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prismism


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Grafting mistake
#21821172 - 06/17/15 10:22 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Did this terscheckii graft late the other night and forgot to remove the corners on each rib. I'm wondering if this is a fatal mistake. Will the scion eventually be pushed off the stock?
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Re: Grafting mistake [Re: prismism]
#21821214 - 06/17/15 10:32 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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It should be alright. My experience with Tricho grafts like this is the point where the graft is attached will swell to maybe double the size that it is now but wont bulge downwards much, like globular grafts seem to do. Beveling the edges of the stock when grafting globulars is important, not so much with Trichos. The new growth above swells significantly and shouldn't interfere with the grafting point. You might get some lifting of edges but it should be fine.
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Re: Grafting mistake [Re: prismism]
#21821416 - 06/17/15 11:20 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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prismism said: Did this terscheckii graft late the other night and forgot to remove the corners on each rib. I'm wondering if this is a fatal mistake. Will the scion eventually be pushed off the stock?

Naw man you fucked it up. It's gonna die. Fatal mistake.
Dude it looks great. I've done loph grafts with and without cut corners. I rarely ever do columnar grafts but some people do. You got the green thumb or you dont. It will stick or it wont. All grafts are hit or miss, I don't care what anyone says but that one my friend looks good. You should be proud.
Goodluck and keep us updated.
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ferrel_human said:
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prismism said: Did this terscheckii graft late the other night and forgot to remove the corners on each rib. I'm wondering if this is a fatal mistake. Will the scion eventually be pushed off the stock?

I don't care what anyone says but that one my friend looks good. You should be proud.
Goodluck and keep us updated. 
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karode13 said: It should be alright. My experience with Tricho grafts like this is the point where the graft is attached will swell to maybe double the size that it is now but wont bulge downwards much, like globular grafts seem to do. Beveling the edges of the stock when grafting globulars is important, not so much with Trichos. The new growth above swells significantly and shouldn't interfere with the grafting point. You might get some lifting of edges but it should be fine.
Massive thank you for the reassurance. Good information.
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ferrel_human said: Dude it looks great. I've done loph grafts with and without cut corners. I rarely ever do columnar grafts but some people do. You got the green thumb or you dont. It will stick or it wont. All grafts are hit or miss, I don't care what anyone says but that one my friend looks good. You should be proud.
Goodluck and keep us updated. 
Right on, and thank you! Hope the hurricane didn't fuck your shit up. It just passed through up here and the high winds knocked a lot of my plants over.
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Re: Grafting mistake [Re: prismism] 1
#21821826 - 06/18/15 01:11 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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if it can help, i noticed that in hight humidity enviroment, edges don't rise that much, and stay kinda leveled to the cut.
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Lemnaminor said: if it can help, i noticed that in hight humidity enviroment, edges don't rise that much, and stay kinda leveled to the cut.
Ive noticed this recently on my blue myrtles.
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Re: Grafting mistake [Re: prismism]
#21824444 - 06/18/15 04:38 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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prismism said:
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karode13 said: It should be alright. My experience with Tricho grafts like this is the point where the graft is attached will swell to maybe double the size that it is now but wont bulge downwards much, like globular grafts seem to do. Beveling the edges of the stock when grafting globulars is important, not so much with Trichos. The new growth above swells significantly and shouldn't interfere with the grafting point. You might get some lifting of edges but it should be fine.
Massive thank you for the reassurance. Good information.
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ferrel_human said: Dude it looks great. I've done loph grafts with and without cut corners. I rarely ever do columnar grafts but some people do. You got the green thumb or you dont. It will stick or it wont. All grafts are hit or miss, I don't care what anyone says but that one my friend looks good. You should be proud.
Goodluck and keep us updated. 
Right on, and thank you! Hope the hurricane didn't fuck your shit up. It just passed through up here and the high winds knocked a lot of my plants over.
Naw it wasn't bad at all just too much rain. And that is worse. Too humid. I am further south.
Check these babies I had to cut and degraft because they have that cancerous rust. That stuff is a plague. It's the humidity.

I got them placed in front of a fan right now.
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I have never seen that orange rust happen in person. Or if I have, its always just went away. Is it the same as the orange spots that sometimes form on the callous?
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kosmokratorshaman said: I have never seen that orange rust happen in person. Or if I have, its always just went away. Is it the same as the orange spots that sometimes form on the callous?
It's a cancer that I have never been able to mitigate. So my tactic now was to cut them at the base and dry them inside. And if need be grown inside on a windowsill. It's too humid outside. And that's when they die. I lost my giant el Oso willy to that crap. Started out small but the rain this year is great for regular plants but bad foe cacti. The only thing that has saved my cacti is the rock mix I got them in. Free flowing and hardly retains water. And dries out quickly.
It is my experience that no matter how well a soil drains it will still retain moisture in it. That was my downfall. Ok so I'm rambling cause I've had a few too many.
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yea, there are always little crevices that will hold moisture.
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prismism


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kosmokratorshaman said: yea, there are always little crevices that will hold moisture.
Another good reason to give the plant a bit of drought between each watering during the growing season. Horticulture is the master of teaching patience to it's apprentice. I understand the urge to want your plants to grow as fast as possible, but mature cacti don't need to be watered consistently. They evolved in an unforgiving climate with sporadic and limited rain. You can do cacti more harm than good by watering too much as opposed to watering too little. Water the plant too much and it will respond with bacterial rot. Water too little and the cactus will be fine until you water again.
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Re: Grafting mistake [Re: prismism]
#21826044 - 06/18/15 11:02 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I have a grafting mistake. I used too small of a blue myrtle stock. It has shriveled in on itself and the scion has stalled. The root system is strong, just seems to have deflated the stock.
Another grafting mistake. A poor vascular connection that caused my scion to start, then stall immediately.
Shit happens. Yours looks fine.
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prismism


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I hear that. I have a shotty loph graft to a pachanoi seedling that is almost a year old and has shown virtually no growth. I don't have the heart to trash it. Not sure if it will ever reach it's potential. I have chalked it up to a terribly small vascular ring connection. It's just odd to me that it hasn't yet shriveled up and died.

These were all grafted at the same time.
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Re: Grafting mistake [Re: prismism]
#21826278 - 06/19/15 12:15 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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lovely grafts ^
Sometimes they take, sometimes they don't
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prismism


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I have the reverse of the original post. A pachanoi grafted to terscheckii. I was surprised at the amount of growth considering my terscheckiis grow so relatively slow. Experimenting is fun.
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