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Achillita
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Re: Tripping doesn't seem... worth it... anymore [Re: lessismore]
#21826624 - 06/19/15 03:00 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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My best trips have been 4-5 grams, as it's the dose I find the most amazing and profound. He has been saying psychedelics effect him at a lower rate than most, and that he usually takes the higher dosages.
You can drink grape juice on a reversible Maoi. On prescription maois, grapefruit can be fatal. Most people agree it potentiates the psychedelics 2x more. So all you have to do is plan your dose accordingly. Also reversible maois are usually no longer in effect about 8 hours after ingesting.
What I'm trying to say is, these maois are completely safe with any food you're going to eat. However it can have adverse reactions to many drugs that people take. Meth and cocaine + maoi can cause death. You can usually search up what medication is a nono to combine with a maoi.
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Re: Tripping doesn't seem... worth it... anymore [Re: Achillita]
#21826696 - 06/19/15 04:22 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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lessismore said: If I ever were to take a MAOI for ayahuasca i.e. I would fast the whole week likely, also helps meditation/more spiritual trips when fasting, you just never know next day(s) what may be dangerous to eat
You are greatly exaggerating here. If you take a pharmaceutical MAOI you'd have to be real careful. Harmalas are RIMA's though. Reversible Inhibitors of Monoaminooxidase A. That means you can get away with eating anything in normal quantities but it is better to take the precaution and stick to a diet as if it were a MAOI.
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Re: Tripping doesn't seem... worth it... anymore [Re: glimpee]
#21826778 - 06/19/15 05:18 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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GoldenEye and Achillita got it spot on right
Combining a Maoi will add its own twist to the tale,but that doesnt imply its novely will last if abused frequently,if you can deal with it then that shouldnt hurt your expectations
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Re: Tripping doesn't seem... worth it... anymore [Re: Elff]
#21826943 - 06/19/15 07:05 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Visual snow. And really man? You dose that high and you still don't get much from it? How about the visuals? You have to be having amazing visuals at least. Idk how often you've done these drugs, but if it's getting bkring, take a break for awhile. These drugs are more like tools than recreational fun.
I get sick of it too if I've been tripping at least 2-4 times a month for a couple months. The mind and body demand breaks from it. But it is always mind blowing when I return. So yeah, take a break and indulge in a hobby. Mine is art or music or traveling. Even reading some good books. Get your mind off tripping in general for awhile and when you get back into it in a month or two at least, you should be amazed again. I don't even need to ever dose that high. But i do use these substances, mushrooms at least, as spiritual and psychological therapy.
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Re: Tripping doesn't seem... worth it... anymore [Re: lessismore]
#21827905 - 06/19/15 12:00 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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lessismore said: Grapejuice, that's how easy it is to die on MAOI
and it can also potentiate your shrooms dangerously , a 2.5g trip may feel like a 5g trip I've heard
I once had a shroom trip become really intense(much too intense) after I drank some juice, but not sure if it had grapejuice in it...
The danger is you do not know sometimes if your juice has grapejuice in it, people have died from drinking grapejuice with maoi/shrooms iirc (can't quite remember)
It will potentiate it a lot... and noone knows how much, but likely a 2.5g shrooms would be like 5g shrooms , you would regret lol - and likely last longer than usual too - maybe 12hr trip
If I ever were to take a MAOI for ayahuasca i.e. I would fast the whole week likely, also helps meditation/more spiritual trips when fasting, you just never know next day(s) what may be dangerous to eat
If youre worried I won't be able to handle it... Dont. I WANT shrooms or lsd to overwhelm me and give me a bad trip - it's yet to happen and I want to experience it.
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Re: Tripping doesn't seem... worth it... anymore [Re: Heisencybin]
#21827928 - 06/19/15 12:10 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Heisencybin said: Visual snow. And really man? You dose that high and you still don't get much from it? How about the visuals? You have to be having amazing visuals at least. Idk how often you've done these drugs, but if it's getting bkring, take a break for awhile. These drugs are more like tools than recreational fun.
I get sick of it too if I've been tripping at least 2-4 times a month for a couple months. The mind and body demand breaks from it. But it is always mind blowing when I return. So yeah, take a break and indulge in a hobby. Mine is art or music or traveling. Even reading some good books. Get your mind off tripping in general for awhile and when you get back into it in a month or two at least, you should be amazed again. I don't even need to ever dose that high. But i do use these substances, mushrooms at least, as spiritual and psychological therapy.
