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Re: Psychedelic Synchronicities [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #21852764 - 06/24/15 09:42 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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ps out of curiosity(and anyone else), do you believe the experience given by psychedelics can only be a state of being obtained by partaking or do you think we can reach similar states naturally?

I have read some mild cases of hppd that just might be what I would consider as sixth sense developments of our actual reality based on experience in our visual and mental fields; I have read people claim they can almost "play" with the effects seeing aura's and hearing auditory hallucinations( and others are seriously effected  :shrug: ). may I open everyone to the possibility of Clairaudience and ESP? I am only smart because I know that I know nothing but what I see I see, and what I feel I feel, and what I experience I experience, By those things alone one could concur they are quite "Real" without even adding the possibility and fact that these things have occurred without these tools added. but for most that would get into touching generation upon generation upon countless generation where we have been programmed how and what to think that the mentioning of such things usually invoke movies, child fantasies, or science fiction.

I dont think impossible is a universal concept, its a self limitation that has been broken time and time again as human history has unfolded.

I-Magi-Nation :smile:






There is some congruency between psychedelic states and natural religious states, especially Buddhist realization and Taoist teachings of the great Way.  When I say "some" though I'm trying to qualify the differences in the experiential description that I've read in various sources, and of course my own experience, at least with Buddhism.

I think that there's an underlying state in humans that can be accessed (to different degrees) through these pathways.  And it reveals a far more complex and unruly universe than the one we imagine we inhabit, with the ordinary mundane reality being a construct of our brains that "paves over" the true chaos underneath.  I've been in direct contact with this underlying state quite a few times now, and it's literally mind-blowing - your ordinary mind does NOT function there, can not function. It's exactly like waking up to a bigger reality.

Which is why I think evolution has either gifted or burdened us with "consciousness" that suppresses this bigger reality in favor of simple survival, a tradeoff that nobody ever bargained for... 

Historically a few people have penetrated the illusions and passed on the knowledge.  This is where religions come from, IMHO.  The great trick of course would be to bring this kind of thing into consciousness without starting a new religion - because we all know what becomes of religions eventually. :lol:






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Its both PS, Gift and Burden. Its just the duality of existence in this universe :shrug:


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Re: Psychedelic Synchronicities [Re: Hypnotoad420]
    #21852823 - 06/24/15 10:03 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Duality is another illusion, stems from the separation from the source that limited consciousness creates.  But I think I'm preaching to the choir, so I'll just STFU now. :lol:


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Re: Psychedelic Synchronicities [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #21853982 - 06/25/15 07:21 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Good or bad ? dunno

But in spiritual view, transcendence of the ego, there are certainly right and wrong ways to apply the knowledge

The ego can only handle so much information, so if you take the transpersonal energy and apply it to the ego, the person gets crazy , destroys the world

Love is always a higher energy than hate spiritually , a person who lives with hate will not be able to see the truth , only the truth they justify for themselves

So therefore I proclaim there are truths  , many use duality as a way to say there is 'no good or bad' and 'no truth' - then they can justify their own bad actions, or self serving, but indeed there seems to be universal truths in this universe that we can not lie away

We can hide those truths from ourselves, but that doesn't make them lesser truths

Not everyone sees those truths, that doesn't make them lesser truths either


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Re: Psychedelic Synchronicities [Re: Hypnotoad420]
    #21854023 - 06/25/15 07:37 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Yeah man if you deny pleasure your denying just another experience you can have that you might not have the chance to again, almost anything can be pleasurable depending on how you feel about doing it. guilt is all programming if your not hurting yourself or someone else you are not doing anything wrong.

all that said I do not deny the effects of fasting, exercise and all those other virtues that bring positive energy to your state of being.

This life has absolutely no purpose, we give purpose to life not the other way around. life just is. and here we are ^^




I'm not saying you must abandon all pleasure alltogether, although some monks seem to believe so in order to free the mind fully

I'm speaking about moderation, which is also very hard to achieve


Those that think moderation is easy, are usually the ones that don't moderate?
I've never seen one yet who thinks moderation is easy


If we meditate enough , moderation comes naturally, but as soon as we forget to meditate / be mindful enough, we're back to ignorance

Self realization is also about realizing your shadow side, all your ignorance, it isn't pretty, knowing most of your common mistakes

And the typical mistake of man is sense overindulgence, robs us of our spirit, you could say that is what the devil wants

Sex feels good, more sex must be more good
Beer feels good, more beer must be more good
Tv feels good, bigger tv feels more good
Cellphone feels good, more expensive phone feels better
Psychedelics feel good, more / higher dose feels better and gets me more enlightened
Food tastes good, more food is better
Masturbation feels good, more masturbation is better
Sex with strangers feels good, more sex with strangers is better
Being better than others is good, showing off myself more is better

etc. - and 1000s more ways
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Re: Psychedelic Synchronicities [Re: lessismore]
    #21855222 - 06/25/15 01:30 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Good or bad ? dunno

