. They believe in true equality. They despise the income gap. They despise the close mindedness (anti gay, anti everything). They are moving away from the core of conservatism which is the church. They are tired of wars. And on top of it, everything they thought got validated in 2008 when the old conservative system crashed and burned. Now as an older guy thinking you know the entire truth of the world and that the kids and ignorant shithead that don't know what's good for them, you are resisting the only thing you cannot resist in this world. Change. Everyday one of you dies while one of them is born. You're not gonna change that. Kids want a different country than what you had.
Given the vast statistics and amount of information available to them they are now able to compare the country with the 199 other countries in a matter of minutes. They don't buy into the "America is #1" crap anymore because they clearly see that its not true. Do you blame them for not believing that what used to worked and crashed is no longer relevant to the present day? They are looking at the car wreck that need 15k of repairs to straighten the frame back into place and next to it is a brand new car of the same price. No matter how good a salesman you are, you're not gonna convince them to fix the wreck. Hell the more you try to convince them, the more they will distrust your judgement which will simply reinforce their opinion.
The truth of it all is that the US is the least liberal country of the modern world and the kids see it. You can try and make them believe that what is practically none existent in your country is what is causing all the problems, but again, they are not as ignorant as you think they are. For example, they clearly see that universal health care is a much better system that not only evens out healthcare through all the spheres and classes, they can also see that it cost less per capita. Why is Obamacare such a shitty program? Because it was supposed to be universal healthcare, but it had to please the 1970s people who succeed without it. Therefore it tried to take two radically different animals and bio-engineer it into a something new. Now that new creature is retarded and should be put down... You can't blend an elephant with a pigeon...
What I' trying to say is. The new generation is willing to give proper liberalism a chance. They have no other option at this point. The conservative movement that created so much crashed and burned. Communism and Nazism isn't all that attractive. Dictatorship is not an option. So there's only that clear beaten path taken by other countries left. Which is being move Liberal than the previous generation. Now of course, they see Greece France and Spain. They know they can't take it too far. But they also see Sweden, Canada and Germany, which are thriving and getting better everyday. It's an attractive choice. It's an obvious choice. It's not even surprising.
The future of the US lies within a strong pull to the left. Otherwise another waterfall is just around the corner. Rehabilitation over prison. The collective over the individual. Seeing the poor as an opportunity instead of a plague. Change is coming. You won't stop it.
This is a great post.
In the past (and still to an extent today) America has been an extreme right country. Ever since the early 1900's, people started to realize it didn't work and then the progressive movement occurred. Ever since then, our country has become a much more viable place to call home.
I am personally sick and tired of a system that has never worked. You can say it did all you want, but the longer America keeps these old values, the further they get behind compared to the rest of the world. That is why liberalism is considered a progressive party instead of conservative.
If people stopped thinking with free minds, then progress would stop. Conservatism supports this. How can we as a country possibly stay the same forever in this ever changing world? This is the year 2015. The world is changing more than ever, and if people want our country to be stuck in an age of oppression then so be it. I, along with other free thinkers will simply move to other, more successful countries.
I am sick of discrimination. I am sick of religion. I am sick of old ideas. That is why I am liberal, not because I want meth heads to get free money.
Once conservatives realize the true values of a *real* liberal, they will then realize that it is to create equality as a whole, which supports EVERYTHING that makes up a country. You aren't better than anyone else. No one is. What makes conservatives think they are better than other people? It is scary that they have this mindset, and it is volatile to our entire country.
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Re: So I googled "why are liberals so stupid" [Re: Gottaloveacid]
#21828404 - 06/19/15 02:33 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Wrong.
people didn't realize it didn't work, predatory banks, politicians, and oligarchs realized it was too hard to cheat the system.
so they used "progressivism" as a tool to secretly expand their power and influence while pretending to be for social justice.
Socialism is the tool that gascists use to bring about fascism, they use well intentioned people as tools.
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Re: So I googled "why are liberals so stupid" [Re: Shins]
#21828429 - 06/19/15 02:40 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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That just isn't true at all.
That thinking is delusional, plain and simple.
