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Depression: What Has (and Hasn't) Worked for You?
    #21820369 - 06/17/15 07:19 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Thought it would be nice to have a thread where us sad sacks could share what's worked for us.  This can include anything from medication to therapy to lifestyle changes to supplements or anything else.  (I'm talking about real clinical depression here, not just a fleeting period of sadness in response to a difficult life event).

I'll start:

THE GOOD

Most effective medications = Prozac + tianeptine.  I also take a low-dose stimulant (usually 2-FMA) to combat fatigue/amotivation.  I've tried every class of antidepressant except MAOIs, so I have a lot of experience in this area.

Exercise is also helpful but I don't always have the energy for it.  And my pets make me happy.

THE BAD

The worst meds I've tried were Lexapro (awful withdrawals) and the tricyclic antidepressants (rapid weight gain).  And benzos make me suicidally depressed for some reason.

Et tu? :tongue2:


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Re: Depression: What Has (and Hasn't) Worked for You? [Re: GettinPsilly]
    #21820377 - 06/17/15 07:22 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

More excercise plus less drugs plus piracetam and noopept.

Mssively helped my social anxiety, daily depression, and ptsd.

Piracetam is a boss compound, I love it.


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Re: Depression: What Has (and Hasn't) Worked for You? [Re: Zombi3] * 2
    #21822726 - 06/18/15 08:32 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Having something meaningful to look forward to gets me through most of my bad days.

Staying healthy helps because it gives you real pride

Being proud of my actions helps

Doing stupid things for short term satisfaction is what brings me back down.
Always go for what will make you happy/proud in the long term.


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Re: Depression: What Has (and Hasn't) Worked for You? [Re: janedownthelane]
    #21823308 - 06/18/15 11:59 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

What helped my depression was a very large dose of mushrooms for the quickest cure.  Working out with a proper diet has caused the longest lasting and most prominent cure for depression


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Re: Depression: What Has (and Hasn't) Worked for You? [Re: The Doobie Dude] * 2
    #21823368 - 06/18/15 12:17 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I get slammed with depression in about 5 year cycles I've found.

What helps me is self-discovery. Recognizing the changes that have occured in my life, the good, the bad the new.  Looking at everything with new eyes, and moving forward.

A good healthy diet, which is hard when I'm depressed because all I want to do is hide from the world and eat Cheetos.  Exercise, which is also hard because leaving my apartment is a challenge some days. 

THERAPY.  I don't go regularly, but when my therapist gets a call, she knows I need help and I need it bad.  The older I get, the better I get at recognizing when I need help before shit starts getting out of hand.

I smoke a lot of weed, and my therapist says I use it as an escape mechanism. That may be true, but if everyone is allowed to have one vice, that's mine.

I guess making a conscious effort to make healthy choices and knowing that despite feeling like a bag of smashed assholes...I WANT to get better, do better...and be better.


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Re: Depression: What Has (and Hasn't) Worked for You? [Re: CherryBom]
    #21824627 - 06/18/15 05:26 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Ummmmm mmmmushrooms.


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Re: Depression: What Has (and Hasn't) Worked for You? [Re: janedownthelane]
    #21825394 - 06/18/15 08:32 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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janedownthelane said:
Having something meaningful to look forward to gets me through most of my bad days.

Staying healthy helps because it gives you real pride

Being proud of my actions helps

Doing stupid things for short term satisfaction is what brings me back down.
Always go for what will make you happy/proud in the long term.




All of these things help me until I start to feel lonely.
Everything spirals downward from there, but I recently quit smoking bud, so I can actually remember all of the little good things that I usually forget about (with weed, I only remember what causes the strongest emotions).
I'm trying to do things that make me proud.
Next step is to start running again.
Those endorphins are like free drugs :wink:


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Re: Depression: What Has (and Hasn't) Worked for You? [Re: space walk]
    #21827398 - 06/19/15 09:48 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Fulfill yourself. Period. Who cares that whoever thinks what ever, most people are stinks now-a-days anyway. Do what you want, don't let anyone slow you down. You find it fun but no one else does, you don't need them. You will find people, and you will find luck when you are one with your self. Depreciate the degradation and limitation you pose on yourself. If your not doing well, you are lacking. If you are stressed you should stop. If people stress you out you should not be around them.