But in spiritual view, transcendence of the ego, there are certainly right and wrong ways to apply the knowledge

The ego can only handle so much information, so if you take the transpersonal energy and apply it to the ego, the person gets crazy , destroys the world

Love is always a higher energy than hate spiritually , a person who lives with hate will not be able to see the truth , only the truth they justify for themselves

So therefore I proclaim there are truths  , many use duality as a way to say there is 'no good or bad' and 'no truth' - then they can justify their own bad actions, or self serving, but indeed there seems to be universal truths in this universe that we can not lie away

We can hide those truths from ourselves, but that doesn't make them lesser truths

Not everyone sees those truths, that doesn't make them lesser truths either




Ego doesn't achieve transcendence, inasmuch as it arises directly from duality, or separation from the source (the ground of being).  When you reach the source you just know. 

But you can speak these truths to those who don't see them and literally they can't hear them.


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Re: Psychedelic Synchronicities [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #21855521 - 06/25/15 02:37 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

True .. :-)

Transcendence to me - not a word I use often - means elimination of ego in most communication/ones life

Going beyond ego, because we still got an ego, but we acknowledge the origin of thought, is it the ego , or is it from source?

Soul is all the soul sees
Ego is all the ego sees

Sounds egoistical, but it's true ;-P

The only time we don't speak truth is when we are not in contact with our core being.., but that can happen to most people

Any lie hurts ones core being it seems, even white lies apparently, I don't remember any good lies I've made

It's easy to forget oneself, and then we cannot see any truth anymore, "truth is fake/for losers/for illusioned people"


I like the feeling when I feel my own soul and other's, that oneness feeling, and even the unpleasant oneness feeling of feeling a somewhat "lost soul", a soul that is not too happy

Knowing oneself is not always funny, but still worthwhile


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Re: Psychedelic Synchronicities [Re: lessismore]
    #21855545 - 06/25/15 02:43 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Oneness is good.

Food for thought:

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oneness of living beings and Buddhas (Jpn shōbutsu-funi or shōbutsu-ichinyo): Also, oneness of ordinary people and Buddhas, or non-duality of living beings and Buddhas.

The principle that living beings and Buddhas are not two different things but are essentially one. “Living beings” here indicates life in its unenlightened form, or beings who are afflicted with delusion. This principle is set forth in several Mahayana Buddhist scriptures. The Flower Garland Sutra states, “The mind, the Buddha, and all living beings—these three things are without distinction.” The Nirvana Sutra states, “All living beings alike possess the Buddha nature.”

The Lotus Sutra reveals the true aspect of all phenomena, indicating that, though different, all living beings, the Buddha included, are manifestations of the ultimate reality. The sutra also reads, “The Buddhas . . . wish to open the door of Buddha wisdom to all living beings . . . to induce living beings to enter the path of Buddha wisdom,” because Buddha wisdom is inherent in all living beings, i.e., all living beings are potential Buddhas. In China, based on the Lotus Sutra, T’ien-t’ai (538–597) set forth the principle of the mutual possession of the Ten Worlds, from Buddhahood through hell, and the doctrine of three thousand realms in a single moment of life.





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Re: Psychedelic Synchronicities [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #21855644 - 06/25/15 03:14 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I'm not much into buddhism lately, but it rings a bell or two

It just really hurts to feel others who are not in tune with themselves, even when I try my best

The less balanced, the more it hurts

I don't remember getting hurt when fully balanced, but we all get off balance once in a while, this time due to pain pills

I feel everybody's emotions all the time, that can be quite unpleasant, but a weekly nature session helps at least

I also don't feel good around all people, my dad keeps saying that is unnatural "a true buddhist" feels good around anyone

There are certain people I just cannot be around, I feel really good as soon as I leave their place, and it is people in my family mostly

Luckily there is noone forcing me to keep contact... It is funny it seems my friends have been more realized their whole life than most of my family, less overemotional, more faith in the universe etc.
I often need a little break from my family now, but I always did even before taking psychedelics

Nothing has changed, yet everything has changed, I am who I always have been

Same as before ;-) , and that I doesn't go well with everybody, but most people
I can be around most, but I don't feel good around all. I chose to be with people I feel good around.


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Re: Psychedelic Synchronicities [Re: lessismore]
    #21855693 - 06/25/15 03:28 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Still know my friend I've known since 3 years old, he feels more mature than my mom,dad,brother - and always felt like that

I'm not so sure I believe in coincidences much anymore

Seems people are here to learn different things..


