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Tripping doesn't seem... worth it... anymore
#21822131 - 06/18/15 02:43 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Idk....
Ive tripped twice in the past month and a half. I just finished tripping an hour or so ago
I don't really have any cool experiences, I have to make my own and I often feel like I waste the trip doing stupid shit. I experiment a lot when I'm tripping and I guess if I don't find anything new or if I get too distracted it feels like a waste
But I feel like if I shouldn't have to take 7.5 grams to be disappointed
Like I have to take 10+ tabs to actually enjoy the experience, and at that point I'm spending a lot of money and its really hard to even find that quantity
But my dilema is that I don't know enough and my mind isn't psychoactivated enough yet
So I'm not tripping in sobriety and I'm not tripping hard when I take drugs
I just wanna we overwhelmed by the psychadelic - for it to show me something new. But I feel like I've killed the magic but understanding it too well
(by the way, what do you call the stuff that makes patterns in the darkness while youre tripping? It almost looks like vibrating static.... I hope you know what I mean because all I gained from that trip was being able to describe this static finally)
the worst part is it doesn't even feel like it lasts long enough
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Re: Tripping doesn't seem... worth it... anymore [Re: glimpee]
#21822184 - 06/18/15 03:07 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I used to feel the same way about pornography.
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Re: Tripping doesn't seem... worth it... anymore [Re: gcs]
#21822229 - 06/18/15 03:42 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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You didn't take 7.5 grams of potent or even average cubensis without tripping absolute balls. Actually take that dose, or even 5 grams. You might be petrified but you won't be bored that's for sure. And you'll learn respect instead of abuse.
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Re: Tripping doesn't seem... worth it... anymore [Re: gcs]
#21822244 - 06/18/15 03:55 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Actually, it kind of fits exactly. 
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I don't really have any pleasurable experiences, I have to put in a lot of effort and I often feel like I waste time doing stupid shit. I experiment a lot with different kinds of porn and I guess if I don't find anything new or if I get too distracted it feels like a waste
But I feel like I shouldn't have to wait 7.5 hours to be disappointed
Like I have to visit 10+ websites to actually enjoy the experience, and at that point I'm spending a lot of time and it's really hard to even find new websites
But my dilemma is that I'm unsatisfied and I haven't had a really good orgasm yet
So I'm not ejaculating without porn, and I'm not ejaculating hard enough when I watch porn
I just want to be overwhelmed by the porn - for it to show me something new. But I feel like I've killed the magic by watching it too much
(by the way, what do you call that thing where the guy ... into the girl's ... and then she ... I hope you know what I meant because all I gained from that porn session was being able to describe this sexual act finally)
the worst part is it doesnt even feel like the orgasm lasts long enough
Perhaps endless monotony is the trip you can learn the most from, a way of showing that something is missing from the path you have chosen for yourself?
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Re: Tripping doesn't seem... worth it... anymore [Re: gcs]
#21822269 - 06/18/15 04:08 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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It's not only tolerance, but also loss of magic. Take a 3 month break, then dose 200ug and you will trip hard! If done constantly, LSD will temporarily lose it's magic.
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Re: Tripping doesn't seem... worth it... anymore [Re: Ego Trip]
#21822357 - 06/18/15 05:12 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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When I first got started I thought all kinds of profoundly spiritual things would be shown to me. Was vastly disappointed that all I saw was nothingness behind all my egoshit. I think, with the right encouragement, I could've understood that it's a tool, an additional supplement, that aides the mind in understanding itself...or, at the very least, can dissolve the sediment that encrusts assumptions you may not need anymore...not a magical substance that imparts wisdom solely from it's ingestion. Also, can be used 'just for fun' without any heavy spiritual burden.

TL;DR It's not for everybody.
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Re: Tripping doesn't seem... worth it... anymore [Re: SoupSandwich] 1
#21822374 - 06/18/15 05:22 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Try lucid dreaming instead
Free LSD, then you can sell your LSD to someone that would like it - there are lots of people who would appreciate a cheap hit ;-)
Lucid dreaming is just as good as any LSD trip and it's free
www.ld4all.nl www.dreamviews.com
I can never get tired of LDs, but I can of tripping
You can be overwhelmed by lucid dreams every single time, every year, for the rest of your life How do you feel about jumping out from a building? Becoming a bird? Teleporting to any place you want? Flying anywhere you want and it feels 100% real ? Create things with your mind, anything you want Break the rules at work/school and do what you must not do? etc. - no rules
(usually flying isn't allowed in work hours/when you're at school i.e.)
Time travel, go back in time, relive part of your life - this time with NO rules, it feels like you're there
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Re: Tripping doesn't seem... worth it... anymore [Re: lessismore]
#21822383 - 06/18/15 05:26 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Finding ways to 'bring it back home' with you is definitely a key element.
Zig-Zag Zen talks with buddhist monks about the psychedelic experience and they say it's a fruit too big for the tree. In other words, that the experience is too otherworldly, too heavy, for practical application in daily life.
Finding a way to bring those revelations and experiences back into our daily routine is a chore. LD is a good method. Kundalini Yoga also is brilliant.
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Re: Tripping doesn't seem... worth it... anymore [Re: SoupSandwich]
#21822390 - 06/18/15 05:34 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yup well said, if you keep doing high doses you will eventually become weird to society, maybe the new Mckenna
But you would probably want to do other stuff with your life than philosophize
Lucid dreaming has a benefit of being easy to integrate usually, for some reason it seems
Trips take months or years to integrate for me usually, and if you trip before integrating you become weird - not in contact with earth anymore, all in the mind
So you can trip too much, maybe take a break?
When you need to take 10+ hits it's usually time
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Re: Tripping doesn't seem... worth it... anymore [Re: lessismore]
#21822415 - 06/18/15 05:54 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Well, don't do it then
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Re: Tripping doesn't seem... worth it... anymore [Re: GoldenEye]
#21822581 - 06/18/15 07:29 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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did you try dmt?
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Re: Tripping doesn't seem... worth it... anymore [Re: glimpee]
#21822590 - 06/18/15 07:33 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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glimpee said: by the way, what do you call the stuff that makes patterns in the darkness while youre tripping? It almost looks like vibrating static.... I hope you know what I mean because all I gained from that trip was being able to describe this static finally)
Visual snow?
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Re: Tripping doesn't seem... worth it... anymore [Re: GoldenEye]
#21822625 - 06/18/15 07:52 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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GoldenEye said: Well, don't do it then 
This. Psychedelics aren't for everyone.
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Re: Tripping doesn't seem... worth it... anymore [Re: SoupSandwich]
#21822737 - 06/18/15 08:34 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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SoupSandwich said: Finding ways to 'bring it back home' with you is definitely a key element.
Zig-Zag Zen talks with buddhist monks about the psychedelic experience and they say it's a fruit too big for the tree. In other words, that the experience is too otherworldly, too heavy, for practical application in daily life.
Finding a way to bring those revelations and experiences back into our daily routine is a chore. LD is a good method. Kundalini Yoga also is brilliant.
This. OP, try growing mushrooms. It will help you out in so many ways, and your trips will resonate with new found clarity and purpose.
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Re: Tripping doesn't seem... worth it... anymore [Re: PrimalSoup]
#21823132 - 06/18/15 10:56 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Trip and then integrate into your life what you've learned, while being sober. Don't make tripping a casual and occasional habit, that way the magic won't disappear out of your life. Consider tripping as something sacred and special. Try alternative hobbies like yoga, heavy exercise, meditation etc. to reach altered states of mind.
Remember with psychedelics, the less is more.
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Re: Tripping doesn't seem... worth it... anymore [Re: mothamaruti]
#21823187 - 06/18/15 11:17 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I see this "snow" all the time now. Been this way for a little while, year or two. I think that the snow is actually energy that you are seeing. There's not
a whole lot out there that talks about this or describes it very well. I also see a grid like pattern while I'm sober quite frequently now and it's pretty
fucking wierd. We are surrounded by energy. We see, feel, hear all in vibrations so why wouldn't some people be able to see past the plain of our
reality and be able to see vibrations of energy and fields? I am starting to think that we can, and sober too.
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Re: Tripping doesn't seem... worth it... anymore [Re: mothamaruti]
#21823435 - 06/18/15 12:37 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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mothamaruti said: Trip and then integrate into your life what you've learned, while being sober. Don't make tripping a casual and occasional habit, that way the magic won't disappear out of your life. Consider tripping as something sacred and special. Try alternative hobbies like yoga, heavy exercise, meditation etc. to reach altered states of mind.
Remember with psychedelics, the less is more.
This is actually what I do. I trip TO bring it back to my sober life. ima just respond to the other threads in a row
OneBigMushroon - Actually, I did. My tolerance is very high - and I hadn't tripped on mushrooms in like 3 months... I tripped on LSD 4 weeks before this trip though. So I wasn't taking it constantly - I waited a long time for this trip. EVERY trip I take though I take 7+ grams or 5+ tabs. And I know that I don't always have 100% pure shit but my shit is good, I have other people vouching for that. I will garuntee I will NOT be petrified. I've tripped EXTREMELY hard but only DMT has had the honor of overwhelming me (actually I passed out last night while watching a really really dark episode of China Il, "Charlize") By the way I respect the fuck out of LSD and Shrooms, they're my buddies
gcs - I've been working to integrate "tripping" into sobriety - learning from my artificially raised vibration to understand how to raise it on my own. The problem is, LSD is showing me less and less. LSD never takes me away - it never distorts reality in conjunction with my emotions or experience - stuff basically only really moves anymore if I make it. It's like because I tried to control it, it denied me it's powers.
EgoTrip - 200ug won't make me trip though. I've done a 2 months T break and then came back to at least 700ug and I felt like that trip was a waste too. I spent 140 and it only felt like I was on two tabs - LSD didn't take me anywhere, show me anything new, or ever toy with my perceptions past making everything breathe for an hour or two.
Wait... I just remembered that 5-6 weeks ago I got sold fake LSD and I tripped for 4 hours... it was a disappointing trip and not groundbreaking but it wasn't that far from the $80-150 trips I've had recently.... Maybe I AM getting closer to a higher vibration and I'm being "tested" to see if I'm doing this for spirituality or if I'm just a dumb kid... maybe
SoupSandwitch - as an artist and producer, tripping helps. When I trip I am constantly writing music, and I am working on learning how to force hallucination.... I'll be able to imagine things in detail and then draw them... at least thats one goal I believe there might be something past this reality, but Im interested in the limits of human perception/experience. I want to push the boundaries of this reality and see how far I can go. What I can experience. What I can learn, and if what I learn is true of a deeply fabricated lie that coincided with other stories. Ive also had really otherworldly experiences with psychedelics, but they're not happening anymore, and that's why I'm worried. Those otherworldly experiences showed me better the limits of human perception - and every little thing I learned I could do (like stack/change a pile of antiques that doesn't exist in great detail that changes every time I moved my eyes.... This happened on 7 tabs and was the last heavy trip I had) I would learn from psychadelics and then recreate the feeling while sober. Every trip adds on to the intensity of my eternal trip - which also slowly increases on it's own. Finding a way to bring back my trip is one of the most fun things for me to do - to try to trick my mind into breaking reality and shifting. And what's interesting is that some visual distortion is not possible until you achieve prior smaller levels of distortion. I also meditate actively (while doing stuff) but should start doing silent meditation.
Jean-guymasta - I tried DMT twice, and I wasn't ready. It kicked my ass and gave me my first hallucination/bad trip. The 2nd time I took it DMT rejected me and gave me another bad trip But I loved the bad trips because they were my first ones and I was still in control to a pretty good extent
TryptoFan - Is that what they call it? It looks like static made of purples/greens/lightblues/silvers and when you're tripping these are what form the patterns within blackness. If you stare at something these will converge at the center - making it impossible to actually focus on a point. Each individual dot flickers and vibrates, together making a shaking flowing mass of pattern. I had the thought that those patterns are closer to the true nature of the object than our normal perceptions - but that's to be tested.
predor - psychedelics are for me, but they're not intense anymore. I've never had an experience where I sat down and listened to music and drifted off somewhere. I barely even get closed eye visuals anymore! Before I would sometimes see a detailed room of fractals and stuff like that but now it's like closing my eyes while sober! Except more shifting and flowing, just not detailed and I can't get color! (except last night, the only thing I DID get was a colored wormhole that i thought I was gonna go though - but it never let me. I got to see a color changing wormhole that denied me passage into trippier planes.