Everything is logical and simple, but takes time and effort to exert. Think about the saying “we are not humans having a spiritual experience, we are spirits having a human experience”(Pierre Teilhard de Chardin). If we came to this planet to party, than it should not matter if you get dealt crappy cards, most of us do; we may as well dance while we are here...right? I mean, what else is there to do – really?


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Re: Depression: What Has (and Hasn't) Worked for You? [Re: Nedly]
    #21827937 - 06/19/15 12:14 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Clozapine did wonders for me. It helped both my schizophrenia, anxiety and depression. Obviously, anti-psychotics should not be used if you don't have a serious, severe mental disorder but I thought I might as well add to this thread, just incase someone someone else is going through schizophrenia... there IS eventually an end to your suffering!


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Re: Depression: What Has (and Hasn't) Worked for You? [Re: GettinPsilly]
    #21829271 - 06/19/15 06:24 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

the realization that a lack of happiness isn't necessarily depression, has helped me immensely. also, that those overly always super fucking happy people... may be the ones with the real disorder. and when i start getting too down on myself, i try to remember to remind myself that someday, im going to die. the seemingly temporary nature of this shit show we call life brings me a great deal of peace.

ive found more often than not, its just a perspective thing.  adjust accordingly.


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Re: Depression: What Has (and Hasn't) Worked for You? [Re: wrestler_az] * 1
    #21841318 - 06/22/15 11:11 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

getting out of bed


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Re: Depression: What Has (and Hasn't) Worked for You? [Re: Konyap]
    #21844751 - 06/23/15 05:08 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

A heroic dose of shrooms, an experience of ego death, deeper introspective capabilities, increased emotional intelligence/awareness and discovering interests.

A big help has been becoming more aware of my emotions by writing down how I feel when I'm down/anxious and thinking about 'WHY' I feel this way. It usually helps me to realise that I create my own anxiety and that if I don't want to feel this way then I shouldn't think this way.

Cognitive behavioral therapy has been the most beneficial as it has actually changed the way in which I react to my emotions.
The thing is that we can't always change how we feel, what we can do is change how we react to those feelings and that happens by becoming self aware.

Experiencing ego death from a heavy shroom dose was what I believe the catalyst to my growth in self awareness.
Meditation aims to experience ego death, shrooms do it.


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Re: Depression: What Has (and Hasn't) Worked for You? [Re: sudly]
    #21844777 - 06/23/15 05:26 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Hasn't worked:
Cognitive behavioural therapy

Seems to work a little:
Haptonomy


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Re: Depression: What Has (and Hasn't) Worked for You? [Re: GoldenEye]
    #21844837 - 06/23/15 06:04 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

When I can actually stick with it I found exercise and eating healthy is the best cure. But I get lazy and fall back into my benzo alcohol cycle. I need to start working out again :rolleyes:


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Re: Depression: What Has (and Hasn't) Worked for You? [Re: GettinPsilly]
    #21845286 - 06/23/15 09:39 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Depression is the best thing that ever happened to me.  It's a gift, and it makes me a unique, driven and purposeful human being.  As soon as I developed high level goals in life, I started getting depressed.  I've been fighting a war ever since in explosive style.


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Re: Depression: What Has (and Hasn't) Worked for You? [Re: Jufin]
    #21846615 - 06/23/15 04:11 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

DAMN SON! That is exactly the words that I've been looking to spew out of my mouth. I'm only depressed when I want more.

If my goals for the week/month involve enjoying time with family and getting bills paid, I'm as happy as happy can be.

But when I crave the otherness of being something more then the regulars, that's when I see the long road ahead of me. That's when the misery starts. Time to bathe in it I guess.


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Re: Depression: What Has (and Hasn't) Worked for You? [Re: MoxyOx]
    #21846703 - 06/23/15 04:39 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

That's cool.  Although in my case, I fully intend to reach my goals, and depression helps me get there.


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Re: Depression: What Has (and Hasn't) Worked for You? [Re: Jufin]
    #21846755 - 06/23/15 04:58 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Are y'all talking about clinical depression? Or just about feeling a bit unfulfilled?


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Re: Depression: What Has (and Hasn't) Worked for You? [Re: GoldenEye]
    #21846812 - 06/23/15 05:17 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I think most depressed people suffer from motivation and lack of energy, dissapointment.