Im pretty sure I already answered all your questions, but here
No, not visual snow. Again, visual snow is a chalky static "fog" layer, while what I experience has underlying neon colors, and does not take up near all my vision - it just makes patterns on things. I hadn't realized until last trip but all patterns are made from this when I trip - and when I no longer see the static I no longer has visuals.
For my visuals - no they're usually not that intense, I have had them be really intense in the past tho. I've never had street signs duplicate or anything like that since the first few times I tripped tho. I just kinda get a fisheye lense, patterns start to flow (patterns are almost everywhere), and colors get more vibrant.
On a high visual trip - shit duplicated (OR EVEN TRIPPLES! that trip was ill) and flows FAST... while usually when I'm tripping everything just "breathes."
I gotta take like 5+ tabs of 200ug (so over 1000ug) to get intense visuals - 7.5 grams of shrooms proved to be pretty intense for 2-3 hours, but no duplication.... and I wasn't able to do some of the things I was able to do on my last intense trip. I also had good shrooms, 4 grams of golden caps and 3.5 of truffles
On a desired trip - I have vivid CEV, fast/duplicated OEV, warped perspective/depth, and seeing some form of someting that isn't usually there.
I usually get half of those when I trip.
Again, I just took a break from tripping. I tripped a month ago and then like 2 months before that (its been dry) - I also do art and music, check my sig out 
See I went into this trip thinking my tolerance was lower than its even been since I upped my doseage, AND I was having a lot - but I only tripped kinda hard for like 2-3 hours....
I should also add I've come to the conclusion that I wasted the trip - rather than the trip being a waste
-------------------- Just because I am arrogant does not mean I forget my place. It is how I choose to talk. I am not a monk. I am my own path, and I am without influence. Talk to me about my core being before you question my mental stability or life-choices. Chances are, they're only shocking to you because they don't fit your idea of what is.
Check out my Art Journal for some stuff I do http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21647069
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glimpee
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Re: Tripping doesn't seem... worth it... anymore [Re: Achillita]
#21827931 - 06/19/15 12:11 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Achillita said: My best trips have been 4-5 grams, as it's the dose I find the most amazing and profound. He has been saying psychedelics effect him at a lower rate than most, and that he usually takes the higher dosages.
You can drink grape juice on a reversible Maoi. On prescription maois, grapefruit can be fatal. Most people agree it potentiates the psychedelics 2x more. So all you have to do is plan your dose accordingly. Also reversible maois are usually no longer in effect about 8 hours after ingesting.
What I'm trying to say is, these maois are completely safe with any food you're going to eat. However it can have adverse reactions to many drugs that people take. Meth and cocaine + maoi can cause death. You can usually search up what medication is a nono to combine with a maoi.
Thank all of you for the warnings. Ill definatly look into it more and I don't even eat much anyways
I might take like 6 tabs, some natural moai, AND grapejuice tho.... that just sounds like a dream come true - but dw I'll be cautious
-------------------- Just because I am arrogant does not mean I forget my place. It is how I choose to talk. I am not a monk. I am my own path, and I am without influence. Talk to me about my core being before you question my mental stability or life-choices. Chances are, they're only shocking to you because they don't fit your idea of what is.
Check out my Art Journal for some stuff I do http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21647069
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Re: Tripping doesn't seem... worth it... anymore [Re: glimpee]
#21827964 - 06/19/15 12:22 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Just start slow if you add the MAOI. It's a different ball game.
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TrippieHunter
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Re: Tripping doesn't seem... worth it... anymore [Re: GoldenEye]
#21828433 - 06/19/15 02:42 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Dude ya gotta check or meds too. Some DO NOT MIX with maoi's!
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Re: Tripping doesn't seem... worth it... anymore [Re: TrippieHunter]
#21828438 - 06/19/15 02:43 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Good point. Most drugs are extremely dangerous to take with MAOIs. Make sure to check out a list of all interactions before you start to take them. There are even tons of foods you can't eat if you are on an MAOI
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Re: Tripping doesn't seem... worth it... anymore [Re: glimpee]
#21828598 - 06/19/15 03:23 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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If youre worried I won't be able to handle it... Dont. I WANT shrooms or lsd to overwhelm me and give me a bad trip - it's yet to happen and I want to experience it.
I am not, I am worried that since I don't know you you may be a foolish irresponsible 15-20 year teenager who has never done drugs before/shrooms before, who just want to go as high as possible and take whatever it takes to get there
And even worse, one that is already high on drugs with impaired judgement
So they will just take anything without researching
Advicing people to take a MAOI I would probably never do, it's up to themselves to research it, there is a lot to research if they want not to kill themselves.