Morthami - I completely agree with you. As soon as I get phychadelics I just can't stop smiling. I'm eager to see my friend again, to learn again, I become ready to give my self over to the drug and let it take me - although I also try to learn and experiment a lot with my altered state of mind. I've actually found that if I meditate while coming up I trip really hard. This also acts when I'm sober - I took fake LSD and convinced myself to trip for 4 hours (first time I ever changed the colors/shadows/fisheyelense of reality while sober)
TrippieHunter - Are you serious? This is energy? Fuck yes I love my intuition! How were you able to start perceiving this while sober? How long did you practice spirituality? How long did you trip before you achieved it? How often did you trip? I really need to ask because this is one of my goals, and 2-3 hours into the trip I lose all ability to see this energy
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Re: Tripping doesn't seem... worth it... anymore [Re: TrippieHunter]
#21823453 - 06/18/15 12:43 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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TrippieHunter said: I see this "snow" all the time now. Been this way for a little while, year or two. I think that the snow is actually energy that you are seeing. There's not
a whole lot out there that talks about this or describes it very well. I also see a grid like pattern while I'm sober quite frequently now and it's pretty
fucking wierd. We are surrounded by energy. We see, feel, hear all in vibrations so why wouldn't some people be able to see past the plain of our
reality and be able to see vibrations of energy and fields? I am starting to think that we can, and sober too.
I did some research. Visual snow is apparently usually encompassing the entire vision, everything just becomes static. Also the static is a lot more the color of the object in recreation images I saw. My static is a lot more "neon and silver" and has a lot more gaps - it makes flowing shifting patterns, not just static everywhere. It maybe takes up half (at most) of my overall vision, because it needs negative space to create patterns.
-------------------- Just because I am arrogant does not mean I forget my place. It is how I choose to talk. I am not a monk. I am my own path, and I am without influence. Talk to me about my core being before you question my mental stability or life-choices. Chances are, they're only shocking to you because they don't fit your idea of what is.
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Re: Tripping doesn't seem... worth it... anymore [Re: glimpee] 1
#21823593 - 06/18/15 01:17 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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OP is on medication or getting really shitty drugs
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Re: Tripping doesn't seem... worth it... anymore [Re: glimpee]
#21823885 - 06/18/15 02:27 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Honestly bro I don't think it is because of any drugs or spirituality. I don't even know if it is energy or if I am just going crazy. At this point the
energy thing makes the most sense. My static isn't really colorful, it's just there. Same with the grid, just is. It does seem to be intensified when
smoking some mary j, but it doesn't go away for me. I had a bad dirt bike accident a couple years ago and hit my head pretty hard. Even this though I
can not recall exactly when it started. When I look back on it I can remember being a kid and seeing some form of it. It's almost like when you're dehydrated
and you see stars, except that the entire space/ atmosphere is filled.
I know that there can be "floaters" in you're eyes that will cause you to see lines and sort and I do have these too, but this is not it. Also an
occurrences is caused by ocular migraines or a tumor pushing on the optical nerves. I have looked into all of these and none fit the build. Meditation
definitely helps in the accepting that this is happening and going on. But damn if I don't feel like I am losing my shit sometimes. I am not really
spiritual except for the search for inner peace.
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Re: Tripping doesn't seem... worth it... anymore [Re: The Doobie Dude]
#21823932 - 06/18/15 02:38 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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The Doobie Dude said: OP is on medication or getting really shitty drugs
Im not on medication nor do I only take shitty drugs.
LSD and Shrooms have never overwhelmed me, never made me have a bad trip. The concept of a bad trip was foreign until I took DMT.
Over the past year I would take 5+ tabs average every week or two. I started doing this because 2 tabs never really did anything to me
In fact - MOST drugs have very little effect on me. Benzos only affect me if I take a lot, it took 14 ~5 bowl sessions before I got high, the first two times I took LSD I felt nothing, etc. The first time I take any drug, I don't feel it.
Im getting kind of sick of people assuming I don't know my shit. I've been tripping a while and while I dont have 200ug tabs, I HAVE had them, and I know what pure shit feels like in large quantities.
That said - the only way for DMT or Caps to actually affect me in a way that feels worth it, I have to take legendary doses. That's just the way it's been. Just because you have an average tolerance doesn't mean I'm just an idiot - and I'm not going to respond to a response like that again.
Trippyhunter - so the static you see it basically the color of the object? Maybe more white and chalky?
If so - has anyone experienced this colored static? The colors are most noticeable when looking at darkness - the static has underlying purples and greens as well as silverish... although it's hard to actually identify the colors
Do I experience something different when I trip then? Because I see these for at least part of every visual trip.
Has anyone seen limited colored visual snow? If I'm the only one it's gonna put me in an disadvantageous position
-------------------- Just because I am arrogant does not mean I forget my place. It is how I choose to talk. I am not a monk. I am my own path, and I am without influence. Talk to me about my core being before you question my mental stability or life-choices. Chances are, they're only shocking to you because they don't fit your idea of what is.
Check out my Art Journal for some stuff I do http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21647069
Edited by glimpee (06/18/15 03:35 PM)
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Re: Tripping doesn't seem... worth it... anymore [Re: glimpee]
#21823947 - 06/18/15 02:41 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I don't believe you
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Re: Tripping doesn't seem... worth it... anymore [Re: TrippieHunter]
#21823957 - 06/18/15 02:42 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Okay so, I am going to put my Stan Grof hat on again and talk from the perspectives he offers in his book LSD psychotherapy.
This static is just HPPD. HPPD and other after effects of tripping are caused when traumatic material surfaces during the trip that isn't acknowledged and dealt with. After a fully integrated and healing trip in which surfacing material is integrated, there are no after effects. No HPPD, no tension or anxiety, no insomnia, nothing. These are all caused by being unable to fully let go and work through the surfacing material. Stan Grof calls this material a "condensed experience" or COEX. The little effects you get OP, are from your resistance to the drugs effects. Resistance you have in order to prevent the confrontation with this traumatic material. It's a defense mechanism.
I've seen your earlier thread as well and in my mind, this is the only explanation to resisting such huge doses and getting HPPD-like after effects...
Check out Stan Grof's book LSD Psychotherapy if you are really interested in the full spectrum of psychedelic experiences and his theories about them. He has probably seen more people trip than anyone else on this planet.
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Re: Tripping doesn't seem... worth it... anymore [Re: GoldenEye]
#21824043 - 06/18/15 03:04 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Well I got like 5% hppd symptoms and I got no insomnia I sleep very well
HPPD symptoms happen for me both on lsd and mushrooms, and more with increasing dose
After a large dose they can last 3-5 weeks easily, sometimes 2-3 months or more
They usually subside to a tolerable amount
If I stare at a wall I notice them, else I don't notice them, it is like a fog overlaying my vision still years after last trip on LSD, I have also had the carpet move spontaneously
It can change your vision, but I haven't had any adverse effect from it
The adverse is only weeks after a high dose where reading can become hard, that's why I don't dose high too often - the book may swirl around next days even after ending a trip...
The street outside may swirl around too, next days after a high dose trip - seems it stays in the body/mind a little while longer when you dose high
A high dose trip can sometimes last a few weeks - I bet anyone who has dosed high knows this
You're not really back to baseline when you dose high, it takes a few weeks to be back at least usually
When I dose psychedelics again, my hppd symptoms start over again and become pretty severe for a week or so at least, then after a few weeks they become tolerable again But during that week I will have intense snow overlay in my vision - so much it is hard to read or watch a screen
I acknowledge hppd symptoms as a real risk, but the risk is small for feeling disabled by it, and I am not sure what causes it - neither is science it seems
Stanislav has some interesting material though, sounds pretty interesting...
Non integrated stuff can definitely make you be weird, some get anxiety for random things, some get public place anxiety, some can't talk to people, some get old memories surfacing so they cry out of nowhere
Diving deep into the psyche is very risky behavior... - but LSD trips are no more risky than lucid dreams that way.
So, are my hppd symptoms just unintegrated experiences, 2 years later ? - maybe, I don't feel 100% back the old way, but I am also not striving to be back the old way, I want a new way that way you could say I am working every day still towards a new way
I notice a few more things also: my perception of color is permanently changed it seems - but in a good way my eyes have changed when I go outside in the dark from being inside in light - was never like this before , but it is very enjoyable, it's like tripping again... semiflashback like each time, I feel like tripping when I go out in the dark always now , everything becomes beautiful - hard to describe , feels like my pupils changed
And my pupils did indeed change size for months it seems.... - they got larger than normal after tripping, and seems to last
It feels exactly like tripping - a very slow reaction to light now, that's probably the feeling... So I would imagine my pupils keep large, and that is also what I seem to have noticed, they are larger than before I ever started tripping it seems I always experience "problems" adjusting to much light or no light now - never did before really
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Re: Tripping doesn't seem... worth it... anymore [Re: lessismore]
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lessismore said: Try lucid dreaming instead
Free LSD, then you can sell your LSD to someone that would like it - there are lots of people who would appreciate a cheap hit ;-)
Lucid dreaming is just as good as any LSD trip and it's free
www.ld4all.nl www.dreamviews.com
I can never get tired of LDs, but I can of tripping
You can be overwhelmed by lucid dreams every single time, every year, for the rest of your life How do you feel about jumping out from a building? Becoming a bird? Teleporting to any place you want? Flying anywhere you want and it feels 100% real ? Create things with your mind, anything you want Break the rules at work/school and do what you must not do? etc. - no rules
(usually flying isn't allowed in work hours/when you're at school i.e.)
Time travel, go back in time, relive part of your life - this time with NO rules, it feels like you're there
I think the one thing that always amazed me about lucid dreaming is how real the environment always felt. Now that's a trip.
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Re: Tripping doesn't seem... worth it... anymore [Re: TrippieHunter]
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TrippieHunter said: I see this "snow" all the time now. Been this way for a little while, year or two. I think that the snow is actually energy that you are seeing. There's not
a whole lot out there that talks about this or describes it very well. I also see a grid like pattern while I'm sober quite frequently now and it's pretty
fucking wierd. We are surrounded by energy. We see, feel, hear all in vibrations so why wouldn't some people be able to see past the plain of our
reality and be able to see vibrations of energy and fields? I am starting to think that we can, and sober too.
If you wear glasses I find taking them off makes HPPD 100 times worse. All of that blurriness turns into full blown visuals. My vision isn't even that bad either.
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Re: Tripping doesn't seem... worth it... anymore [Re: lessismore]
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But nature and the world I see changed completely too , so maybe it is just the 'reborn feeling'
Everything is beautiful, especially at night, especially rain weather etc. ;-)
I feel reborn everytime it rains etc.
You get the mind of a kid, to some extent, can be a very good thing, and sometimes a bad when you don't always fit in
I love the way I see my world now
The hppd symptoms only work to my advantage , at least the one when I go outside from being inside, really like that one
The snow one I could be without, can disturb me a few times a month if unlucky maybe...
LSD teaches you to be your own psycho coach if you do it right, that's what is so good about it, it teaches you to understand the mind So it can help free your mind..
But I have found much much value in receiving help from another person I know that is meditating, did find out that maybe I wasn't fully back... It can be hard to tell if you are fully back..
Should you be back to the way society expects you to be? or to the way you love to be?
I was back to #2, and not really very able to deal with society #1 (many situations I couldn't deal with after tripping - and THAT's where a personal psycho coach REALLY helps..)
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Re: Tripping doesn't seem... worth it... anymore [Re: GoldenEye]
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GoldenEye said: Okay so, I am going to put my Stan Grof hat on again and talk from the perspectives he offers in his book LSD psychotherapy.
This static is just HPPD. HPPD and other after effects of tripping are caused when traumatic material surfaces during the trip that isn't acknowledged and dealt with. After a fully integrated and healing trip in which surfacing material is integrated, there are no after effects. No HPPD, no tension or anxiety, no insomnia, nothing. These are all caused by being unable to fully let go and work through the surfacing material. Stan Grof calls this material a "condensed experience" or COEX. The little effects you get OP, are from your resistance to the drugs effects. Resistance you have in order to prevent the confrontation with this traumatic material. It's a defense mechanism.
I've seen your earlier thread as well and in my mind, this is the only explanation to resisting such huge doses and getting HPPD-like after effects...
Check out Stan Grof's book LSD Psychotherapy if you are really interested in the full spectrum of psychedelic experiences and his theories about them. He has probably seen more people trip than anyone else on this planet.
I was pretty sure HPPD is a after-effect... I only perceive this "static" while I'm peaking/in the flux of my trip.
It's hard to say if I actually let go or not - although I definitely try, I work at repressing nothing, understanding even the smallest things I experience. What could I be repressing that inhibits my trip? I've seemingly worked through most of my issues and am working through the smaller ones right now.