I got something to learn, my family got, and my friend has his own things to learn
But apparently lots of stuff looks preserved over lifetimes

I haven't changed inside my whole life
My brother hasn't, he is still the opposite of me, but he had some kind of awakening lately it seems, started meditating


Awakening throws you of a bit emotionally too, especially from feeling other people's emotions

You are on level with all you know/speak to daily, it is not coincidence
We meet people like ourselves, in strange ways - I've had plenty of such synchronicities lately/past 3 years


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Re: Psychedelic Synchronicities [Re: lessismore]
    #21855770 - 06/25/15 03:48 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

To the one speaking about developing the experience of the psychedelics:

meditation in nature
crystals
houseplants/pets
service to others


The psychedelics teach to be self sufficient to those that listen, so if you listen they will teach you your ways to your spirituality
I like guided meditations too, can clear ones energy blockages a lot, can actually feel it when it happens, can be intense emotionally or such

There are lots of ways, and synchronicity/psychedelics/your spirituality will lead you to it

They only show you yourself, they cannot force change you


Follow your inner feelings


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Re: Psychedelic Synchronicities [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #21857319 - 06/25/15 09:27 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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PrimalSoup said:
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lessismore said:
Good or bad ? dunno

But in spiritual view, transcendence of the ego, there are certainly right and wrong ways to apply the knowledge

The ego can only handle so much information, so if you take the transpersonal energy and apply it to the ego, the person gets crazy , destroys the world

Love is always a higher energy than hate spiritually , a person who lives with hate will not be able to see the truth , only the truth they justify for themselves

So therefore I proclaim there are truths  , many use duality as a way to say there is 'no good or bad' and 'no truth' - then they can justify their own bad actions, or self serving, but indeed there seems to be universal truths in this universe that we can not lie away

We can hide those truths from ourselves, but that doesn't make them lesser truths

Not everyone sees those truths, that doesn't make them lesser truths either




Ego doesn't achieve transcendence, inasmuch as it arises directly from duality, or separation from the source (the ground of being).  When you reach the source you just know. 

But you can speak these truths to those who don't see them and literally they can't hear them.





Wow  :bow2:  This ^


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Re: Psychedelic Synchronicities [Re: lessismore]
    #21857505 - 06/25/15 09:59 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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lessismore said:
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Hypnotoad420 said:
Yeah man if you deny pleasure your denying just another experience you can have that you might not have the chance to again, almost anything can be pleasurable depending on how you feel about doing it. guilt is all programming if your not hurting yourself or someone else you are not doing anything wrong.

all that said I do not deny the effects of fasting, exercise and all those other virtues that bring positive energy to your state of being.

This life has absolutely no purpose, we give purpose to life not the other way around. life just is. and here we are ^^




I'm not saying you must abandon all pleasure alltogether, although some monks seem to believe so in order to free the mind fully

I'm speaking about moderation, which is also very hard to achieve


Those that think moderation is easy, are usually the ones that don't moderate?
I've never seen one yet who thinks moderation is easy


If we meditate enough , moderation comes naturally, but as soon as we forget to meditate / be mindful enough, we're back to ignorance

Self realization is also about realizing your shadow side, all your ignorance, it isn't pretty, knowing most of your common mistakes

And the typical mistake of man is sense overindulgence, robs us of our spirit, you could say that is what the devil wants

Sex feels good, more sex must be more good
Beer feels good, more beer must be more good
Tv feels good, bigger tv feels more good
Cellphone feels good, more expensive phone feels better
Psychedelics feel good, more / higher dose feels better and gets me more enlightened
Food tastes good, more food is better
Masturbation feels good, more masturbation is better
Sex with strangers feels good, more sex with strangers is better
Being better than others is good, showing off myself more is better

etc. - and 1000s more ways
Very few people are themselves. If you are, you are one of the few




I see what your saying, But I checked that part of my ego out at the door a while ago, we had a nice conversation about hogging the driver seat ^^, I know nothing more true then what I touch and what I see and neither do you. can you handle that? what makes you think your right? who told you? what if at the end of it all you learn you were supposed to just have fun and there were no rules to the engagement of life? would you regret moderation? maybe? I hate to say YOLO because people mainly use it as an excuse to do stupid shit; you could and might assume that but you can also interpret it to live void of regrets so you remain mindful of the decisions you make and the experiences you choose to have. see what im getting at? the shift in perception.


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Re: Psychedelic Synchronicities [Re: Hypnotoad420]
    #21857687 - 06/25/15 10:35 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I trust my experience

I also don't see purposelessness, I don't see any coincidences


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    #21858656 - 06/26/15 05:55 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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I trust my experience

I also don't see purposelessness, I don't see any coincidences





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