People can have bad trips already on shrooms, rather easily, with MAOI you are increasing the bad odds
You may not be able to handle it when it happens , and I don't know you
Anything may happen on a high dose - that's why I don't recommend high doses to people either, people run out naked in the streets in front of cops and get shot
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Re: Tripping doesn't seem... worth it... anymore [Re: lessismore]
#21828968 - 06/19/15 05:03 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Grapejuice can kill u if u ate MAOis?
Where did u get that info from?
Its important to start low with any maoi, such as syrian rue. 1 gram rue with 2 grams of shrooms would be my first test dose to see how sensitive u are to maois.
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Re: Tripping doesn't seem... worth it... anymore [Re: lessismore]
#21829145 - 06/19/15 05:56 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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lessismore said:
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glimpee said: waterQuote:
lessismore said: t
If youre worried I won't be able to handle it... Dont. I WANT shrooms or lsd to overwhelm me and give me a bad trip - it's yet to happen and I want to experience it.
I am not, I am worried that since I don't know you you may be a foolish irresponsible 15-20 year teenager who has never done drugs before/shrooms before, who just want to go as high as possible and take whatever it takes to get there
And even worse, one that is already high on drugs with impaired judgement
So they will just take anything without researching
Advicing people to take a MAOI I would probably never do, it's up to themselves to research it, there is a lot to research if they want not to kill themselves.
People can have bad trips already on shrooms, rather easily, with MAOI you are increasing the bad odds
You may not be able to handle it when it happens , and I don't know you
Anything may happen on a high dose - that's why I don't recommend high doses to people either, people run out naked in the streets in front of cops and get shot
Haha I am 19 years old, but Im experienced and have been known to have good mental control/maturity.... I honestly hate talking about myself like that but I'm just trying to relay some form of information
Ive gone up to ~10 tabs and still haven't got the kind of trip I wanted
My hardest trip was 7 200ug tabs, .12 of molly, and 1.2 grams of shrooms. I could have handled double that tbh - but it would have been difficult
I'm still upping my dosage to test my boundaries - but I had a good half year of taking heroic doses weekly, and I haven't really found a limit yet.
I just cant be spending 150+ for the chance that I might have the trip I want, so Maoi's were a fantastic suggestion of something I should look into
and I'ma be careful. Ill have backup friends if I need to get picked up or if I start to freak out, and I'll do my research before I even consider getting any
Thanks for the warning tho
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Check out my Art Journal for some stuff I do http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21647069
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Re: Tripping doesn't seem... worth it... anymore [Re: glimpee]
#21829166 - 06/19/15 06:03 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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glimpee said: Idk....
Ive tripped twice in the past month and a half. I just finished tripping an hour or so ago
I don't really have any cool experiences, I have to make my own and I often feel like I waste the trip doing stupid shit. I experiment a lot when I'm tripping and I guess if I don't find anything new or if I get too distracted it feels like a waste
But I feel like if I shouldn't have to take 7.5 grams to be disappointed
Like I have to take 10+ tabs to actually enjoy the experience, and at that point I'm spending a lot of money and its really hard to even find that quantity
But my dilema is that I don't know enough and my mind isn't psychoactivated enough yet
So I'm not tripping in sobriety and I'm not tripping hard when I take drugs
I just wanna we overwhelmed by the psychadelic - for it to show me something new. But I feel like I've killed the magic but understanding it too well
(by the way, what do you call the stuff that makes patterns in the darkness while youre tripping? It almost looks like vibrating static.... I hope you know what I mean because all I gained from that trip was being able to describe this static finally)
the worst part is it doesn't even feel like it lasts long enough
Get better drugs. You shouldn't need a 10 strip to have an intense experience. 2 hits of this WoW I have will send you into hyperspace.
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Re: Tripping doesn't seem... worth it... anymore [Re: Malcolm_Xtasy]
#21829814 - 06/19/15 08:09 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Brah it sounds like you just have a natural tolerance. I haven't really had any visuals like I did when I first tripped when I was 12, I am WELL over that now.
Maybe your brain can keep up with the demand of being introduced these new chemicals? Who knows. My wife can out drink, smoke, snort me any day of the
week. Because she has a natural tolerance, to everything! Give this bad boy a watch, he says to take 20-30 grams for a real ride.