I dont experience HPPD - everything I experience that is "trippy" when I'm sober either happens when my mind is psychoactivated (through my will, letting go, and practice and while coming out of/into sleep) or when I trick my perceptions and allow myself to break reality. I dont get HPPD like effects after the trip. In fact - I only feel weird the next day like half the time, if that.
If I am repressing thought - do you have any advice?
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Re: Tripping doesn't seem... worth it... anymore [Re: lessismore]
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lessismore said: Well I got like 5% hppd symptoms and I got no insomnia I sleep very well
HPPD symptoms happen for me both on lsd and mushrooms, and more with increasing dose
After a large dose they can last 3-5 weeks easily, sometimes 2-3 months or more
They usually subside to a tolerable amount
If I stare at a wall I notice them, else I don't notice them, it is like a fog overlaying my vision still years after last trip on LSD, I have also had the carpet move spontaneously
It can change your vision, but I haven't had any adverse effect from it
The adverse is only weeks after a high dose where reading can become hard, that's why I don't dose high too often - the book may swirl around next days even after ending a trip...
The street outside may swirl around too, next days after a high dose trip - seems it stays in the body/mind a little while longer when you dose high
A high dose trip can sometimes last a few weeks - I bet anyone who has dosed high knows this
You're not really back to baseline when you dose high, it takes a few weeks to be back at least usually
When I dose psychedelics again, my hppd symptoms start over again and become pretty severe for a week or so at least, then after a few weeks they become tolerable again But during that week I will have intense snow overlay in my vision - so much it is hard to read or watch a screen
I acknowledge hppd symptoms as a real risk, but the risk is small for feeling disabled by it, and I am not sure what causes it - neither is science it seems
Stanislav has some interesting material though, sounds pretty interesting...
Non integrated stuff can definitely make you be weird, some get anxiety for random things, some get public place anxiety, some can't talk to people, some get old memories surfacing so they cry out of nowhere
Diving deep into the psyche is very risky behavior... - but LSD trips are no more risky than lucid dreams that way.
So, are my hppd symptoms just unintegrated experiences, 2 years later ? - maybe, I don't feel 100% back the old way, but I am also not striving to be back the old way, I want a new way that way you could say I am working every day still towards a new way
I notice a few more things also: my perception of color is permanently changed it seems - but in a good way my eyes have changed when I go outside in the dark from being inside in light - was never like this before , but it is very enjoyable, it's like tripping again... semiflashback like each time, I feel like tripping when I go out in the dark always now , everything becomes beautiful - hard to describe , feels like my pupils changed
And my pupils did indeed change size for months it seems.... - they got larger than normal after tripping, and seems to last
It feels exactly like tripping - a very slow reaction to light now, that's probably the feeling... So I would imagine my pupils keep large, and that is also what I seem to have noticed, they are larger than before I ever started tripping it seems I always experience "problems" adjusting to much light or no light now - never did before really
Im not experiencing HPPD. Im talking about during the trip.
Either way - it's less common for me to feel the LSD for more than a day or two - and half the time not at all the next day.
However, I do have something called a "sober trip" that I am building. It's not built on flashbacks, but rather slowly altering my mind in tandum with what I learn from hallucinogens. PARTS of what I know use a form of flashbacks tobegin the process - but I think a lot of what I can do is more natural than a flashback
That said - I'm still not tripping as hard as I want to (this has ALWAYS been a problem, but even more so now)
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Re: Tripping doesn't seem... worth it... anymore [Re: oomchu]
#21824215 - 06/18/15 03:49 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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lessismore said: Try lucid dreaming instead
Free LSD, then you can sell your LSD to someone that would like it - there are lots of people who would appreciate a cheap hit ;-)
Lucid dreaming is just as good as any LSD trip and it's free
www.ld4all.nl www.dreamviews.com
I can never get tired of LDs, but I can of tripping
You can be overwhelmed by lucid dreams every single time, every year, for the rest of your life How do you feel about jumping out from a building? Becoming a bird? Teleporting to any place you want? Flying anywhere you want and it feels 100% real ? Create things with your mind, anything you want Break the rules at work/school and do what you must not do? etc. - no rules
(usually flying isn't allowed in work hours/when you're at school i.e.)
Time travel, go back in time, relive part of your life - this time with NO rules, it feels like you're there
I think the one thing that always amazed me about lucid dreaming is how real the environment always felt. Now that's a trip.
I forgot to respond to the initial Lucid Dreaming part
I am working on learning to lucid dream - but doing it only with mental power is proving to be challenging. I have had a few dreams where I tripped in them, and I've had a few lucid dreams, but recently my dreams have been binded more to reality.
Which is weird because Im trying to bind my reality to dreams...
And now when I'm dreaming, if I ask "am I dreaming" im too confused and "tired" to actually go through checking if I'm dreaming.
The last intense trip I had, on 7 tabs, I was able to hallucinate the inside of my car. It had details that were akin to dream details. It looked retro and the numbers didnt really work - it had that weird vibe. Then I was able to create rooms and detailed objects with that same vibe. THATS THE KINDA STUFF I WANT TO HAPPEN WHEN I TRIP! I DONT WANNA HAVE TO TAKE 1000ug TO EXPERIENCE COOL STUFF LIKE THAT!!!
srry bout caps
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Re: Tripping doesn't seem... worth it... anymore [Re: glimpee]
#21824220 - 06/18/15 03:50 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Stan Grof just upped the dose and continued with the sessions Eventually something of note is going to happen.
I would start with maybe lying down with headphones on and wearing a blindfold while you trip? That way there is nothing to do but turn inwards.
If that remains uneventful I would probably practice some form of mindfulness meditation that centers around bodily sensations. Vipassana for instance. The body is the best map for gauging what's going on.
Do you get any body sensations while tripping? Or body load I guess some people prefer to call it?
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Re: Tripping doesn't seem... worth it... anymore [Re: glimpee]
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I started tripping when I was 16. By the time I was 19-20 I was sick of it. Instead of being fascinated by the experience, I was laying in bed at 4am asking myself - why did I do this? I'd rather be asleep. So I took 30 years off from psychedelics. Now I'm in back, in my 50's. It's great because I'm much wiser and more level headed than I was back then. Tripping is a different experience at this age. But in some ways it's exactly the same.
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Re: Tripping doesn't seem... worth it... anymore [Re: Universe]
#21824259 - 06/18/15 04:01 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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You still lie in bed awake at 4 am don't you?
I've always wondered how the psychedelic experience changes with age. Can you describe how it did for you?
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Re: Tripping doesn't seem... worth it... anymore [Re: GoldenEye]
#21824269 - 06/18/15 04:03 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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GoldenEye said: Stan Grof just upped the dose and continued with the sessions Eventually something of note is going to happen.
I would start with maybe lying down with headphones on and wearing a blindfold while you trip? That way there is nothing to do but turn inwards.
If that remains uneventful I would probably practice some form of mindfulness meditation that centers around bodily sensations. Vipassana for instance. The body is the best map for gauging what's going on.
Do you get any body sensations while tripping? Or body load I guess some people prefer to call it?
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GoldenEye said: Stan Grof just upped the dose and continued with the sessions Eventually something of note is going to happen.
I would start with maybe lying down with headphones on and wearing a blindfold while you trip? That way there is nothing to do but turn inwards.
If that remains uneventful I would probably practice some form of mindfulness meditation that centers around bodily sensations. Vipassana for instance. The body is the best map for gauging what's going on.
Do you get any body sensations while tripping? Or body load I guess some people prefer to call it?
Well I did that - I started at 4 tabs avg (which was already RIDICULOUS to most of my friends - many people wouldnt even sell me LSD out of fear that I would hurt myself) and eventually brought the average to legendary doeses.
There are two problems. 1. Almost no one is a consistant supplier of hallucinogens any more - when I find them, theyre limited and expensive. 2. I ran out of my stache because I couldn't find a good enough deal to eat 7 sell 5 and make my money back... So now I am ~$100 when I need like ~120 for a good trip and only make ~20 a week right now for psychadelics...
So I can't keep upping... I need to somehow trip with less... or not trip at all.. or at least feel like that one trip would be worth it rather than a waste of money.
I was actually surpised by how little I felt in my body. I would get the occasional shiver, a small tingling running up my legs, but really minor stuff. Also got minor "melting" feelings
I watched an episode of china il while I was coming down. The episode was Charlize....
It was a really disturbing episode - China IL is usually funny and light hearted - this episode really took me by surprised by how much I felt the pain and sickness in the episode...
Theres a part where a cartoon character in the show has to walk around a hospital alone with her leg bone sticking out. It wasnt super realitic but when she set it I passed out.
I began to sweat, heat and tingles ran up my body to my head. I was like "woah this is cool, I thought my trip was almost over!"
And then I just realized I was lying on the floor covered in sweat looking at the ceiling. I feinted, knocked over my bong, and woke up within a minute...
Other than that though - nothing cool. Something on other trips I will get tingles that run all across my body and are really noticable and feel good. These were kinda meh
headphones and blindfolds are how I began my journey into the "dreamscape"
Which is something I seek mastery over. an issue is that now that I've spent so long understanding and mastering it - I don't get taken away as far when I let go. And now I also don't see the dreamscape as well while I'm awake - I just haven't seen it in detail in a very long time...
But I spend a lot of time every trip with my eyes closed. I often dont listen to music because I like the natural silence while tripping - but even meditation doesn't usually bring the dreamscape often anymore...
Its like I'm gaining mastery over my spiritual self, but because I seek this master I am becoming spiritually weak. It's extremely troubling, as tripping is like my favorite thing even and I cant even really experience it anymore... at least I think
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Re: Tripping doesn't seem... worth it... anymore [Re: Universe]
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Universe said: I started tripping when I was 16. By the time I was 19-20 I was sick of it. Instead of being fascinated by the experience, I was laying in bed at 4am asking myself - why did I do this? I'd rather be asleep. So I took 30 years off from psychedelics. Now I'm in back, in my 50's. It's great because I'm much wiser and more level headed than I was back then. Tripping is a different experience at this age. But in some ways it's exactly the same.
Yeah I found I spend a lot of time just kinda pacing thinking about what to do
Maybe I should just save tripping for big events
but I really like tripping alone and doing experiments with the limits of perception
Maybe I just need to increase my sober trip - and once I master that adding hallucinogens to the mix might do some crazy things... but idk how anymore - I feel like I'm doing shit wrong
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Re: Tripping doesn't seem... worth it... anymore [Re: glimpee]
#21824311 - 06/18/15 04:10 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Odd. If it doesn't work and you can't seem to fix it, I guess it's time to find something else that does work?
Lame advice but probably the best I can do...
(of course in order to find a replacement you'd have to know what it is exactly that made tripping your favourite thing)
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Re: Tripping doesn't seem... worth it... anymore [Re: GoldenEye] 1
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After an LSD trip, I need to take a much longer break off of psychedelics than I do after a mushroom trip. I could do mushrooms every 2 weeks or so and have awesome trips each and every time. But LSD burns out my psychedelic needs for at least a month or two.
I'd suggest taking a break, or maybe attempt to take harmalas with mushrooms or LSD, as they can increase the trip.(Not 100% sure about LSD, but I think so)
I've had moments, laying on the bed wondering why I tripped at all. That trip was honestly so weird. 5 grams of decent mushrooms(it was 2 weeks after an LSD trip, maybe thats why) One second I feel so sober, and then another the world was morphing and melting around me, and then back to normal. That was probably one of the only times on shrooms I broke away from reality.
I ended up walking outside, to just kinda walk off the trip a bit. I almost thought I was being abducted(it was venus in the sky) and I ended up having an out of body experience zooming into space, noticing how little and meaningless we are, but that's the beauty of life. That we make our own problems, almost like the world would end otherwise, but it won't.
Anyways, what I'm trying to say is, maybe you just need to change up your psychedelic experience. Try to trip outdoors, or go camping and do so. It really feels like a whole new thing.
Oh and to lessismore, I kinda like being weird. The only people who are normal are people you don't know.
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Re: Tripping doesn't seem... worth it... anymore [Re: Achillita]
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Re: Tripping doesn't seem... worth it... anymore [Re: GoldenEye]
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Achillita said: After an LSD trip, I need to take a much longer break off of psychedelics than I do after a mushroom trip. I could do mushrooms every 2 weeks or so and have awesome trips each and every time. But LSD burns out my psychedelic needs for at least a month or two.
I'd suggest taking a break, or maybe attempt to take harmalas with mushrooms or LSD, as they can increase the trip.(Not 100% sure about LSD, but I think so)
I've had moments, laying on the bed wondering why I tripped at all. That trip was honestly so weird. 5 grams of decent mushrooms(it was 2 weeks after an LSD trip, maybe thats why) One second I feel so sober, and then another the world was morphing and melting around me, and then back to normal. That was probably one of the only times on shrooms I broke away from reality.
