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OfflineBitter Cactus
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FDA import alert kratom
    #21820345 - 06/17/15 07:13 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Import Alert 54-15
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(Note: This import alert represents the Agency's current guidance to FDA field personnel regarding the manufacturer(s) and/or products(s) at issue. It does not create or confer any rights for or on any person, and does not operate to bind FDA or the public).

Import Alert # 54-15
Published Date: 06/09/2015
Type: DWPE
Import Alert Name:
DETENTION WITHOUT PHYSICAL EXAMINATION OF DIETARY SUPPLEMENTS AND BULK DIETARY INGREDIENTS THAT ARE OR CONTAIN MITRAGYNA SPECIOSA OR KRATOM

Reason for Alert:
FDA has seen an increase in the number of shipments of dietary supplements and bulk dietary ingredients that are, or contain kratom, also known as Mitragyna speciosa, mitragynine extract, biak-biak, cratom, gratom, ithang, kakuam, katawn, kedemba, ketum, krathom, krton, mambog, madat, Maeng da leaf, nauclea, Nauclea speciosa, or thang. These shipments of kratom have come in a variety of forms, including capsules, whole leaves, processed leaves, leaf resins, leaf extracts, powdered leaves, and bulk liquids made of leaf extracts. Importers� websites have sometimes contained information about how their products are used.



Kratom is a botanical that qualifies as a dietary ingredient under section 201(ff)(1) of the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act (the Act) [21 U.S.C. 321(ff)(1)]. When marketed as a dietary ingredient, FDA also considers kratom to be a new dietary ingredient under section 413(d) of the Act [21 U.S.C. 350b(d)] because, to the best of the agency�s knowledge, there is no information demonstrating that this substance was marketed as a dietary ingredient in the United States before October 15, 1994.



Furthermore, based on FDA�s review of the publicly available information regarding kratom, there does not appear to be a history of use or other evidence of safety establishing that kratom will reasonably be expected to be safe as a dietary ingredient. In fact, the scientific literature disclosed serious concerns regarding the toxicity of kratom in multiple organ systems. Consumption of kratom can lead to a number of health impacts, including respiratory depression, nervousness, agitation, aggression, sleeplessness, hallucinations, delusions, tremors, loss of libido, constipation, skin hyperpigmentation, nausea, vomiting, and severe withdrawal signs and symptoms. In the absence of a history of use or other evidence of safety establishing that kratom will reasonably be expected to be safe as a dietary ingredient, kratom and kratom-containing dietary supplements and bulk dietary ingredients are adulterated under section 402(f)(1)(B) of the Act [21 U.S.C. 342(f)(1)(B)], because they contain a new dietary ingredient for which there is inadequate information to provide reasonable assurance that such ingredient does not present a significant or unreasonable risk of illness or injury.

Guidance:
Districts may detain, without physical examination, the specified products from the firms identified in the RED LIST of this alert. The specified dietary supplements and bulk dietary ingredients from the firms listed on the RED LIST of this Import Alert have been found to contain kratom.



When detained products appear to be dietary supplements or bulk dietary ingredients as discussed in this alert and are not currently listed on the RED LIST of this alert, Districts should forward appropriate evidence/documentation as a "Center Review Detention" case via CMS to CFSAN/OC/DE/LDSCT team. Based on the Center�s evaluation, a CMS case for addition to the RED LIST of this alert may be forwarded to DIO/IOMB team by the District�s Compliance Branch.



Districts should be on alert to the possibility that the labeling, marketing, and/or promotion of kratom and kratom-containing products may indicate that such products appear to be unapproved and/or misbranded drugs. For such products, Import Alert 66-41 may be applicable.



For questions or issues involving import operations, contact DIO�s Import Operations and Maintenance Branch at (301) 796-0356.



For questions or issues involving OASIS or PREDICT screening, contact DCS�s Import Compliance Systems Branch at ORAHQOEIODCSIMPCOMPLSYSBR@fda.hhs.gov



For questions or issues concerning preparation of samples for analysis or analytical methodology, contact ORA�s Office of Regulatory Science at 301-796-6600.



For questions on policy, sample collection recommendations, or other any addition questions, contact CFSAN/Division of Enforcement�s Labeling and Dietary Supplement Compliance Team (HFS-608) at CFSANEnforcement@fda.hhs.gov

Product Description:
Kratom (aka Mitragyna speciosa, mitragynine extract, biak-biak, cratom, gratom, ithang, kakuam, katawn, kedemba, ketum, krathom, krton, mambog, madat, Maeng da leaf, nauclea, Nauclea speciosa, or thang)

Charge:
"The article is subject to refusal of admission pursuant to section 801(a)(3) in that it appears to be a dietary supplement or contains a dietary ingredient that is a new dietary ingredient for which there is inadequate information to provide reasonable assurance that such ingredient does not present a significant or unreasonable risk of illness or injury. [Adulteration, Section 402(f)(1)(B)]."




