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MidwestShroomin
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Bulk Mono Tub growers..This is my first grow and I'd appreciate your knowledge on 'misting'
#21822523 - 06/18/15 06:59 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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What kind of water do you spray the tub with? Distilled, Tap?
Also, when spraying a monotub (if necessary) do you all spray just the sides of the wall or the sides AND the casing/pin/fruit?
And what kind of sprayer should I get? Dollar store one, or mister?
Also, I know that a 'properly dialed in' mono tub is ideal, but due to my inability to tell when the soil is dry or how much polyfil to use in order TO create a perfectly filed in tub I think I'll just choose to fan and mist....
I'm just in the colonization phase right now but I'm trying to learn as much as possible. I wish I could be like you guys who have these nice properly dialed in tubs...hopefully soon!
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FreeWorldOrder


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Re: Bulk Mono Tub growers..This is my first grow and I'd appreciate your knowledge on 'misting' [Re: MidwestShroomin]
#21822694 - 06/18/15 08:20 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I use tap water on colonized subs...
Spray the sub directly.
Best sprayer is a FINE mist one. Like people use to wet down hair when cutting.
Yes, dollar store has them... actually that's where I got mine.
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Green Bastard
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Re: Bulk Mono Tub growers..This is my first grow and I'd appreciate your knowledge on 'misting' [Re: FreeWorldOrder]
#21823051 - 06/18/15 10:27 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Dialing in is completely specific to ones own unique situation. Room climate, outside climate, tub size, bulk sub recipe, fan placement, polyfill type, etc. It takes time, so be patient, and don't make big changes. After a few runs, it gets much easier.
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Psilosoulful

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Re: Bulk Mono Tub growers..This is my first grow and I'd appreciate your knowledge on 'misting' [Re: MidwestShroomin]
#21823124 - 06/18/15 10:54 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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MidwestShroomin said: What kind of water do you spray the tub with? Distilled, Tap?
Also, when spraying a monotub (if necessary) do you all spray just the sides of the wall or the sides AND the casing/pin/fruit?
And what kind of sprayer should I get? Dollar store one, or mister?
Also, I know that a 'properly dialed in' mono tub is ideal, but due to my inability to tell when the soil is dry or how much polyfil to use in order TO create a perfectly filed in tub I think I'll just choose to fan and mist....
I'm just in the colonization phase right now but I'm trying to learn as much as possible. I wish I could be like you guys who have these nice properly dialed in tubs...hopefully soon!
I usually spray the sides of the tub directly with spring water and spray the surface from a distance so I don't damage the growing pins. The holes closest to the surface I stuff tightly with polyfill and the holes nearest the top I loosen up a bit. This method has worked well for me in all my grows.
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Re: Bulk Mono Tub growers..This is my first grow and I'd appreciate your knowledge on 'misting' [Re: Psilosoulful]
#21823665 - 06/18/15 01:37 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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You shouldn't need to mist a tub.. They are pretty much sit & forget minus stuffing the holes with poly.
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Psilosoulful

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Re: Bulk Mono Tub growers..This is my first grow and I'd appreciate your knowledge on 'misting' [Re: PirateSwazey]
#21823734 - 06/18/15 01:52 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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PirateSwazey said: You shouldn't need to mist a tub.. They are pretty much sit & forget minus stuffing the holes with poly.
Will misting occasionally hinder my efforts? I thought it was necessary to replenish moisture content to maintain high humidity, as well as fanning the surface every so often to dispel built up CO2? My tub already started pinning and I just want to get the best first flush possible.
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36fuckin5
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Re: Bulk Mono Tub growers..This is my first grow and I'd appreciate your knowledge on 'misting' [Re: Psilosoulful]
#21823840 - 06/18/15 02:16 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Psilosoulful said: Will misting occasionally hinder my efforts? I thought it was necessary to replenish moisture content to maintain high humidity, as well as fanning the surface every so often to dispel built up CO2? My tub already started pinning and I just want to get the best first flush possible.
Misting can waterlog your sub and fuck everything up. A mono takes care of its' own FAE. They're set and forget.
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Psilosoulful