I ended up walking outside, to just kinda walk off the trip a bit. I almost thought I was being abducted(it was venus in the sky) and I ended up having an out of body experience zooming into space, noticing how little and meaningless we are, but that's the beauty of life. That we make our own problems, almost like the world would end otherwise, but it won't.
Anyways, what I'm trying to say is, maybe you just need to change up your psychedelic experience. Try to trip outdoors, or go camping and do so. It really feels like a whole new thing.
Oh and to lessismore, I kinda like being weird. The only people who are normal are people you don't know.
I spend 50% of my trip outside..
Something I forgot to mention, 1.5 hours after taking the shrooms I threw up - I was smoking oil in my car and thought I had it under control, but because i was tripping I didnt open my window and lean out. I was like "nah I got this" (im never like that, I was peaking tho) and I projectile booted inside my car. I think its possible that not having shrooms in my stomach shortened the trip - and its likely my fault that I didn't trip as hard as I could have
I used some old rags and water to clean it..
I thought that ended my trip - but I was lucky becaues I was already peaking. I smoked a cig after finished cleaning and the ground was moving around a decent ammount. coulda got a fractal if I tried
But the issue is, I want THAT feeling to last longer. Where the world is moving a great amount and everything looks like a liquid.
Ive never had an out of body experience - but thats one of the things i desperately want to experience. ANYTHING like that while tripping would make me soooooooo happy. I actually tried to see if I could extend out of my body when I went for a walk, but I wasnt tripping hard enough for anything to happen
It just like when I trip, I have a great time for two hours, and then I get something real to do, but once I get there the trip is like over. It just doesn't last long enough
Which is weird cuz I would often have 10+ hour trips on legendary doses
On top of that - the past 3 months have been really slow - Ive let my tolerance drop tripping once every 3 weeks max.... Youd think my tolerance would go down but I tripped less hard than I did when I took them weekly.
I used to be able to take 7+ tabs every weekend and have a great trip.... Well, great by my standards, which is like a 2 tab trip for other people...
Literally on the same LSD my friends will take 2 and Ill take 6, and my friend will trip harder. And it's not like I'm expecting to not trip hard - nor do I take it personally. I just realize it after the fact and its weird
Goldeneye - my favorite part about tripping is that 1. Your ego comes out to play! 2. The intense visual distortions 3. The weird vibe that sometimes happens
Mostly the visual distortions. I need a drug that will greately distort my visuals for 5+ hours
I can drive on 10 tabs when the world is falling apart so I can really handle my perceptions even while they're screwy - I just wanna see cool shit and I dont wanna have to focus hard and meditate for it to happen... I just want shrooms to show me the way for once
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Re: Tripping doesn't seem... worth it... anymore [Re: glimpee]
#21824499 - 06/18/15 04:52 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Re: Tripping doesn't seem... worth it... anymore [Re: glimpee]
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glimpee said: What could I be repressing that inhibits my trip? I've seemingly worked through most of my issues and am working through the smaller ones right now.
That's where it gets really tricky (if you are) because you never know what it is until it comes up. And there's no way to know what that might be if it's buried. Weird shit is weird. 
It all sounds to me like you just have a high natural tolerance. So consume more until you get the desired effects. Everybody's different. Just experiment, and fuck the negative reactions from the uninitiated.
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Re: Tripping doesn't seem... worth it... anymore [Re: GoldenEye]
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haha if only it were that easy
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Re: Tripping doesn't seem... worth it... anymore [Re: PrimalSoup]
#21825171 - 06/18/15 07:32 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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glimpee said: What could I be repressing that inhibits my trip? I've seemingly worked through most of my issues and am working through the smaller ones right now.
That's where it gets really tricky (if you are) because you never know what it is until it comes up. And there's no way to know what that might be if it's buried. Weird shit is weird. 
It all sounds to me like you just have a high natural tolerance. So consume more until you get the desired effects. Everybody's different. Just experiment, and fuck the negative reactions from the uninitiated. 
As I'm consuming more and spreading out my trips - I'm feeling less intense
And I cant afford to spend $150+ a trip... I just cant
Plus what happens when I get to 20 tabs to trip? $200 minimum per trip - and I dont work right now (schoolin - might get another job once I see my art school work load next year)
My heaviest issues had to do with music and my mom - I've internally resolved that but my mom is stubborn and closed minded - she denies anything ever happened (like she forgot all she did poorly in 5 years) so I can't really get closure. but I've accepted it
If anything the issue I have right now is that I'm not harmonious with my ancestors. Right now, I'm not sure I want to be - it's complex and I feel slight guilt - but will be unlikely that anything changes until I leave. It could - but the effort required and the toxic environments would make it not only difficult but risky. Either way - Im ok with the relationship - sometimes I just slip up and make them feel bad by handling the situation wrong
In practice - I've lost my spiritual "cool," allowing myself to be more dictated by emotion/surroundings. I'm working to reduce this - but regardless I'm more spiritually in-tune than the rest of my friends (sorry for sounding like a dick) and they still trip much harder than me - so I feel like that might not be the issue
I've also never ever had a repressed memory emerge while tripping. I like to think I have a good grip on my mind and knowledge of myself followed by introspection into my repression and darkness of my personality. I feel I know my issues and my state of mind - but as you said - this shit is weird
I might have some deep idea that is impeding true spirituality. Like a deep deep subconscious doubt ( I can identify my less deep subconscious doubts)
My sober trip is still weak, and now my actual trips are getting weaker. I feel like I'm losing touch with trippiness but I've only perceived myself getting closer.
Much to think on
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Re: Tripping doesn't seem... worth it... anymore [Re: glimpee]
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Maybe u should look into taking small amountts of MAOIs with acid/shrooms 
Do your research on MAOIs cause they can be dangerous if u take too much.
But with a pinch of it, it can provide a more powerful psychedelic experience
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Re: Tripping doesn't seem... worth it... anymore [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
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LogicaL Chaos said: Maybe u should look into taking small amountts of MAOIs with acid/shrooms 
Do your research on MAOIs cause they can be dangerous if u take too much.
But with a pinch of it, it can provide a more powerful psychedelic experience 
It looks like its not over the counter - you know anything that suggests otherwise?
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Re: Tripping doesn't seem... worth it... anymore [Re: glimpee]
#21825237 - 06/18/15 07:51 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Plants have them, B. caapi and Syrian Rue are most common. You can buy them online such as from shroomery vendors i believe (never shopped shroomery vendors, so im not sure)
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LogicaL Chaos said: Plants have them, B. caapi and Syrian Rue are most common. You can buy them online such as from shroomery vendors i believe (never shopped shroomery vendors, so im not sure)
Ok cool thank, Ill look into it
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Re: Tripping doesn't seem... worth it... anymore [Re: glimpee]
#21825445 - 06/18/15 08:43 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I might have some deep idea that is impeding true spirituality. Like a deep deep subconscious doubt ( I can identify my less deep subconscious doubts)
Re the expense - that's why I said grow mushrooms. As much as you need, just a bit north of free for the picking. For that $150 you can be set up, at least ghetto style, but it'll get it done.
And this, ya need to go so deep that everything lays itself out in detail. IME it's the only way to get free. Repeat as needed.
It's what Grof was working with - there was always a dosage that opened the doors, even in the face of strong resistance. And you don't know where the resistance is coming from, just that you're getting better at resisting psychs, somehow.
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Re: Tripping doesn't seem... worth it... anymore [Re: PrimalSoup]
#21825941 - 06/18/15 10:39 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I might have some deep idea that is impeding true spirituality. Like a deep deep subconscious doubt ( I can identify my less deep subconscious doubts)
Re the expense - that's why I said grow mushrooms. As much as you need, just a bit north of free for the picking. For that $150 you can be set up, at least ghetto style, but it'll get it done.
And this, ya need to go so deep that everything lays itself out in detail. IME it's the only way to get free. Repeat as needed.
It's what Grof was working with - there was always a dosage that opened the doors, even in the face of strong resistance. And you don't know where the resistance is coming from, just that you're getting better at resisting psychs, somehow. 
I like LSD a lot more - but I understand the practality.
How much space would I need to be able to ingest 5-10 grams every week or two? I honestly know nothing about growing
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Re: Tripping doesn't seem... worth it... anymore [Re: glimpee]
#21826067 - 06/18/15 11:08 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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If you had a monotub, you could get maybe 2-3 ounces dried over a harvest or 2. I personally love growing, the tripping is just a plus now. The amount of space would literally be a small clear plastic tub to grow that much.
Also, harmalas(which are reversible maois) can really extend a mushroom trip. And it also increases the intensity, so you won't have to eat as much to trip. I'm pretty sure it also increases the intensity of LSD, but I'm not 100% sure.
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Re: Tripping doesn't seem... worth it... anymore [Re: Achillita]
#21826447 - 06/19/15 01:18 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Achillita said: If you had a monotub, you could get maybe 2-3 ounces dried over a harvest or 2. I personally love growing, the tripping is just a plus now. The amount of space would literally be a small clear plastic tub to grow that much.
Also, harmalas(which are reversible maois) can really extend a mushroom trip. And it also increases the intensity, so you won't have to eat as much to trip. I'm pretty sure it also increases the intensity of LSD, but I'm not 100% sure.
Cool! Im likely getting a solo dorm/apartment next year and Im so gonna start growing. Im guessing a harvest is like 3-6 months but Ill learn more and talk to other friends who have grown caps
Ive been unable to find info on how to get moai's legally - do you have any experience getting/extracting it? Or maybe know where I can learn more?
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Re: Tripping doesn't seem... worth it... anymore [Re: glimpee]
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If you're looking for an effective and cheap maoi, BUy syrian rue seeds. They are super cheap, I paid 5 dollars for 114 grams, that's a lot of maoi.
You can either eat the seeds alone, make tea, or extract it. Syrian rue is pretty heavy in alkaloids. I think like 8-10% of the weight.
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Re: Tripping doesn't seem... worth it... anymore [Re: Achillita]
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Achillita said: If you're looking for an effective and cheap maoi, BUy syrian rue seeds. They are super cheap, I paid 5 dollars for 114 grams, that's a lot of maoi.
You can either eat the seeds alone, make tea, or extract it. Syrian rue is pretty heavy in alkaloids. I think like 8-10% of the weight.
Cool, thanks! Ill probably just eat them - tea makes the trip happen way too fast... I'm all about 8+ hours of visuals - I wanna trip until I'm literally sick of tripping haha
i miss that....
Thanks again!
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Re: Tripping doesn't seem... worth it... anymore [Re: Achillita]
#21826478 - 06/19/15 01:34 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Achillita said: If you're looking for an effective and cheap maoi, BUy syrian rue seeds. They are super cheap, I paid 5 dollars for 114 grams, that's a lot of maoi.
You can either eat the seeds alone, make tea, or extract it. Syrian rue is pretty heavy in alkaloids. I think like 8-10% of the weight.
by the way u got an ill sig - you make it or na?
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Re: Tripping doesn't seem... worth it... anymore [Re: glimpee]
#21826507 - 06/19/15 01:49 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Sadly no, But I knew the guy who made it! He said I could use it, I thought it was cool and calming.
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Re: Tripping doesn't seem... worth it... anymore [Re: glimpee]
#21826521 - 06/19/15 01:56 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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LogicaL Chaos said: Maybe u should look into taking small amountts of MAOIs with acid/shrooms 
Do your research on MAOIs cause they can be dangerous if u take too much.
But with a pinch of it, it can provide a more powerful psychedelic experience 
It looks like its not over the counter - you know anything that suggests otherwise?
Also a very dangerous advice yes MAOIs can be really dangerous, can kill you easily
But sure if you think it is worth it for a 10% stronger trip, then go ahead
You might not know the alkaloid content, you will have to figure it out by experimenting....
Taking MAOIs is just about as dangerous as taking Nbomes, you may end up drinking some stuff that doesn't mix with MAOI next day and die.
Your body/liver etc. may digest the maoi slower than others, so it lasts next day(s) maybe...
Just take some more shrooms if you really need a stronger trip is my advice, it's not like most people go to a true 5g trip often anyway... a true 5g trip should scare you the hell away from repeating it
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Re: Tripping doesn't seem... worth it... anymore [Re: lessismore]
#21826536 - 06/19/15 02:04 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Okay, hold up. Maois, at least reversible ones that are in plants, are 100% safe. Harmalines don't effect your gastrointestinal maois that actually digest food. On any dose of Maoi I've taken, I have not fasted but once. The worst thing that happened is my stomach had hurt from the actual rue.