I think this deserves it's own thread. What do you guys think?


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Re: FDA import alert kratom [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #21820367 - 06/17/15 07:19 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

:feelssadman:


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Re: FDA import alert kratom [Re: pslyke]
    #21820682 - 06/17/15 08:25 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

The devil speaks..


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Re: FDA import alert kratom [Re: Amanita86]
    #21820714 - 06/17/15 08:32 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I always find it funny how people get so anti christian and seperation of church and state.  They always talk shit about churches asking for money....but default fall into government agendas who "take" your money...freedoms..etc..  spin information.. believe what they see in movies... 

Better study history, this is old news..  but who's going to do anything?  "Come and play come and play, forget about the movement.."

Same old story..


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Re: FDA import alert kratom [Re: Amanita86]
    #21820734 - 06/17/15 08:35 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: FDA import alert kratom [Re: Amanita86]
    #21820741 - 06/17/15 08:37 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Isn't this old news, I remember something like this happening awhile back.


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Re: FDA import alert kratom [Re: FreeTheSoul]
    #21820745 - 06/17/15 08:38 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Yea..:awesomenod:


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Re: FDA import alert kratom [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #21820753 - 06/17/15 08:39 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I still think its only a matter of time. If it happened to JHW-18 It will happen to Kratom


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Re: FDA import alert kratom [Re: Almond Flour]
    #21820757 - 06/17/15 08:40 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Just bought a key :awehigh:


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Re: FDA import alert kratom [Re: Amanita86]
    #21820765 - 06/17/15 08:41 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Biak-biak, cratom, gratom, ithang, kakuam, katawn, kedemba, ketum, krathom, krton, mambog, madat, Maeng da leaf, nauclea, Nauclea speciosa, or thang.

All in alphabetical order.


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Re: FDA import alert kratom [Re: Almond Flour]
    #21820768 - 06/17/15 08:42 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

It'll happen to anything that shows up..salvia, you name it.  This new UK law proves it..  get used to cuffs..learn how veal lives.. get used to it..


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Re: FDA import alert kratom [Re: Rebelutionsssss]
    #21820775 - 06/17/15 08:44 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Rebelutionsssss said:
Just bought a key :awehigh:



It wont last long, where will you be when its gone?


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Re: FDA import alert kratom [Re: Rebelutionsssss]
    #21820780 - 06/17/15 08:46 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

The stuff I get isn't sold as food or drugs. I hope they don't make it illegal.


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Re: FDA import alert kratom [Re: Detached]
    #21820786 - 06/17/15 08:46 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

So WTF, is it now illegal or something, or you are going to be under investigation or something for buying it, WTF.


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Re: FDA import alert kratom [Re: Amanita86]
    #21820789 - 06/17/15 08:47 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Amanita86 said:
Quote:

Rebelutionsssss said:
Just bought a key :awehigh:



It wont last long, where will you be when its gone?



I see what you're getting at :strokebeard:


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Re: FDA import alert kratom [Re: Detached] * 1
    #21820792 - 06/17/15 08:47 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Yep it's bound to be done for any second now, oh no a plant that helps people let's ban it :thumbup:


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Re: FDA import alert kratom [Re: mysticalmagickal] * 1
    #21820800 - 06/17/15 08:50 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Wtf this shits like coffee. :shrug:


Edited by Mental Taco (06/17/15 08:51 PM)


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Re: FDA import alert kratom [Re: mysticalmagickal]
    #21820804 - 06/17/15 08:50 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

It basically means when a vendor sends it through customs they can seize it.


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Re: FDA import alert kratom [Re: FreeTheSoul] * 1
    #21820814 - 06/17/15 08:53 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Ordered 5 kilos in case, I mean you never know today. It's such a beneficial plant for so many reasons if used correctly (and has different effects on different types). Down to a kilo or less anyway. I'd rather have a lot for 10 or more years than none for nothing.


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Re: FDA import alert kratom [Re: mysticalmagickal]
    #21820817 - 06/17/15 08:54 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

mysticalmagickal said:
Yep it's bound to be done for any second now, oh no a plant that helps people let's ban it :thumbup:



They had another import alert along time ago. The DEA has had kratom on its watch list since I believe 2004.


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Re: FDA import alert kratom [Re: mysticalmagickal]
    #21820823 - 06/17/15 08:55 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

mysticalmagickal said:
Yep it's bound to be done for any second now, oh no a plant that helps people let's ban it :thumbup:



I knew this the second I heard it.  Same way they did salvia...they bring it up expecting to get shot down...and then move one step closer etc..eventually they just ban it and who can argue?  Its complete sheep herding mentality...  as soon as some faceless article pops up saying its banned everyone here will just accept it as fact... you cant question the shit, you'll never get a call back or an answer... it just "becomes" fact..