You are thinking that the progression that has happened is part of some grand scheme run by large corporation and politicians
No, it happened because people were sick of thinking blacks weren't people and women are degenerate compared to men. It went on from there to where we are today, but we still haven't made enough progress. This shit still happens to this day, and I can easily prove it.
Again, conservatives think they are some how better than people who disagree with them. That is fact.
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Re: So I googled "why are liberals so stupid" [Re: Gottaloveacid]
#21828455 - 06/19/15 02:48 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Conservatives are not all racist, sexist and religious, that is ridiculous.
Banks, politicians, and oligarxhs do use socialism as a tool to centralize power, maybe its because socialists are all blind to this that conservatives think themselves smarter and wiser.
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Re: So I googled "why are liberals so stupid" [Re: Shins] 1
#21828462 - 06/19/15 02:50 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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What the fuck are you talking about? Sometimes I think conservatives have those little refrigerator tiles with a bunch of key words on them and they just randomly make up meaningless sentences like "Banks, politicians, and oligarxhs do use socialism as a tool to centralize power,"
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Re: So I googled "why are liberals so stupid" [Re: Shins]
#21828480 - 06/19/15 02:53 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Just to show how open minded I am, I will say that not all liberals are delusional, racist idiots.
Most are, virtually all are delusional about a few things and most of the moonbats in the shroomery have no clue. Conservatives are in favor of justice and equality, that should be obvious to anyone but a liberal.
I'm not even a conservative, I'm in favor of abortion on demand, I don't mind gay marriage and I'm in favor of legalizing drugs. I'm also not a republican. Obviously I'm not a conservative so the most I might be is a moderate. But to the many moon beams anyone not on the lunatic left is a conservative. They can't see things any other way.
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Re: So I googled "why are liberals so stupid" [Re: Stonehenge]
#21828481 - 06/19/15 02:54 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Aren't you a raging anti-Semite?
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Re: So I googled "why are liberals so stupid" [Re: koods]
#21828484 - 06/19/15 02:55 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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koods said: What the fuck are you talking about? Sometimes I think conservatives have those little refrigerator tiles with a bunch of key words on them and they just randomly make up meaningless sentences like "Banks, politicians, and oligarxhs do use socialism as a tool to centralize power,"
Completely oblivious. Perfect liberal tool.
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Re: So I googled "why are liberals so stupid" [Re: Shins]
#21828494 - 06/19/15 02:56 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Is that why there's a study linking conservatism directly to low IQ published in a renowned health journal?
I have said previously in the thread that there are exceptions. Some conservatives are just that way because they don't like higher taxes... but that isn't what conservatism is. The party as a collective whole does not support minorities, women, and they get their ideas from the christian bible. You can't deny that, I have already linked several pages proving it in this thread.
Also, if they aren't discriminatory (which several conservatives in this thread said they weren't), then why do you despise poor people so much? They are people too. I even got zappa to confirm that he discriminates against poor people after people said that isn't what the party is about, which is just wrong.
Stop trying to fool yourself. Conservatism is nothing but discrimination against people with ideas outside of their own.
That is why they are
-Against abortion
-Hate poor
-Hate other races/ethnicities
-Hate women
-Hate liberals
It is funny because they see all of those people as liberals. That is why they hate them so much.
See, since I am a liberal, I don't care what you believe. Sure, I will argue what I know with what you believe, but I won't think less of you if you are conservative. It goes against my ideology. Conservatives on the other hand openly HATE liberals. That is because that is what they are all about. It is all just hate hate hate....
If you don't support conservative ideas like anti gay, anti abortion, anti women, anti government, etc then you AREN'T fully conservative. If you disagree with MOST of those, which it seems like most conservatives in this thread do, then you are LIBERAL with some conservative ideas, which I would consider myself to reside in that category.
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Re: So I googled "why are liberals so stupid" [Re: Stonehenge]
#21828505 - 06/19/15 02:59 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Stonehenge said: Just to show how open minded I am, I will say that not all liberals are delusional, racist idiots.
Most are, virtually all are delusional about a few things and most of the moonbats in the shroomery have no clue. Conservatives are in favor of justice and equality, that should be obvious to anyone but a liberal.