It's best to stay away from those types of foods, just in case, but has proven unnecessary really. And maois almost double the power of a trip IMO.
Now most Maois in medication can be harmful as they are not reversible moais. They stay in your system for up to 3 weeks. But plant maois are very safe, as that's the main basis for ayahuasca(which is a safe hallucinogen)
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Re: Tripping doesn't seem... worth it... anymore [Re: lessismore]
#21826540 - 06/19/15 02:06 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Grapejuice, that's how easy it is to die on MAOI
and it can also potentiate your shrooms dangerously , a 2.5g trip may feel like a 5g trip I've heard
I once had a shroom trip become really intense(much too intense) after I drank some juice, but not sure if it had grapejuice in it...
The danger is you do not know sometimes if your juice has grapejuice in it, people have died from drinking grapejuice with maoi/shrooms iirc (can't quite remember)
It will potentiate it a lot... and noone knows how much, but likely a 2.5g shrooms would be like 5g shrooms , you would regret lol - and likely last longer than usual too - maybe 12hr trip
If I ever were to take a MAOI for ayahuasca i.e. I would fast the whole week likely, also helps meditation/more spiritual trips when fasting, you just never know next day(s) what may be dangerous to eat
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Re: Tripping doesn't seem... worth it... anymore [Re: lessismore]
#21826551 - 06/19/15 02:13 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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There's a reason people weigh their shrooms on a scale, because taking 2gs too much may be bad for the psyche
with a MAOI you will have to do some weeks of very careful experimentation
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Re: Tripping doesn't seem... worth it... anymore [Re: GoldenEye]
#21826571 - 06/19/15 02:21 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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GoldenEye said: You still lie in bed awake at 4 am don't you?
I've always wondered how the psychedelic experience changes with age. Can you describe how it did for you?
I once took too much LSD now I only lay in bed, the public scares me my words won't come out right why are you talking to me? I can't breathe
:-D
But yea, great with some oldtime trippers in here instead of 16year old kids that think they should just take as much as possible anywhere possible If you don't treat your mind as sacred then you won't get much out of it, if you just think you can do anything on 200ug+ , go anywhere
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Re: Tripping doesn't seem... worth it... anymore [Re: lessismore]
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My best trips have been 4-5 grams, as it's the dose I find the most amazing and profound. He has been saying psychedelics effect him at a lower rate than most, and that he usually takes the higher dosages.
You can drink grape juice on a reversible Maoi. On prescription maois, grapefruit can be fatal. Most people agree it potentiates the psychedelics 2x more. So all you have to do is plan your dose accordingly. Also reversible maois are usually no longer in effect about 8 hours after ingesting.
What I'm trying to say is, these maois are completely safe with any food you're going to eat. However it can have adverse reactions to many drugs that people take. Meth and cocaine + maoi can cause death. You can usually search up what medication is a nono to combine with a maoi.
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Re: Tripping doesn't seem... worth it... anymore [Re: Achillita]
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lessismore said: If I ever were to take a MAOI for ayahuasca i.e. I would fast the whole week likely, also helps meditation/more spiritual trips when fasting, you just never know next day(s) what may be dangerous to eat
You are greatly exaggerating here. If you take a pharmaceutical MAOI you'd have to be real careful. Harmalas are RIMA's though. Reversible Inhibitors of Monoaminooxidase A. That means you can get away with eating anything in normal quantities but it is better to take the precaution and stick to a diet as if it were a MAOI.
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Re: Tripping doesn't seem... worth it... anymore [Re: glimpee]
#21826778 - 06/19/15 05:18 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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GoldenEye and Achillita got it spot on right
Combining a Maoi will add its own twist to the tale,but that doesnt imply its novely will last if abused frequently,if you can deal with it then that shouldnt hurt your expectations
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Re: Tripping doesn't seem... worth it... anymore [Re: Elff]
#21826943 - 06/19/15 07:05 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Visual snow. And really man? You dose that high and you still don't get much from it? How about the visuals? You have to be having amazing visuals at least. Idk how often you've done these drugs, but if it's getting bkring, take a break for awhile. These drugs are more like tools than recreational fun.
I get sick of it too if I've been tripping at least 2-4 times a month for a couple months. The mind and body demand breaks from it. But it is always mind blowing when I return. So yeah, take a break and indulge in a hobby. Mine is art or music or traveling. Even reading some good books. Get your mind off tripping in general for awhile and when you get back into it in a month or two at least, you should be amazed again. I don't even need to ever dose that high. But i do use these substances, mushrooms at least, as spiritual and psychological therapy.
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Re: Tripping doesn't seem... worth it... anymore [Re: lessismore]
#21827905 - 06/19/15 12:00 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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lessismore said: Grapejuice, that's how easy it is to die on MAOI
and it can also potentiate your shrooms dangerously , a 2.5g trip may feel like a 5g trip I've heard
I once had a shroom trip become really intense(much too intense) after I drank some juice, but not sure if it had grapejuice in it...
The danger is you do not know sometimes if your juice has grapejuice in it, people have died from drinking grapejuice with maoi/shrooms iirc (can't quite remember)
It will potentiate it a lot... and noone knows how much, but likely a 2.5g shrooms would be like 5g shrooms , you would regret lol - and likely last longer than usual too - maybe 12hr trip
If I ever were to take a MAOI for ayahuasca i.e. I would fast the whole week likely, also helps meditation/more spiritual trips when fasting, you just never know next day(s) what may be dangerous to eat
If youre worried I won't be able to handle it... Dont. I WANT shrooms or lsd to overwhelm me and give me a bad trip - it's yet to happen and I want to experience it.
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Re: Tripping doesn't seem... worth it... anymore [Re: Heisencybin]
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Heisencybin said: Visual snow. And really man? You dose that high and you still don't get much from it? How about the visuals? You have to be having amazing visuals at least. Idk how often you've done these drugs, but if it's getting bkring, take a break for awhile. These drugs are more like tools than recreational fun.
I get sick of it too if I've been tripping at least 2-4 times a month for a couple months. The mind and body demand breaks from it. But it is always mind blowing when I return. So yeah, take a break and indulge in a hobby. Mine is art or music or traveling. Even reading some good books. Get your mind off tripping in general for awhile and when you get back into it in a month or two at least, you should be amazed again. I don't even need to ever dose that high. But i do use these substances, mushrooms at least, as spiritual and psychological therapy.
Im pretty sure I already answered all your questions, but here
No, not visual snow. Again, visual snow is a chalky static "fog" layer, while what I experience has underlying neon colors, and does not take up near all my vision - it just makes patterns on things. I hadn't realized until last trip but all patterns are made from this when I trip - and when I no longer see the static I no longer has visuals.
For my visuals - no they're usually not that intense, I have had them be really intense in the past tho. I've never had street signs duplicate or anything like that since the first few times I tripped tho. I just kinda get a fisheye lense, patterns start to flow (patterns are almost everywhere), and colors get more vibrant.
On a high visual trip - shit duplicated (OR EVEN TRIPPLES! that trip was ill) and flows FAST... while usually when I'm tripping everything just "breathes."
I gotta take like 5+ tabs of 200ug (so over 1000ug) to get intense visuals - 7.5 grams of shrooms proved to be pretty intense for 2-3 hours, but no duplication.... and I wasn't able to do some of the things I was able to do on my last intense trip. I also had good shrooms, 4 grams of golden caps and 3.5 of truffles
On a desired trip - I have vivid CEV, fast/duplicated OEV, warped perspective/depth, and seeing some form of someting that isn't usually there.
I usually get half of those when I trip.
Again, I just took a break from tripping. I tripped a month ago and then like 2 months before that (its been dry) - I also do art and music, check my sig out 
See I went into this trip thinking my tolerance was lower than its even been since I upped my doseage, AND I was having a lot - but I only tripped kinda hard for like 2-3 hours....
I should also add I've come to the conclusion that I wasted the trip - rather than the trip being a waste
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Re: Tripping doesn't seem... worth it... anymore [Re: Achillita]
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Achillita said: My best trips have been 4-5 grams, as it's the dose I find the most amazing and profound. He has been saying psychedelics effect him at a lower rate than most, and that he usually takes the higher dosages.
You can drink grape juice on a reversible Maoi. On prescription maois, grapefruit can be fatal. Most people agree it potentiates the psychedelics 2x more. So all you have to do is plan your dose accordingly. Also reversible maois are usually no longer in effect about 8 hours after ingesting.
What I'm trying to say is, these maois are completely safe with any food you're going to eat. However it can have adverse reactions to many drugs that people take. Meth and cocaine + maoi can cause death. You can usually search up what medication is a nono to combine with a maoi.
Thank all of you for the warnings. Ill definatly look into it more and I don't even eat much anyways
I might take like 6 tabs, some natural moai, AND grapejuice tho.... that just sounds like a dream come true - but dw I'll be cautious
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Re: Tripping doesn't seem... worth it... anymore [Re: glimpee]
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Just start slow if you add the MAOI. It's a different ball game.
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Re: Tripping doesn't seem... worth it... anymore [Re: GoldenEye]
#21828433 - 06/19/15 02:42 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Dude ya gotta check or meds too. Some DO NOT MIX with maoi's!
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Re: Tripping doesn't seem... worth it... anymore [Re: TrippieHunter]
#21828438 - 06/19/15 02:43 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Good point. Most drugs are extremely dangerous to take with MAOIs. Make sure to check out a list of all interactions before you start to take them. There are even tons of foods you can't eat if you are on an MAOI
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Re: Tripping doesn't seem... worth it... anymore [Re: glimpee]
#21828598 - 06/19/15 03:23 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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If youre worried I won't be able to handle it... Dont. I WANT shrooms or lsd to overwhelm me and give me a bad trip - it's yet to happen and I want to experience it.
I am not, I am worried that since I don't know you you may be a foolish irresponsible 15-20 year teenager who has never done drugs before/shrooms before, who just want to go as high as possible and take whatever it takes to get there
And even worse, one that is already high on drugs with impaired judgement
So they will just take anything without researching
Advicing people to take a MAOI I would probably never do, it's up to themselves to research it, there is a lot to research if they want not to kill themselves.
People can have bad trips already on shrooms, rather easily, with MAOI you are increasing the bad odds
You may not be able to handle it when it happens , and I don't know you
Anything may happen on a high dose - that's why I don't recommend high doses to people either, people run out naked in the streets in front of cops and get shot
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Re: Tripping doesn't seem... worth it... anymore [Re: lessismore]
#21828968 - 06/19/15 05:03 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Grapejuice can kill u if u ate MAOis?
Where did u get that info from?
Its important to start low with any maoi, such as syrian rue. 1 gram rue with 2 grams of shrooms would be my first test dose to see how sensitive u are to maois.
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Re: Tripping doesn't seem... worth it... anymore [Re: lessismore]
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If youre worried I won't be able to handle it... Dont. I WANT shrooms or lsd to overwhelm me and give me a bad trip - it's yet to happen and I want to experience it.
I am not, I am worried that since I don't know you you may be a foolish irresponsible 15-20 year teenager who has never done drugs before/shrooms before, who just want to go as high as possible and take whatever it takes to get there
And even worse, one that is already high on drugs with impaired judgement
So they will just take anything without researching
Advicing people to take a MAOI I would probably never do, it's up to themselves to research it, there is a lot to research if they want not to kill themselves.
People can have bad trips already on shrooms, rather easily, with MAOI you are increasing the bad odds
You may not be able to handle it when it happens , and I don't know you
Anything may happen on a high dose - that's why I don't recommend high doses to people either, people run out naked in the streets in front of cops and get shot
Haha I am 19 years old, but Im experienced and have been known to have good mental control/maturity.... I honestly hate talking about myself like that but I'm just trying to relay some form of information
Ive gone up to ~10 tabs and still haven't got the kind of trip I wanted
My hardest trip was 7 200ug tabs, .12 of molly, and 1.2 grams of shrooms. I could have handled double that tbh - but it would have been difficult
I'm still upping my dosage to test my boundaries - but I had a good half year of taking heroic doses weekly, and I haven't really found a limit yet.
I just cant be spending 150+ for the chance that I might have the trip I want, so Maoi's were a fantastic suggestion of something I should look into
and I'ma be careful. Ill have backup friends if I need to get picked up or if I start to freak out, and I'll do my research before I even consider getting any
Thanks for the warning tho
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Re: Tripping doesn't seem... worth it... anymore [Re: glimpee]
#21829166 - 06/19/15 06:03 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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glimpee said: Idk....