I really think physiological depression and day to day depression are two entirely different thing

for one from day to day it'd most likely be with re-occuring thought patterns, while the later may be to just return to your seat and shut up.


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Re: Depression: What Has (and Hasn't) Worked for You? [Re: GoldenEye]
    #21846816 - 06/23/15 05:18 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

What do you mean clinical?  A doctor's stamp of approval?  I'm talking about something that for over ten years has seriously made me consider if I want to keep living or not.


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Re: Depression: What Has (and Hasn't) Worked for You? [Re: Jufin] * 1
    #21846825 - 06/23/15 05:19 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I honestly can't tell if you are trolling?


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Re: Depression: What Has (and Hasn't) Worked for You? [Re: The Doobie Dude]
    #21846881 - 06/23/15 05:33 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Jufin said:
What do you mean clinical?  A doctor's stamp of approval?  I'm talking about something that for over ten years has seriously made me consider if I want to keep living or not.




That works. With some of the responses I get the impression that people are just talking about the occasional blues. Exercise and healthy food, I mean, really? I play basketball 5 times a week and eat the best food around. It doesn't relieve anything. I'm sure I'd feel worse if I didn't do it but in the end it's what was mentioned earlier... Day to day recurring thought patterns that aren't doing me any good.


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Re: Depression: What Has (and Hasn't) Worked for You? [Re: The Doobie Dude]
    #21846983 - 06/23/15 06:01 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Exercise and healthy food do a shitload of good.  Depends on your body type too.  My body type needs regular exercise to keep the testosterone flowing.  Also, less sleep is better than more sleep.


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Re: Depression: What Has (and Hasn't) Worked for You? [Re: Zombi3]
    #21847005 - 06/23/15 06:07 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Zombi3 said:
More excercise plus less drugs plus piracetam and noopept.

Mssively helped my social anxiety, daily depression, and ptsd.

Piracetam is a boss compound, I love it.





What Noopept dosage you on man? I bought some caps recently and have been taking one cap (10mg) each morning for about 2 weeks.
Fucked with piracetam prior to noopept but didn't feel any effects whatsoever.


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Re: Depression: What Has (and Hasn't) Worked for You? [Re: The Doobie Dude]
    #21847022 - 06/23/15 06:11 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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The Doobie Dude said:
I honestly can't tell if you are trolling?



I'm not trolling.


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Re: Depression: What Has (and Hasn't) Worked for You? [Re: Jufin]
    #21847220 - 06/23/15 07:04 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I've dealt with anxiety and subsequent depression on and off for a majority of my life.

Got prescribed Lexapro but tapered myself off about 6 months in after doing my own research on SSRI's. Honestly feel like that shit did me some permanent damage.

Things that I've found worked for me:
  • Bodybuilding and a healthy diet are absolutely top of my list. Pushing yourself to the point of failure and seeing your body transform before your eyes. Our bodies are designed to be put under physical stress, leading a sedentary lifestyle is not natural so it makes sense that doing so will lead to feeling like shit, both physically and mentally. Extra attention from the ladies is also a plus and does wonders for your self confidence. Girls obviously notice physical changes, but they also pick up on a hormonal level, and seem to be able to sense the extra testosterone your body is producing. I'd always heard exercise was the best cure for depression but was always skeptical. I'm now 4 years in and absolutely convinced that it's true. If I'm ever feeling down, anxious, depressed, upset, I head straight to the gym, pump some viking metal, get those endogenous feel good chemicals pumping and lift some heavy shit til I'm ready to collapse. Walking out of the gym, every other aspect of life just seems easier.

  • Learning. Reading, watching documentaries, learning new skills. Just as important as physical exercise is exercising your brain. Our world is a fascinating place and I love learning new shit I didn't know about.

  • Supplements. I've experimented with tons of supps to find what works best for me. I currently take L-Theanine for mood enhancement, Vitamin D3, also shown to have effects on depression, particularly helpful if you work indoors and can't get much natural light. Krill Oil, lots of benefits. Noopept, for cognitive enhancement. I also take Valerian Root & Melatonin for relaxation in the evenings.

  • Psychedelics. (We all know the benefits here)

  • Taking on the "Yes Man" mentality. Forcing myself to do shit. If a friend asks me to go somewhere or do something, I always try to do it. You never know what kind of crazy adventure you might end up on.