I'm not even a conservative, I'm in favor of abortion on demand, I don't mind gay marriage and I'm in favor of legalizing drugs. I'm also not a republican. Obviously I'm not a conservative so the most I might be is a moderate. But to the many moon beams anyone not on the lunatic left is a conservative. They can't see things any other way.
Those social issues you mentioned do not disqualify one from being conservative. They are all big government intrusions into peoples personal lives - a liberal^socialist trait. People seem to be confused, conservatism is mainly an economic and philosophic stance. Conservatives are for social freedom, don't you always hear conservatives saying freedom this freedom that? True freedom also means economic freedom.
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Re: So I googled "why are liberals so stupid" [Re: Shins]
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Conservatives are not against the poor, they are the complete opposite. The only people who say they are are people who are too sinple minded to understand how economics works.
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Re: So I googled "why are liberals so stupid" [Re: Gottaloveacid]
#21828522 - 06/19/15 03:04 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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didn't read thread. lol reality has a well known liberal bias.
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Re: So I googled "why are liberals so stupid" [Re: Shins]
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Shins said: Conservatives are not against the poor, they are the complete opposite. The only people who say they are are people who are too sinple minded to understand how economics works.
LOLOLOLOLOL
YES THEY ARE
You really are full of yourself aren't you? Holy shit
Conservatives are against welfare, they want to require an ID to vote, they expect poor people to get jobs. I ALREADY MENTIONED all this numerous times in this thread and would rather not have to bring it back up again.
The burning question which I already asked is, how do you expect a smelly, dirty homeless person who was that way ever since they were a helpless child get a job? Exactly, no one will hire them. The point of liberalism is to help them get back on their feet so they CAN get a job. Liberalism ISN'T about giving people free money to live on. That is an incorrect idea many conservatives hold.
Zappa said that conservatives aren't against the poor, that they don't discriminate. Then he turned around and said that he would never hire a dirty, smelly homeless person. That is discrimination. You think they can help themselves? No, they can't when conservatives won't give them the hand they need. On top of that, he said that homeless people are stupid because other homeless people steal from them when sleeping. First off, they can't do shit about that (again because of conservative ideology) and secondly, that is also discriminatory.
Conservatives have strong work ethics. As do I. Conservatives expect dirty homeless people to get a job and if they can't, it is their own fault. That is the stupidest shit I have ever heard. Goes back to the whole they think they're better than everyone else thing.
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Re: So I googled "why are liberals so stupid" [Re: Shins]
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Stonehenge said: Just to show how open minded I am, I will say that not all liberals are delusional, racist idiots.
Most are, virtually all are delusional about a few things and most of the moonbats in the shroomery have no clue. Conservatives are in favor of justice and equality, that should be obvious to anyone but a liberal.
I'm not even a conservative, I'm in favor of abortion on demand, I don't mind gay marriage and I'm in favor of legalizing drugs. I'm also not a republican. Obviously I'm not a conservative so the most I might be is a moderate. But to the many moon beams anyone not on the lunatic left is a conservative. They can't see things any other way.
Those social issues you mentioned do not disqualify one from being conservative. They are all big government intrusions into peoples personal lives - a liberal^socialist trait. People seem to be confused, conservatism is mainly an economic and philosophic stance. Conservatives are for social freedom, don't you always hear conservatives saying freedom this freedom that? True freedom also means economic freedom.
True freedom means you can be fired for having an abortion? GOP doesn't give a shit about individual rights. They want to regulate what people are free to do to their own bodies. They want to block the will of people to enact laws they have approved through ballot iniatives. Fuck conservative hypocrisy.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/dc-politics/house-republicans-rebuff-dc-on-budget-reproductive-law-under-threat/2015/06/17/67873fca-14fc-11e5-89f3-61410da94eb1_story.html
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House Republicans inserted language into the next federal budget Wednesday that would bar the District from enforcing a local law prohibiting discrimination on the basis of whether employees have abortions or use contraception.
The law has been prized by women’s rights groups and denounced by religious organizations that have argued it could prevent churches or other groups who oppose abortion from firing an employee who seeks the procedure.
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