Ive tripped twice in the past month and a half. I just finished tripping an hour or so ago
I don't really have any cool experiences, I have to make my own and I often feel like I waste the trip doing stupid shit. I experiment a lot when I'm tripping and I guess if I don't find anything new or if I get too distracted it feels like a waste
But I feel like if I shouldn't have to take 7.5 grams to be disappointed
Like I have to take 10+ tabs to actually enjoy the experience, and at that point I'm spending a lot of money and its really hard to even find that quantity
But my dilema is that I don't know enough and my mind isn't psychoactivated enough yet
So I'm not tripping in sobriety and I'm not tripping hard when I take drugs
I just wanna we overwhelmed by the psychadelic - for it to show me something new. But I feel like I've killed the magic but understanding it too well
(by the way, what do you call the stuff that makes patterns in the darkness while youre tripping? It almost looks like vibrating static.... I hope you know what I mean because all I gained from that trip was being able to describe this static finally)
the worst part is it doesn't even feel like it lasts long enough
Get better drugs. You shouldn't need a 10 strip to have an intense experience. 2 hits of this WoW I have will send you into hyperspace.
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Re: Tripping doesn't seem... worth it... anymore [Re: Malcolm_Xtasy]
#21829814 - 06/19/15 08:09 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Brah it sounds like you just have a natural tolerance. I haven't really had any visuals like I did when I first tripped when I was 12, I am WELL over that now.
Maybe your brain can keep up with the demand of being introduced these new chemicals? Who knows. My wife can out drink, smoke, snort me any day of the
week. Because she has a natural tolerance, to everything! Give this bad boy a watch, he says to take 20-30 grams for a real ride.
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Re: Tripping doesn't seem... worth it... anymore [Re: Malcolm_Xtasy]
#21829826 - 06/19/15 08:12 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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glimpee said: Idk....
Ive tripped twice in the past month and a half. I just finished tripping an hour or so ago
I don't really have any cool experiences, I have to make my own and I often feel like I waste the trip doing stupid shit. I experiment a lot when I'm tripping and I guess if I don't find anything new or if I get too distracted it feels like a waste
But I feel like if I shouldn't have to take 7.5 grams to be disappointed
Like I have to take 10+ tabs to actually enjoy the experience, and at that point I'm spending a lot of money and its really hard to even find that quantity
But my dilema is that I don't know enough and my mind isn't psychoactivated enough yet
So I'm not tripping in sobriety and I'm not tripping hard when I take drugs
I just wanna we overwhelmed by the psychadelic - for it to show me something new. But I feel like I've killed the magic but understanding it too well
(by the way, what do you call the stuff that makes patterns in the darkness while youre tripping? It almost looks like vibrating static.... I hope you know what I mean because all I gained from that trip was being able to describe this static finally)
the worst part is it doesn't even feel like it lasts long enough
Get better drugs. You shouldn't need a 10 strip to have an intense experience. 2 hits of this WoW I have will send you into hyperspace.
I agree. 2 tabs of 150ug LSD sends me into space, I usually can't remember my own name and the visuals are always crazy. Listening to music on a good dose of LSD is so magical, you just see the music in the air and it turns into beautiful shapes and stuff that is in sync with the beat. Damn I love lsd!
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Re: Tripping doesn't seem... worth it... anymore [Re: Gottaloveacid]
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Re: Tripping doesn't seem... worth it... anymore [Re: Gottaloveacid]
#21829856 - 06/19/15 08:17 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yeah it sounds like you get some fire around your parts too
Last time I took three tabs I literally felt like I was a guitar getting played by the universe. The sound was vibrating through my body and giving me those ridiculous visuals. Tame Impala is perfect for tripping
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Re: Tripping doesn't seem... worth it... anymore [Re: Malcolm_Xtasy]
#21831196 - 06/20/15 03:23 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Look at it as though consciousness were a set of stairs. Each stair represents a higher level of health, integration, and preparedness. At the bottom one can use the psychedelics with beer, opium, and cocaine to have a wilder party. One can use them to lose one’s self, have great sex, etc. Fine and good; nothing really wrong, if that’s what you want to do—it beats shooting people and raping the environment! This is, however, a low level of consciousness. Then you go up a few levels and you think that you can do some good with these compounds. Let’s use them for study- ing madness or curing addiction. Still a pretty low level of consciousness and no real commitment to personal development. This use is directed outward, not in- ward. Change comes from within—it can never be imposed from the outside.
The next step up it occurs that maybe you could use psychedelics for finding answers to questions in your life, perhaps even for vision questing. Now we’re beginning to start on a more consciousness-oriented trip. But how are we doing it? Are we really arranging it so that we are creating an environment that unequivocally sets the stage for a leap into consciousness, or are we programming the trip with interrup- tions (telephone calls, visitors)? The purer our intention, the greater the possible results become. It can be quite subtle. You cannot plan it all out beyond a certain point or it becomes a control trip. You cannot program out spontaneity, but you can be intelligent and sensitive, and remember not to make the same mistake too many times in a row.
Then you can use the psychedelics as an adjunct to tantra, meditation and/or yoga, devoting your entire trip to learning to go deep in these disciplines while continuing these practices on a long-term basis.
This is the highest, most visionary, and most produc- tive level. From whatever level you begin, the psychedelics will enhance, intensify, deepen, or broaden your experience, but they are working with the level of consciousness you pro- vide them.
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Re: Tripping doesn't seem... worth it... anymore [Re: dixienormous]
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Also, every week? Tolerance will come into play if you dose every week. Slow it down man.
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Re: Tripping doesn't seem... worth it... anymore [Re: GoldenEye]
#21832532 - 06/20/15 02:08 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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GoldenEye said: Also, every week? Tolerance will come into play if you dose every week. Slow it down man.
I did slow it down. And I would alternate - shrooms, lsd, shrooms, and it was a week at MOST. I found that my tolerance DID go down enough for me to enjoy my next trip
If you read previous posts, you would know my concern is that now that I am spacing it out a lot more, I'm not tripping as hard
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Re: Tripping doesn't seem... worth it... anymore [Re: Malcolm_Xtasy]
#21832539 - 06/20/15 02:10 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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glimpee said: Idk....
Ive tripped twice in the past month and a half. I just finished tripping an hour or so ago
I don't really have any cool experiences, I have to make my own and I often feel like I waste the trip doing stupid shit. I experiment a lot when I'm tripping and I guess if I don't find anything new or if I get too distracted it feels like a waste
But I feel like if I shouldn't have to take 7.5 grams to be disappointed
Like I have to take 10+ tabs to actually enjoy the experience, and at that point I'm spending a lot of money and its really hard to even find that quantity
But my dilema is that I don't know enough and my mind isn't psychoactivated enough yet
So I'm not tripping in sobriety and I'm not tripping hard when I take drugs
I just wanna we overwhelmed by the psychadelic - for it to show me something new. But I feel like I've killed the magic but understanding it too well
(by the way, what do you call the stuff that makes patterns in the darkness while youre tripping? It almost looks like vibrating static.... I hope you know what I mean because all I gained from that trip was being able to describe this static finally)
the worst part is it doesn't even feel like it lasts long enough
Get better drugs. You shouldn't need a 10 strip to have an intense experience. 2 hits of this WoW I have will send you into hyperspace.
...is there a way I can stop you people asking the same question?
No, the drugs aren't the problem. Two tabs would send my pal into hyperspace while I would take 5 and be like "its alright"
If you wanna assume that 4 pages into a fourm that the OP didn't even consider that he might just have bad shit - then maybe look back through the fourm. Because like 10 other people asked it and that question has been resolved.
now if you have anything positive to add - giving me the benefit of the doubt that I am a reasonably experienced and knowledgeable tripper, I would appreciate it.
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Re: Tripping doesn't seem... worth it... anymore [Re: glimpee] 1
#21832544 - 06/20/15 02:13 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Don't take psychedelics for a year and then eat a ten strip.
Or eat a quarter of mushrooms on an empty stomach.
I'm not really sure what you want people to tell you besides stop tripping so often.
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Re: Tripping doesn't seem... worth it... anymore [Re: glimpee]
#21832547 - 06/20/15 02:14 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Sometimes the answer is the one we least want to hear, i.e. take a long break
LSD gives tolerance if you do it every week in high doses, that's why it doesn't work for you
you need a months break to be able to trip again
LSD every week in high doses also changes our thoughts long term, for weeks, months usually, we become 'weird' - especially high doses do this usually. The tripper might be so deluded by his thoughts that the tripper cannot see it himself that he is abusing the LSD and acting crazy, but everyone else in the channel,board,public can see it easily.
(c) the experienced tripper?
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#21832557 - 06/20/15 02:17 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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And alternating LSD and mushrooms doesn't help towards reducing your tolerance as they act on similar receptors and have cross tolerance.
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Re: Tripping doesn't seem... worth it... anymore [Re: GoldenEye] 1
#21832569 - 06/20/15 02:20 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I really don't understand how people trip so often anyways. I trip maybe 4-5 times a year on average. I feel like I need at least one month minimum for my mind to bounce back and integrate what the fuck just happened to me. It's like MDMA or anything else you abuse, eventually its gonna lose the magic. Then you're just stuck with a 12 hour experience (LSD) that you wanna stop halfway through. What fun is that?
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Re: Tripping doesn't seem... worth it... anymore [Re: Malcolm_Xtasy]
#21833672 - 06/20/15 07:44 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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If I recall correctly, LSD isn't metabolized by monoamine oxidase, so MAOIs like syrian rue or B. caapi won't potentiate an acid trip. They work great for mushrooms, though. Just start off with a low dose to get a feel for it first.
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Re: Tripping doesn't seem... worth it... anymore [Re: Starless]
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This whole convo is like two people arguing about the price of some fish, only one of them thinks they're buying tomatoes. 
Give the guy a break! His problem isn't frequency or bad drugs, it's that he has high tolerance, plain and simple. It happens. There've been dozens of threads here exactly the same problem over the last few years.
OP requires a lot to get off, like having massive tolerance even with no drugs done at all. How would y'all like that? Everybody's different, all it is.
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Re: Tripping doesn't seem... worth it... anymore [Re: PrimalSoup]
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PrimalSoup said: This whole convo is like two people arguing about the price of some fish, only one of them thinks they're buying tomatoes. 
Give the guy a break! His problem isn't frequency or bad drugs, it's that he has high tolerance, plain and simple. It happens. There've been dozens of threads here exactly the same problem over the last few years.
OP requires a lot to get off, like having massive tolerance even with no drugs done at all. How would y'all like that? Everybody's different, all it is. 
Thanks 
to respond to everyone else before him
I didnt eat for 4 days before the trip
3 months ago i tripped weekly, the past 3 months has been 2 real trips and one fake trip. I HAVE spread out my time and am NOW getting less effects. If it has to do with a built tolerance, why didn't I have tolerance for the 6 months I took them weekly?
I am aware that some people get deluded. Because of this I constantly ask trusted people for honest assessments, if anything most think I'm rising above my peers in terms of maturity and empathy. Coming from them, not me.
If I was stuck with a 12 hour trip - fuck yeah I'd be down. But I barely trip for a few hours (at least the past few times I've tripped) and it's not been worth it! Its not like its the same thing but less magical, its a less intense experience - and since I cant find a deal where I can get close to breaking even - and at the same time I'm not tripping as hard - idk what to do!
Im trying to learn to trip while sober, in simple words. However, my dreams are becoming more realistic, and my trips are becoming less intense
I was trying to break this reality but somehow I grounded more of myself in it
Is is possible that if I learn to master reality in my dreams it would be easier to transfer dream-ability to this reality - but that's to be seen.
I'm just worried and am looking for some advice
What ever more worrying is that NO ONE has ANY experience with the type of static I see while tripping. It was impossible to describe for so long, and now no one has ever experienced (or noticed) it
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Re: Tripping doesn't seem... worth it... anymore [Re: glimpee]
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I always thought I'd be seeing many more crisp hallucinations on LSD. Never happened.
Take ketamine or 3rd, 4th plateau DXM for hallucination city.
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Re: Tripping doesn't seem... worth it... anymore [Re: SoupSandwich]
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SoupSandwich said: I always thought I'd be seeing many more crisp hallucinations on LSD. Never happened.
Take ketamine or 3rd, 4th plateau DXM for hallucination city.
Ketamine makes you hallucinate??
Uma get DXM soon - any OTC recommendations?