  • Finally, Podcasts. The Joe Rogan experience in particular. Changed my way of thinking on a lot of things and opened the door to a world of new hobbies and interests I never knew I had. Listening to in depth conversations with scientists, philosophers and experts from a variety of fields made me realize that our world, our universe and our existence truly is mysterious and magical, and that life is a gift and something to be treasured.


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Re: Depression: What Has (and Hasn't) Worked for You? [Re: jsncrs]
    #21847233 - 06/23/15 07:07 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Good post.


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Re: Depression: What Has (and Hasn't) Worked for You? [Re: Jufin]
    #21847579 - 06/23/15 08:16 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

The point of goals is to reach them. It's the acknowledgement of all the work you need to do, at least that's the similar ground we stood on? I intend to reach mine too. MMA, singing/guitar, career advancement, solidifying and expanding my friend circle.


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Re: Depression: What Has (and Hasn't) Worked for You? [Re: MoxyOx]
    #21847616 - 06/23/15 08:24 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I think I have an insightful question, as I know I'm guilty of it, too...

There are a lot of suggestions for doing things to completion on here, and I love starting something and hate finishing it..
How many of you love to start projects (and the like), but seem to have a hard time finishing them?
You may choose only one


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Re: Depression: What Has (and Hasn't) Worked for You? [Re: space walk]
    #21847630 - 06/23/15 08:27 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I feel like a lot of the things we do to alleviate our depression is actually a way to go a little bit longer without dealing with it.
It's good to note here, that taking a break from what drives us sad can be the equivalent of taking a foothold in life. It's hard to get that foothold after you've been down for a long time.

Maybe there are deeper ways to help us feel better, other than adding new activities to our everyday routines.


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Re: Depression: What Has (and Hasn't) Worked for You? [Re: space walk]
    #21847640 - 06/23/15 08:29 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Sometimes...sometimes it's just a good idea to feel sad. You can't be happy all the time, we all go through fluctuations. We are not machines that have a steady rhythm, we go through cycles.


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Re: Depression: What Has (and Hasn't) Worked for You? [Re: space walk]
    #21847661 - 06/23/15 08:32 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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I feel like a lot of the things we do to alleviate our depression is actually a way to go a little bit longer without dealing with it.
It's good to note here, that taking a break from what drives us sad can be the equivalent of taking a foothold in life. It's hard to get that foothold after you've been down for a long time.

Maybe there are deeper ways to help us feel better, other than adding new activities to our everyday routines.



At the same time, the more you think about it, the more it's there.  So by doing things that alleviate it, you're stopping it.  So it's a paradox.  But also, if you are in denial about something, or you need to deal with something in particular that you haven't, then this must be taken care of, acknowledged, and acted upon.


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Re: Depression: What Has (and Hasn't) Worked for You? [Re: Jufin]
    #21847704 - 06/23/15 08:40 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Good point, Jufin.
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Re: Depression: What Has (and Hasn't) Worked for You? [Re: space walk]
    #21858137 - 06/26/15 12:25 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

What helped me was defining what depression really was and what it meant to me.

Depression really just means less options, you are depressed.  Locked into a pattern of thought with minimal options to get out of it.  When I started analyzing what caused my depression, I traced it back to my back injury that makes things now very difficult to do. 

What I am getting to was, I had a "Sudden Change in Perspective, or SCV".  I convinced myself that it was not only I, but what seemed like almost all other depressed people had in common.  We all had a SCV that we are having problems coping with.  It could of been a childhood trauma that shifted it, or something like a injury like what happened to me.

Recognizing this and realizing that the one who you called yourself is dead and it is time to be reborn into a new person.  The more you cling onto your previous reality, the more depressed you become.  Not overcoming these SCV's over long periods of time, or even the sudden ones will render you depressed.

What helped the most for me was using LSD and psilocybin to allow my brain to adopt a new change in perspective more easily, almost like a reset switch.  It works, and it works well.  I suppose you can do this by yourself if can make use of my method.  I understand it is not every bodies route, but it might help for some.

The illusion of a single path for everybody is just that.. An illusion.  Nobody knows, we only have ideas.  Start studying the brain and learning what depression is and experiment with flotation tanks and meditation.


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