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Re: FDA import alert kratom [Re: FreeTheSoul]
    #21820841 - 06/17/15 08:58 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I think you guys aren't realizing if the government really wanted it gone it would be gone. I know for a fact at least one state tried making it illegal but they didn't go through with it because of all the support people gave to keep it legal. It is illegal in a few states currently though.


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Re: FDA import alert kratom [Re: Amanita86]
    #21820848 - 06/17/15 08:58 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

.....and then they threaten your livelyhood with it.  I hope you love your government.


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Re: FDA import alert kratom [Re: FreeTheSoul]
    #21820855 - 06/17/15 09:00 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

FreeTheSoul said:
I think you guys aren't realizing if the government really wanted it gone it would be gone. I know for a fact at least one state tried making it illegal but they didn't go through with it because of all the support people gave to keep it legal. It is illegal in a few states currently though.



Dont for a second fall for that shit..thats the plan...you cant upset the herd you have to gradually manipulate it..


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Re: FDA import alert kratom [Re: Amanita86]
    #21820856 - 06/17/15 09:00 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Salvia is still legal.


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Re: FDA import alert kratom [Re: Amanita86]
    #21820862 - 06/17/15 09:01 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

You cant shock it, that would cause rebellion, you have to gradually make it accept and give up..


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Re: FDA import alert kratom [Re: FreeTheSoul]
    #21820864 - 06/17/15 09:01 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah which is not a good sign. Remember what happened to poppy pods? That got shut down so fast. The big Texas vendor was the first to go and they even got a florist, I mean come on. I'd seriously say stock up now, I still have salvia since I was 18 and that was 14 years ago. Even some nice dried torch in a closet somewhere. 5 kilos of red vein borneo now is a lot cheaper than it will be this time next year, I've seen other vendors skyrocket.


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Re: FDA import alert kratom [Re: lowbrow]
    #21820865 - 06/17/15 09:01 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Amanita86 said:
.....and then they threaten your livelyhood with it.  I hope you love your government.



They arent threatening your livelyhood. An import alert does not make it illegal. It just gives customs the right to seize the package.
Quote:

lowbrow said:
Salvia is still legal.



Not in a lot of states.


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Re: FDA import alert kratom [Re: lowbrow]
    #21820867 - 06/17/15 09:02 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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lowbrow said:
Salvia is still legal.



Not here.. and not in a lot of places..  weed is "legal" but not here, and not in a lot of places.


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Re: FDA import alert kratom [Re: FreeTheSoul]
    #21820879 - 06/17/15 09:04 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

FreeTheSoul said:
They arent threatening your livelyhood. An import alert does not make it illegal. It just gives customs the right to seize the package.



Thats how it starts..


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Re: FDA import alert kratom [Re: Amanita86]
    #21821270 - 06/17/15 10:45 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I read somewhere that the problem is that some vendors are putting dosages on the packages and making it obvious it was for human use. If you are a vendor you need to say it is a soap cleaner or for aromatherapy or whatever and say not for human consumption.

I think it might fall under some dietary supplement thing in which they might not be able to regulate quite as much as a research chemical.

Again this could be completely wrong.

If this is only a ban on it slipping through American customs I doubt it would stop someone like me from Canada getting some shipped from Indonesia. Time will tell but if it ever becomes banned or impossible to import I will order a lifetime supply.


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Re: FDA import alert kratom [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #21823154 - 06/18/15 11:03 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

fucking crazy
so many people are giving themselves heart attacks in 30/40 years, lung cancer, ass cancer etc.

but kratom causes respiratory depression? hallucinations?
these people should be fired or thrown into a collective ditch...


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Re: FDA import alert kratom [Re: Konyap]
    #21823623 - 06/18/15 01:24 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I don't blame the FDA in a way. To them kratom is basically the same as bath salts and they see no difference.


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Re: FDA import alert kratom [Re: Almond Flour]
    #21823689 - 06/18/15 01:43 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Almond Flour said:
I still think its only a matter of time. If it happened to JHW-18 It will happen to Kratom



Not really the same thing since Kratom is a leaf and JWH a synthetic chemical created as an analogue to an already illegal substance. Your right though in the sense that it's only a matter of time.


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Re: FDA import alert kratom [Re: Magicman69]
    #21823719 - 06/18/15 01:50 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

We should not take this lying down IMO
They have no studies that say kratom is dangerous and yet it's specifically stated in the memo.
The compound itself isn't addicting, and it doesn't cause respiratory depression, the chemistry tells you.