Yeah before I took psychedelics I thought u actually hallucinate - my teachers lied to me and set me up for disappointment. Once I realized they don't make you hallucinate tho I was no longer scared of them ahah (stupid ass teachers)
I hallucinated on DMT too
But I'm not even looking for hallucinations. I'm just looking for movement, fractals, color change, new experienced, intensity, and longevity. I would LOVE to have a trippy experience that takes me away from this reality - but the more i want it the less I'm able to experience it
It's interesting - it seems that all with spiritual power are dead set against proving their power and showing it off. Almost like humbleness and empathy are really the keys to unlocking this power. Things like greed and self-elevation likely prevent the progress or ability of these "powers"
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Re: Tripping doesn't seem... worth it... anymore [Re: glimpee]
#21837422 - 06/21/15 02:51 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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this will help you hallucinate
btw LSD is a nice molecule, it stops working when it has taught you, then no more lessons usually and no more visuals
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Re: Tripping doesn't seem... worth it... anymore [Re: glimpee]
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Not sure what 'powers' you mean, but try kundalini yoga mediation and dissociatives.
Meditation / astral projection really works but takes an almost inhuman amount of concentration. That's where the speedy tail of DXM comes in. Amazing.
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Re: Tripping doesn't seem... worth it... anymore [Re: SoupSandwich]
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I do know what you're talking about when you start to see patterns in a dark room. I've had trips that seemed pretty weak/done until I decide to do to bed.. then suddenly my pitch black room is strobing at me with bright ass geometric rainbow lights n shit. I think you just notice how stimulated your mind is when you take away your vision. Seems counter intuitive.
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Re: Tripping doesn't seem... worth it... anymore [Re: BobaJones]
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But I feel you man
Can you do me a huge favor? Next time you trip - try to be aware of what you once saw - and let me know if it's always there or not. I went a long time without noticing what the patterns were and it took me even longer to be able to learn to describe it - so others might have to go through something similar.
I really just want to know if anyone else actually experiences the same thing - if trips are that wildly different then my mind is blown
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Re: Tripping doesn't seem... worth it... anymore [Re: lessismore]
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this will help you hallucinate
btw LSD is a nice molecule, it stops working when it has taught you, then no more lessons usually and no more visuals
I thought a little about LSD teaching me all it can.
That would mean that when I achieved an ultimate fractal and made myself hallucinate different rooms and objects - I learned everything, because thats the last real trip I had.
But I still need to learn more so I can incorporate those "powers" into my reality - and I've still yet to experience any mind/body separation or egodeath....
i mean unless I'm already merged and didn't realize it but I really doubt that
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Re: Tripping doesn't seem... worth it... anymore [Re: glimpee]
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Uhm yes, psychedelics make you hallucinate. Or at least they can.
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Re: Tripping doesn't seem... worth it... anymore [Re: PrimalSoup]
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I've had hallucinations on mushrooms plenty of times. Melted into mirrors, the walls waving until there is only space behind. I've even had an out of body experience where I was shown how small the earth was in comparison to the universe. Psychs can get a bit wierd.
OP, maybe just take a month or 2 break, learn some stuff, live life. Just relax and then dive back into the psychedelia.
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Re: Tripping doesn't seem... worth it... anymore [Re: Achillita]
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OP, maybe just take a month or 2 break, learn some stuff, live life. Just relax and then dive back into the psychedelia.
When I talk about hallucinations I mean seeing something that really isnt there. Not like breaking into a pattern - but more like seeing an object or being.
And again - I just took 2 month long breaks before trips and thats why I'm here
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Re: Tripping doesn't seem... worth it... anymore [Re: glimpee]
#21840551 - 06/22/15 03:46 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Maybe your source is shit?
Also check your motivation behind wanting to "trip." Seems to me you're doing it because you're bored. I find that psychedelics interact differently with each person. Maybe the psychedelics you're taking think you're boring and don't want to play with you... :P
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Re: Tripping doesn't seem... worth it... anymore [Re: glimpee]
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this will help you hallucinate
btw LSD is a nice molecule, it stops working when it has taught you, then no more lessons usually and no more visuals
I thought a little about LSD teaching me all it can.
That would mean that when I achieved an ultimate fractal and made myself hallucinate different rooms and objects - I learned everything, because thats the last real trip I had.
But I still need to learn more so I can incorporate those "powers" into my reality - and I've still yet to experience any mind/body separation or egodeath....
i mean unless I'm already merged and didn't realize it but I really doubt that
just trip?
tripping for power, that's a bad way of tripping
it seems you expect what you want to happen, you read somewhere that people got enlightened and egodeath and now they are gurus, so now you want too
or you read somewhere that people got creative so now you want too, if you dont get creative you get unhappy
maybe you even heard that people see god and become god, so if you dont get godly powers you get unhappy too, you want to understand the whole universe
a mind that expects power gets crazy
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Re: Tripping doesn't seem... worth it... anymore [Re: glimpee]
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Take a looong break, 6 months or more then plan a really good trip with a good friend etc
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Re: Tripping doesn't seem... worth it... anymore [Re: glimpee]
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When I talk about hallucinations I mean seeing something that really isnt there. Not like breaking into a pattern - but more like seeing an object or being.
Yeah, hallucinations, things that aren't there. Hallucinogens do that. Psychedelics are hallucinogens. It takes massive doses.
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Re: Tripping doesn't seem... worth it... anymore [Re: PrimalSoup]
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When I talk about hallucinations I mean seeing something that really isnt there. Not like breaking into a pattern - but more like seeing an object or being.
Yeah, hallucinations, things that aren't there. Hallucinogens do that. Psychedelics are hallucinogens. It takes massive doses. 
how massive? Cuz Im double legendary dosage - Ive gone up to 11ish tabs of 150ug+
I totally hallucinated on that - but I taught myself to. It was something I worked for, not something that just happened. Plus I had to do a trick where I had my eyes half closed - to imprint my imagination on reality as I quickly fluttered my eyes and allowed imagination to draw
Its strange, to hallucinate you have to completely let go for a few moments. At least I do
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Re: Tripping doesn't seem... worth it... anymore [Re: glimpee]
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How massive? Well, that's get into a territory that's really something else altogether, where you can go with massive dosing, places where the ordinary "laws" of physics and probability change, where time itself can run backwards or in stitched-together streams.
Massive to me is just this side of blacking out. If I'm tripping daily on mushrooms, after max tolerance builds up (it takes about a week) that would be in the 200-250g range of fresh ordinary cubes, or 150-175g range of PE. I can't correlate it to acid, I'm not even sure acid gets to these effects as I've never tried it. 
So you can see why growing is mandatory... 
Hallucinations at peak on such doses are just there, everywhere you look. And the CEV are incredible - I had a 15 minute experience while lying on my bed catatonic once with a truly excessive dose of PE. 
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Re: Tripping doesn't seem... worth it... anymore [Re: Jade19]
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Jade19 said: Maybe your source is shit?
Also check your motivation behind wanting to "trip." Seems to me you're doing it because you're bored. I find that psychedelics interact differently with each person. Maybe the psychedelics you're taking think you're boring and don't want to play with you... :P
Again, and really this is the LAST TIME IM SAYING THIS
MY SOURCE IS NOT SHIT. if you doubt that, reread the last 6 pages where 50% of the posts is "you have bunk shit"
we're past that now
ok, now that I'm calm haha, I don't trip because I'm bored - I actually look forward to a trip for weeks and get the stupidest smile on my face when I get them. I trip to explore, to answer, to understand. If I was just doing it cuz I was bored, I would trip with my friends
But tripping is the ultimate satisfaction hehe
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Re: Tripping doesn't seem... worth it... anymore [Re: lessismore]
#21842363 - 06/22/15 05:05 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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this will help you hallucinate
btw LSD is a nice molecule, it stops working when it has taught you, then no more lessons usually and no more visuals
I thought a little about LSD teaching me all it can.
That would mean that when I achieved an ultimate fractal and made myself hallucinate different rooms and objects - I learned everything, because thats the last real trip I had.
But I still need to learn more so I can incorporate those "powers" into my reality - and I've still yet to experience any mind/body separation or egodeath....
i mean unless I'm already merged and didn't realize it but I really doubt that
just trip?
tripping for power, that's a bad way of tripping
it seems you expect what you want to happen, you read somewhere that people got enlightened and egodeath and now they are gurus, so now you want too
or you read somewhere that people got creative so now you want too, if you dont get creative you get unhappy
maybe you even heard that people see god and become god, so if you dont get godly powers you get unhappy too, you want to understand the whole universe
a mind that expects power gets crazy
I totally get how you got this interpretation - I should have worded more carefully
Power really means mastery. By power I'm just talking about stuff I couldn't do before I started exploring. It really means mastery of my perceptions, having power over them, but I don't really think of it like a power/dominance thing. I just kinda say it like that because I don't wanna write out a shit ton every post (since people don't even read the other posts before saying "YOU HAVE BUNK SHIT")
All I except to happen on 500+ ug is a 5+ hour trip, and moving visuals/patterns.
I do really want to have an OBE and shit like that - but I don't kill myself over not having it. I just mentioned that I didn't experience anything like that - and many people do. I thought it might help identify my situation.
Everything I expect to happen are things I have personally experienced. I base my expectations off of my experience, not others. Believe everything, trust nothing.
Be content with everything, expect nothing, keep an open mind
This post is really more about how I'm experiencing less than I used to - not that I experience less than the average person. I already know that much - my natural tolerance is fucking high
I do definitely have a goal of being able to influence OTHER peoples perceptions - which would be godly, and I have some other theories where godhood is possible. I do not expect that I will ever achieve that level of mastery, although I use those theories to help me figure out my next steps in spirituality.
I also acknowledge that this "power" might only be possible for a good heart who has no intention of reaping benefits from the "power" but instead wants to only help people. At least it seems only those people have access to that level of mastery.
I should be more careful in how I portray my goals, but to really do that would take so much time
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Re: Tripping doesn't seem... worth it... anymore [Re: PrimalSoup]
#21842380 - 06/22/15 05:12 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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PrimalSoup said: How massive? Well, that's get into a territory that's really something else altogether, where you can go with massive dosing, places where the ordinary "laws" of physics and probability change, where time itself can run backwards or in stitched-together streams.
Massive to me is just this side of blacking out. If I'm tripping daily on mushrooms, after max tolerance builds up (it takes about a week) that would be in the 200-250g range of fresh ordinary cubes, or 150-175g range of PE. I can't correlate it to acid, I'm not even sure acid gets to these effects as I've never tried it. 
So you can see why growing is mandatory... 
Hallucinations at peak on such doses are just there, everywhere you look. And the CEV are incredible - I had a 15 minute experience while lying on my bed catatonic once with a truly excessive dose of PE.  
The lowest I can really feel is like 400-500g. After that to have a good trip I need 1000ug. I have never blacked out, never had time or physics change. Although once I experience something impossible, I had two different thoughts, after each one, while grammatically correct, lost ALL forms of meaning. Happened twice in a row. Shit was crazy
I had the idea the other day of mastery of time. Time is just a perception, one that we are deeply locked into due to our biology as well as how we are taught. But it might actually be possible to alter that perception, to at least SEE different parts of time, perhaps even CHANGE history! But this is a theory I just thought of last night - after I broke my new oil adaptor - and will have to experiment
But I really want to have experiences like you.... LSD and Mushrooms have never overwhelmed me, never taken control, rarely even led me. I usually have to lead LSD and Shrooms.
Only DMT has proven to be my superior
I want to question if my inability to be affected deeply from LSD has to do with repression, or lack thereof. I wonder if it means Im more in-tune with myself and reality (shoaling monks don't feel it when they've been drugged LSD) or it it means that I'm more bounded to reality and have a harder time shifting my perceptions. Or if it has no correlation.
Something interesting, I was able to make myself trip as if I was on 400ug, when in reality it was just regular candy. It lasted about 4 hours. It was the first time I was able to change color to more vibrant - like I was actually tripping. I also was able to see my room in a fisheye lens, which has only ever happened while tripping
Thanks for the input.
I really do want to be overwhelmed by LSD tho - Id prob need 20+ tabs tho
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Re: Tripping doesn't seem... worth it... anymore [Re: PrimalSoup]
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PrimalSoup said: How massive? Well, that's get into a territory that's really something else altogether, where you can go with massive dosing, places where the ordinary "laws" of physics and probability change, where time itself can run backwards or in stitched-together streams.
Massive to me is just this side of blacking out. If I'm tripping daily on mushrooms, after max tolerance builds up (it takes about a week) that would be in the 200-250g range of fresh ordinary cubes, or 150-175g range of PE. I can't correlate it to acid, I'm not even sure acid gets to these effects as I've never tried it. 
So you can see why growing is mandatory... 
Hallucinations at peak on such doses are just there, everywhere you look. And the CEV are incredible - I had a 15 minute experience while lying on my bed catatonic once with a truly excessive dose of PE.  
Ever spoken to the spirit of the mushroom / some spirit on mushrooms?
Ever had stuff talk through you next days?
If so what were you told / what did you learn?