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Re: Tripping doesn't seem... worth it... anymore [Re: Malcolm_Xtasy]
#21829826 - 06/19/15 08:12 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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glimpee said: Idk....
Ive tripped twice in the past month and a half. I just finished tripping an hour or so ago
I don't really have any cool experiences, I have to make my own and I often feel like I waste the trip doing stupid shit. I experiment a lot when I'm tripping and I guess if I don't find anything new or if I get too distracted it feels like a waste
But I feel like if I shouldn't have to take 7.5 grams to be disappointed
Like I have to take 10+ tabs to actually enjoy the experience, and at that point I'm spending a lot of money and its really hard to even find that quantity
But my dilema is that I don't know enough and my mind isn't psychoactivated enough yet
So I'm not tripping in sobriety and I'm not tripping hard when I take drugs
I just wanna we overwhelmed by the psychadelic - for it to show me something new. But I feel like I've killed the magic but understanding it too well
(by the way, what do you call the stuff that makes patterns in the darkness while youre tripping? It almost looks like vibrating static.... I hope you know what I mean because all I gained from that trip was being able to describe this static finally)
the worst part is it doesn't even feel like it lasts long enough
Get better drugs. You shouldn't need a 10 strip to have an intense experience. 2 hits of this WoW I have will send you into hyperspace.
I agree. 2 tabs of 150ug LSD sends me into space, I usually can't remember my own name and the visuals are always crazy. Listening to music on a good dose of LSD is so magical, you just see the music in the air and it turns into beautiful shapes and stuff that is in sync with the beat. Damn I love lsd!
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Re: Tripping doesn't seem... worth it... anymore [Re: Gottaloveacid]
#21829834 - 06/19/15 08:13 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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<iframe src="https://proxy.mind-media.com/proxy.php?url=https%3A%2F%2Fplayer.vimeo.com%2Fvi%3Cwbr%3Edeo%2F75940226" width="500" height="281" frameborder="0" webkitallowfullscreen mozallowfullscreen allowfullscreen></iframe> <p><a href="">Kilindi Iyi - High-Dose Mushrooms Beyond the Threshold</a> from <a href="https://vimeo.com/ecologycosmos">Breaking Convention</a> on <a href="https://vimeo.com">Vimeo</a>.</p>
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Re: Tripping doesn't seem... worth it... anymore [Re: Gottaloveacid]
#21829856 - 06/19/15 08:17 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yeah it sounds like you get some fire around your parts too
Last time I took three tabs I literally felt like I was a guitar getting played by the universe. The sound was vibrating through my body and giving me those ridiculous visuals. Tame Impala is perfect for tripping
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Re: Tripping doesn't seem... worth it... anymore [Re: Malcolm_Xtasy]
#21831196 - 06/20/15 03:23 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Look at it as though consciousness were a set of stairs. Each stair represents a higher level of health, integration, and preparedness. At the bottom one can use the psychedelics with beer, opium, and cocaine to have a wilder party. One can use them to lose one’s self, have great sex, etc. Fine and good; nothing really wrong, if that’s what you want to do—it beats shooting people and raping the environment! This is, however, a low level of consciousness. Then you go up a few levels and you think that you can do some good with these compounds. Let’s use them for study- ing madness or curing addiction. Still a pretty low level of consciousness and no real commitment to personal development. This use is directed outward, not in- ward. Change comes from within—it can never be imposed from the outside.
The next step up it occurs that maybe you could use psychedelics for finding answers to questions in your life, perhaps even for vision questing. Now we’re beginning to start on a more consciousness-oriented trip. But how are we doing it? Are we really arranging it so that we are creating an environment that unequivocally sets the stage for a leap into consciousness, or are we programming the trip with interrup- tions (telephone calls, visitors)? The purer our intention, the greater the possible results become. It can be quite subtle. You cannot plan it all out beyond a certain point or it becomes a control trip. You cannot program out spontaneity, but you can be intelligent and sensitive, and remember not to make the same mistake too many times in a row.
Then you can use the psychedelics as an adjunct to tantra, meditation and/or yoga, devoting your entire trip to learning to go deep in these disciplines while continuing these practices on a long-term basis.
This is the highest, most visionary, and most produc- tive level. From whatever level you begin, the psychedelics will enhance, intensify, deepen, or broaden your experience, but they are working with the level of consciousness you pro- vide them.
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Re: Tripping doesn't seem... worth it... anymore [Re: dixienormous]
#21831207 - 06/20/15 03:41 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Also, every week? Tolerance will come into play if you dose every week. Slow it down man.
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