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Re: Bulk Mono Tub growers..This is my first grow and I'd appreciate your knowledge on 'misting' [Re: 36fuckin5]
#21823916 - 06/18/15 02:34 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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36fuckin5 said:
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Psilosoulful said: Will misting occasionally hinder my efforts? I thought it was necessary to replenish moisture content to maintain high humidity, as well as fanning the surface every so often to dispel built up CO2? My tub already started pinning and I just want to get the best first flush possible.
Misting can waterlog your sub and fuck everything up. A mono takes care of its' own FAE. They're set and forget.
I'm working with a dub tub right now, so I wasn't sure if there was enough moisture in the tub. I sprayed down the top tub yesterday. I couldn't spray the sides of the bottom tub because I'd have to spray the sub directly, which might damage the pins. Should i just set and forget as your saying and let the polyfill do its thing, or do you think I should mist/fan regularly?

Edited by Psilosoulful (06/18/15 02:36 PM)
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CliftonGK1
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Re: Bulk Mono Tub growers..This is my first grow and I'd appreciate your knowledge on 'misting' [Re: 36fuckin5]
#21823920 - 06/18/15 02:35 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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For the "proper" amount of polyfil on a tub, here's my personal experience. Take things with a grain of salt, and tailor to your own environment.
I have a condo with central air, so the place is always going to be on the dry side, even when it's humid outside. I had issues with things going dry on me with my first few mini-tubs, and needed to mist them due to high FAE and evaporation. My 66qt tub efforts of varied hydration all reached a general equilibrium when I used 2x 1.5" holes at substrate level on either long side of the tub, and 1x 1.5" hole at the upper level of the short sides of the tub. On the lower holes, I used a wad of polyfil approximately 50% larger than the hole when I tore it from the bulk, and I flattened it into a sheet by separating it in two planes. Then I folded that sheet over in half, and rolled it between my palms to create a ball just larger than the hole I was going to plug. For the upper holes, I did the same thing, but started with about 25% less polyfill, for a slightly looser fit, allowing for airflow up through the tub and out the top holes.
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36fuckin5
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Re: Bulk Mono Tub growers..This is my first grow and I'd appreciate your knowledge on 'misting' [Re: Psilosoulful]
#21823921 - 06/18/15 02:35 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Dub tubs aren't monotubs. The same rules don't apply. Mist when dry, and directly mist the pins.
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Psilosoulful

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Re: Bulk Mono Tub growers..This is my first grow and I'd appreciate your knowledge on 'misting' [Re: 36fuckin5]
#21823936 - 06/18/15 02:39 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Okay I'll do that, but is it necessary for the walls of the bottom tub to be misted as well, or will misting the surface alone be fine?
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GreenRabbit
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Re: Bulk Mono Tub growers..This is my first grow and I'd appreciate your knowledge on 'misting' [Re: Psilosoulful]
#21823961 - 06/18/15 02:43 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Psilosoulful said:
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PirateSwazey said: You shouldn't need to mist a tub.. They are pretty much sit & forget minus stuffing the holes with poly.
Will misting occasionally hinder my efforts? I thought it was necessary to replenish moisture content to maintain high humidity, as well as fanning the surface every so often to dispel built up CO2? My tub already started pinning and I just want to get the best first flush possible.
The purpose of misting is to keep the substrate from drying out. Misting the sides is counter-productive. You do not want high humidity. You want a moist substrate and DRY air to be able to evaporate that water. High rH is ineffective at inducing evaporation.
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36fuckin5 said: Dub tubs aren't monotubs. The same rules don't apply. Mist when dry, and directly mist the pins.
I'd have to disagree.. It's the same idea and the same principles apply. The only real difference is that the height between the bottom and top holes is greater, which causes more airflow. This could be why they dry out and need the mist. As was said: A properly dialed-in monotub shouldn't have to be misted. But if it looks dry, just mist dammit! Fanning a monotub is pointless unless your tub isn't dialed in.
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Psilosoulful said: Is it necessary for the walls of the bottom tub to be misted as well, or will misting the surface alone be fine? 
No, don't mist the sides. Keep the substrate glistening by misting it directly, don't let puddles form either. When I get puddles I throw a little verm to soak it up in that area.
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36fuckin5
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Re: Bulk Mono Tub growers..This is my first grow and I'd appreciate your knowledge on 'misting' [Re: GreenRabbit]
#21823971 - 06/18/15 02:45 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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GreenRabbit said: I'd have to disagree.. It's the same idea and the same principles apply. The only real difference is that the height between the bottom and top holes is greater, which causes more airflow. This could be why they dry out and need the mist.
They dry out because of the shitty seal between the 2 tubs. Airflow is different, they are completely different beasts. I've done enough of both to know.
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GreenRabbit
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Re: Bulk Mono Tub growers..This is my first grow and I'd appreciate your knowledge on 'misting' [Re: 36fuckin5]
#21823988 - 06/18/15 02:50 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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36fuckin5 said: They dry out because of the shitty seal between the 2 tubs. Airflow is different, they are completely different beasts. I've done enough of both to know.
I see.. I haven't made a dub tub, I figured the seal between tubs would be taped up. At least, I would tape that gap if I did make one...
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Psilosoulful