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Furthermore, based on FDA�s review of the publicly available information regarding kratom, there does not appear to be a history of use or other evidence of safety establishing that kratom will reasonably be expected to be safe as a dietary ingredient.




it's been used for thousands of years. this is what they did with coca and poppies before they became first world exit plans...

it's almost as bad as saying medical weed doesn't help people
to them it's probably a easy way to monopolize molecules


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Re: FDA import alert kratom [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #21823741 - 06/18/15 01:53 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Bitter Cactus said:
I don't blame the FDA in a way. To them kratom is basically the same as bath salts and they see no difference.



As a drug regulation administration, their job is to see the difference between safe and unsafe drugs. I think it's safe to say that they're responsible for some of the blame here.


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Tragic.  I told the cop not to do it but he didn't listen.


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Re: FDA import alert kratom [Re: hex_enduction]
    #21823774 - 06/18/15 02:01 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I've dealt with this in college
basically the people that are supposed to advise and warn
become the heads of the science department overnight
because they have a degree in communication
which is really just behavior based bullshit
and shoe stringing the members of the community
changing the rules, changing who they want permision from
on a day to day basis depending on who you talk to

they're daft
thinking about them makes me want to punch them in the face
and I've done fairly well dealing with them... but to make me walk back and forth like that
because you can't hold on to your line of bullshit for more then a week/semester

and it's like that everywhere, you get double billed for something?
Fuck you, the people that deal with humans here deal with another set of humans over there and they...:facepalm:
FML


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Re: FDA import alert kratom [Re: Konyap]
    #21824221 - 06/18/15 03:50 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

The problem is headshops selling this stuff in extracts and capsules and fancy packages.

No way in hell the DEA and FDA is gonna let this go unnoticed.


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Re: FDA import alert kratom [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #21824271 - 06/18/15 04:03 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Extracts can't be sold to people..


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Re: FDA import alert kratom [Re: Konyap]
    #21824305 - 06/18/15 04:09 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

:awesketch:  you sure?


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Re: FDA import alert kratom [Re: Konyap]
    #21824367 - 06/18/15 04:21 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Illyabo said:
Extracts can't be sold to people..




They can only be sold to crab people.


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Re: FDA import alert kratom [Re: Konyap]
    #21824498 - 06/18/15 04:51 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

What, my vendor sells all kinds of extracts , 10x's-25x's extract, but TBH, I get off better on the leaf, does not make since,since it is suppose to be 25x's stronger then the leaf, but its not, marketing ploy, plus it cost way more.

I have tried extracts from many vendors, and none owned up to the hype, I like straight maeng da


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Re: FDA import alert kratom [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #21824756 - 06/18/15 05:48 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Wait, can Kratom really cause hallucinations?

No wayz....


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Re: FDA import alert kratom [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #21824780 - 06/18/15 05:54 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I sure the fuck have never happened to me, and when I eat kratom, I eat a half ounce of maeng da at a time, cause of my very high opiate tolerance, from using oxycodone ir,  prescribed by my doc


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Re: FDA import alert kratom [Re: Imperfect Iam]
    #21824993 - 06/18/15 06:41 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Kratom causes hallucinations. Confirmed by the FDA lol


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Re: FDA import alert kratom [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #21826021 - 06/18/15 10:57 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

We must work for years to get other people high for ten to two hours.

Getting high from plants is wrong.

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Re: FDA import alert kratom [Re: Konyap]
    #21826055 - 06/18/15 11:05 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I just got some in yesterday. We can't let this happen..the only reason the FDA is doing this is because of the amount of money that is being lost from pills. They're in cahoots with the pharmaceutical companies. This is an outrage!


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Re: FDA import alert kratom [Re: LiquidVisions]
    #21826066 - 06/18/15 11:08 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

They did this last year I believe. They do it with alot of products, like cosmetics etc. Also all the people who are saying DEA is making kratom illegal should realize kratom has been on their watch list since I believe 2004. I know that when the DEA wants something banned it usually happens pretty damn fast.


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Re: FDA import alert kratom [Re: LiquidVisions]
    #21826068 - 06/18/15 11:08 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Not really they promote themselves based on how many people they call a 'faggot'

so say you're an employee there and you find a bunch of faggots
then you can rat on the faggots and get promoted
now what we have here is a global faggot alert
which means they do anything in the power
banning extract would be good but to make an impression
like you're the big mean bitch, you have to ban regular kratom
as well so your job is already finished and you don't have to come back later


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Re: FDA import alert kratom [Re: Konyap]
    #23633134 - 09/10/16 05:02 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

If the government wanted it to be gone it would be gone? N people calling me stupid on here.. good thang I signed the petition fer not listing it as a schedule 1 this month...


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