But yeah, I love the way mushrooms make me trip too, especially chocolates LSD was a mindfuck, but damn shrooms take me far out I'm not sure I will ever take over 5g, but was interesting to read >5g reports, not sure I would get back intact, maybe one day The real interesting thing is my LSD and shroom trips are 99% similar in spiritual content it seems
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Re: Tripping doesn't seem... worth it... anymore [Re: lessismore]
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PrimalSoup said: How massive? Well, that's get into a territory that's really something else altogether, where you can go with massive dosing, places where the ordinary "laws" of physics and probability change, where time itself can run backwards or in stitched-together streams.
Massive to me is just this side of blacking out. If I'm tripping daily on mushrooms, after max tolerance builds up (it takes about a week) that would be in the 200-250g range of fresh ordinary cubes, or 150-175g range of PE. I can't correlate it to acid, I'm not even sure acid gets to these effects as I've never tried it. 
So you can see why growing is mandatory... 
Hallucinations at peak on such doses are just there, everywhere you look. And the CEV are incredible - I had a 15 minute experience while lying on my bed catatonic once with a truly excessive dose of PE.  
Ever spoken to the spirit of the mushroom / some spirit on mushrooms?
Ever had stuff talk through you next days?
If so what were you told / what did you learn?
Ive never talked to the spirit, but the spirit is my friend. I can feel it around me and it feels like reconnecting with someone I haven't met in a while. It teaches through me - increasing my neural connections and fueling my intuition.
I may have once seen the spirit of LSD. I closed my eyes and came into a purple/silver room of fractals. I don't remember if I saw the lady on LSD or DMT, but I saw the room in both. When I saw the lady, she had fractal legs, like the room, and tentacles for her upper body
I saw many strange beings on DMT, all of them evil, angry, and rejecting me. Hard to know if these were spirits or just me seeing stuff.
-------------------- Just because I am arrogant does not mean I forget my place. It is how I choose to talk. I am not a monk. I am my own path, and I am without influence. Talk to me about my core being before you question my mental stability or life-choices. Chances are, they're only shocking to you because they don't fit your idea of what is.
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Re: Tripping doesn't seem... worth it... anymore [Re: glimpee]
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this will help you hallucinate
btw LSD is a nice molecule, it stops working when it has taught you, then no more lessons usually and no more visuals
I thought a little about LSD teaching me all it can.
That would mean that when I achieved an ultimate fractal and made myself hallucinate different rooms and objects - I learned everything, because thats the last real trip I had.
But I still need to learn more so I can incorporate those "powers" into my reality - and I've still yet to experience any mind/body separation or egodeath....
i mean unless I'm already merged and didn't realize it but I really doubt that
just trip?
tripping for power, that's a bad way of tripping
it seems you expect what you want to happen, you read somewhere that people got enlightened and egodeath and now they are gurus, so now you want too
or you read somewhere that people got creative so now you want too, if you dont get creative you get unhappy
maybe you even heard that people see god and become god, so if you dont get godly powers you get unhappy too, you want to understand the whole universe
a mind that expects power gets crazy
I totally get how you got this interpretation - I should have worded more carefully
Power really means mastery. By power I'm just talking about stuff I couldn't do before I started exploring. It really means mastery of my perceptions, having power over them, but I don't really think of it like a power/dominance thing. I just kinda say it like that because I don't wanna write out a shit ton every post (since people don't even read the other posts before saying "YOU HAVE BUNK SHIT")
All I except to happen on 500+ ug is a 5+ hour trip, and moving visuals/patterns.
I do really want to have an OBE and shit like that - but I don't kill myself over not having it. I just mentioned that I didn't experience anything like that - and many people do. I thought it might help identify my situation.
Everything I expect to happen are things I have personally experienced. I base my expectations off of my experience, not others. Believe everything, trust nothing.
Be content with everything, expect nothing, keep an open mind
This post is really more about how I'm experiencing less than I used to - not that I experience less than the average person. I already know that much - my natural tolerance is fucking high
I do definitely have a goal of being able to influence OTHER peoples perceptions - which would be godly, and I have some other theories where godhood is possible. I do not expect that I will ever achieve that level of mastery, although I use those theories to help me figure out my next steps in spirituality.
I also acknowledge that this "power" might only be possible for a good heart who has no intention of reaping benefits from the "power" but instead wants to only help people. At least it seems only those people have access to that level of mastery.
I should be more careful in how I portray my goals, but to really do that would take so much time
You word how you live
Your actions speak your soul's state, always
So there is no being careful if you are connected
But many things disconnect us, stress,pills,drugs , and often they do it very quickly and without us being aware The real question must be how to achieve balance of mind,body,spirit
Pharma pills often make people stupid - yes I've tried them for back pain so I know, I also know people who have taken pills for pain if even pain pills make people stupid, there is the risk of any drug doing it too
It seems most drugs make us forget ourselves easily
So with any drug comes an enormously responsibility, why would a drug make us forget ourselves?
Does that mean drugs are not good?
Why would drugs have that effect on ones spirit?
Drugs often make people lazy,careless , that is the lowest state of being , unfortunately
Certain drugs may help people get on right track in life, if responsibly used
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Re: Tripping doesn't seem... worth it... anymore [Re: lessismore]
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If it does not seem worth it then stop, and focus on what is. not what could be or what you believe should be.
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Re: Tripping doesn't seem... worth it... anymore [Re: lessismore]
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I stay away from pills, and I get what you're saying, and I agree, to a degree.
I am not connected. I am in no way trying to portray that I am. I think that Im becoming more connected - but this is all still new to me and I'm adjusting.
In life - I am often sarcastic, I tell lame jokes but spin them in a new way. I like stupid shit, I enjoy watching people be dictated by social status, it's often funny. I'm trying to be honest here, and I expect that I will be looked down upon for this behavior.
But I do honestly live my life by these doctrines Be content with everything. Expect nothing. Keep an open mind.
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Believe everything, trust nothing.
While I use the word "power" I'm not speaking like an evil super scientist. I think you took the agreed upon meaning of power while I was using it in my own way, as a shorthand for having mastery of perceptions. I do see it as a "power" but not like a superhuman thing I will use to separate myself from others. If anything I want this "power" to understand the limit of human potential, and eventually start a new religion teaching people how to find these answers on their own. I do not want to be the head of this religion, just the founder. Everyone has the capacity to be a prophet and a godsend.
But you do have a point. One of my streach goals is godhood. Again, I do not expect it, I am content not being a god, and I have an open mind to it being possible as well as not (as well as other possibilities)
I feel like I didn't fully convey how I interpret these "powers," I think I'm missing a key part of my argument, but I have to go and hopefully this brings across the right message
As I get more experienced and mature - I'm sure my vocabulary and mindset will adapt. Thanks for your perspective - I appreciate the honesty
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Re: Tripping doesn't seem... worth it... anymore [Re: lessismore]
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I stay away from pills, and I get what you're saying, and I agree, to a degree.
I am not connected. I am in no way trying to portray that I am. I think that Im becoming more connected - but this is all still new to me and I'm adjusting.
In life - I am often sarcastic, I tell lame jokes but spin them in a new way. I like stupid shit, I enjoy watching people be dictated by social status, it's often funny. I'm trying to be honest here, and I expect that I will be looked down upon for this behavior.
But I do honestly live my life by these doctrines Be content with everything. Expect nothing. Keep an open mind.
and
Believe everything, trust nothing.
While I use the word "power" I'm not speaking like an evil super scientist. I think you took the agreed upon meaning of power while I was using it in my own way, as a shorthand for having mastery of perceptions. I do see it as a "power" but not like a superhuman thing I will use to separate myself from others. If anything I want this "power" to understand the limit of human potential, and eventually start a new religion teaching people how to find these answers on their own. I do not want to be the head of this religion, just the founder. Everyone has the capacity to be a prophet and a godsend.
But you do have a point. One of my streach goals is godhood. Again, I do not expect it, I am content not being a god, and I have an open mind to it being possible as well as not (as well as other possibilities)
I feel like I didn't fully convey how I interpret these "powers," I think I'm missing a key part of my argument, but I have to go and hopefully this brings across the right message
As I get more experienced and mature - I'm sure my vocabulary and mindset will adapt. Thanks for your perspective - I appreciate the honesty
Before I read your response, I came to the conclusion that the next few times I want to trip (at least) I will just meditate for 2 hours, and placebo myself into it. I already unblocked my doubt, perhaps I am ready to leave LSD behind. I haven't tried a long-placebo experiment like that since.
-------------------- Just because I am arrogant does not mean I forget my place. It is how I choose to talk. I am not a monk. I am my own path, and I am without influence. Talk to me about my core being before you question my mental stability or life-choices. Chances are, they're only shocking to you because they don't fit your idea of what is.
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Re: Tripping doesn't seem... worth it... anymore [Re: glimpee]
#21842734 - 06/22/15 06:37 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I want to question if my inability to be affected deeply from LSD has to do with repression, or lack thereof. I wonder if it means Im more in-tune with myself and reality (shoaling monks don't feel it when they've been drugged LSD) or it it means that I'm more bounded to reality and have a harder time shifting my perceptions. Or if it has no correlation.
Personally, I think you just have a high natural tolerance. It would be like, for me, completely baseline, it takes 50g (5g dried) for an outstanding trip. Full tolerance, 200g (20g dried) will do the same. I think you're at that 20g level naturally. That's the furthest tolerance ever goes IME, after that it stops increasing no matter how much you do. So I know at least its possible to have it, even if only due to consuming a great deal in the weeks before.
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Re: Tripping doesn't seem... worth it... anymore [Re: PrimalSoup]
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PrimalSoup said:
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glimpee said:
I want to question if my inability to be affected deeply from LSD has to do with repression, or lack thereof. I wonder if it means Im more in-tune with myself and reality (shoaling monks don't feel it when they've been drugged LSD) or it it means that I'm more bounded to reality and have a harder time shifting my perceptions. Or if it has no correlation.
Personally, I think you just have a high natural tolerance. It would be like, for me, completely baseline, it takes 50g (5g dried) for an outstanding trip. Full tolerance, 200g (20g dried) will do the same. I think you're at that 20g level naturally. That's the furthest tolerance ever goes IME, after that it stops increasing no matter how much you do. So I know at least its possible to have it, even if only due to consuming a great deal in the weeks before. 
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Re: Tripping doesn't seem... worth it... anymore [Re: PrimalSoup]
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glimpee said:
I want to question if my inability to be affected deeply from LSD has to do with repression, or lack thereof. I wonder if it means Im more in-tune with myself and reality (shoaling monks don't feel it when they've been drugged LSD) or it it means that I'm more bounded to reality and have a harder time shifting my perceptions. Or if it has no correlation.
Personally, I think you just have a high natural tolerance. It would be like, for me, completely baseline, it takes 50g (5g dried) for an outstanding trip. Full tolerance, 200g (20g dried) will do the same. I think you're at that 20g level naturally. That's the furthest tolerance ever goes IME, after that it stops increasing no matter how much you do. So I know at least its possible to have it, even if only due to consuming a great deal in the weeks before. 
Thats probably accurate 
surprisingly, I have a high natural tolerance but I don't build much of a tolerance. As in 2 weeks completely resets me, and 1 week is defiantly long enough for another good trip
But ever since that 7 150+ug and 1.2 of caps and .12 of molly I haven't had a good trip since
That was the trip where I was able to hallucinate complex rooms and objects and where I achieved an ultimate fractal in under 20 seconds
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Re: Tripping doesn't seem... worth it... anymore [Re: glimpee]
#22708115 - 12/28/15 04:54 AM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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I take it all back
I have experienced so much more
I opened a new doorway weeks after this thread
Five times now I have experienced what I can only call "reality breaking"
Where the organization of reality ceases to be - and with it - the limits on perceptual creation.
I still have much to trip for. Once I gave up - I got pulled right back in.
-------------------- Just because I am arrogant does not mean I forget my place. It is how I choose to talk. I am not a monk. I am my own path, and I am without influence. Talk to me about my core being before you question my mental stability or life-choices. Chances are, they're only shocking to you because they don't fit your idea of what is.
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Re: Tripping doesn't seem... worth it... anymore [Re: glimpee]
#22709098 - 12/28/15 01:13 PM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: Tripping doesn't seem... worth it... anymore [Re: glimpee]
#22709254 - 12/28/15 01:56 PM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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If you want a new experience, try tripping in a new location to prevent thought loops.
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Re: Tripping doesn't seem... worth it... anymore [Re: Psychogenic]
#22710112 - 12/28/15 06:03 PM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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Psychogenic said: If you want a new experience, try tripping in a new location to prevent thought loops.
yeahhhh Ive always been far past that
thanks tho
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