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Re: Bulk Mono Tub growers..This is my first grow and I'd appreciate your knowledge on 'misting' [Re: GreenRabbit]
#21824027 - 06/18/15 03:00 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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GreenRabbit said:
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36fuckin5 said: They dry out because of the shitty seal between the 2 tubs. Airflow is different, they are completely different beasts. I've done enough of both to know.
I see.. I haven't made a dub tub, I figured the seal between tubs would be taped up. At least, I would tape that gap if I did make one...
Thanks guys!! I just finished taping up the sides of the tub.
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36fuckin5
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Re: Bulk Mono Tub growers..This is my first grow and I'd appreciate your knowledge on 'misting' [Re: Psilosoulful]
#21824050 - 06/18/15 03:05 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Psilosoulful said: Thanks guys!! I just finished taping up the sides of the tub. 
Why? Nobody said to do that. Leave it alone and just mist when you need to.
-------------------- Redd Foxx said: If you're offended I don't give a shit and don't come see me no more. Pat The Bunny said: A punk rock song won't ever change the world, but I can tell you about a couple that changed me. bodhisatta said: i recommend common sense and figuring it out. These are the TEKs I use. They're all as cheap and easy as possible, just like your mom.
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Psilosoulful

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Re: Bulk Mono Tub growers..This is my first grow and I'd appreciate your knowledge on 'misting' [Re: 36fuckin5]
#21824504 - 06/18/15 04:53 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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36fuckin5 said:
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Psilosoulful said: Thanks guys!! I just finished taping up the sides of the tub. 
Why? Nobody said to do that. Leave it alone and just mist when you need to.
Okay I'll just do that. I don't mind misting anyway. It's fun looking at the pins growing more and more everyday. 
Just one more question, the holes on the bottom tub are placed slightly higher than the substrate level(about two inches). Would it be beneficial to fan the tub a couple of times a day to get rid of excess C02 at the surface layer? Or would the polyfill holes still be able to filter out the stagnant air? Thanks for the help
Edited by Psilosoulful (06/18/15 04:55 PM)
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GreenRabbit
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Re: Bulk Mono Tub growers..This is my first grow and I'd appreciate your knowledge on 'misting' [Re: Psilosoulful]
#21824514 - 06/18/15 04:56 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yea don't go taking my advice when I just said I've never built a dub tub...
Your bottom holes are fine. You will have enough air circulation, that air at the bottom won't be stagnant. If you get fuzzy feet, you can fan if you want, but it would be more effective to adjust the poly.
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Psilosoulful

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Re: Bulk Mono Tub growers..This is my first grow and I'd appreciate your knowledge on 'misting' [Re: GreenRabbit]
#21824548 - 06/18/15 05:03 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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GreenRabbit said: Yea don't go taking my advice when I just said I've never built a dub tub...
Your bottom holes are fine. You will have enough air circulation, that air at the bottom won't be stagnant. If you get fuzzy feet, you can fan if you want, but it would be more effective to adjust the poly.
Okay thanks!!
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